Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[sirsmokesalot]

Everyone threatens legal action...  but will anyone actually do it?

With  $25K on the line!  YES !!!  I've made it very clear to them that this end of month promise is their last chance as far as I'm concerned.

I got the standard, pinch of salt reply as usual.

I don't know if it would help or hurt, but perhaps opening the lawsuit up to being some type of class action suit. Wouldn't lawyers like this? The more they recoup the more they get? I know a lot of people who have been burned would more likely than not jump on board, if someone is willing to take the case perhaps it could sweeten the pot for them that much more.

Even the merchandise they have shipped seems to be sub par at best and missing things that were supposed to be included when originally ordered i.e lcd screens.

[notindexed]

What "reported" temperatures are other people getting? the 40C/60C temps sound quite falsified..

Update: I just stopped the FAN for a couple of minutes and the temperature reported did not change so I am quite 100% the temperatures are just made up. Any comment BlackArrow?

What i been thinking.

Idk maybe time to start a new topic moderated by us, their backers, to unite and get the legal action train started.

This topic here is a joke, as ppl get censored and it contains 50% of irrelevant reseller crap.
It's the early BA direct customers that get fucked.

[whisper]

If someone wants to sue the director.

Mr Alexandru Ion Sovu
24 Branksome Court
Prospect Street, Reading
RGI 7XR
Berskshire, UK


He is Romanian, living in UK
His email address is alex27a@gmail.com

All info can be found in the link below
http://www.kiwi.nz/blackarrow/PS300015776549_01.pdf
http://www.kiwi.nz/blackarrow/

Is that address are real? Will send someone there to check if he is there! Thanks

[notbatman]

Bitcoin Difficulty:   18,736,441,558
Estimated Next Difficulty:   19,955,438,046 (+6.51%)
Adjust time:   After 1945 Blocks, About 13.8 days
Hashrate(?):   130,461,989 GH/s

[BitCoin Operated Boy]

My reply providing Black Arrow's and director's detailed information was reported and removed.
Obviously someone from Black Arrow has been watching the forum.

I am happy to provide this information to anyone. PLEASE MESSAGE me if you need it :-)

[Pentax]

My reply providing Black Arrow's and director's detailed information was reported and removed.
Obviously someone from Black Arrow has been watching the forum.

I am happy to provide this information to anyone. PLEASE MESSAGE me if you need it :-)

they delete posts all the time, especially those dealing with means of filing consumer complaints or the director. 

all of this is public information, however, and readily available on the internet so it's not like anyone is divulging a secret.  I've put most of it here where they cannot delete it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681965.msg7750727#msg7750727

those that haven't filed complaints should do so.  If anyone thinks that BA is going to voluntarily hand over their refunds I think they might not have been watching all of this too closely.  If that does not get it done, the lawyers are next.  For those wondering 'will anyone actually do it'.  Yes, those actions have been set in motion already.  I only want the refund I was promised months ago and would rather not have to go through all of this, but I most certainly will.  I'm not simply walking away from thousands of dollars.  Why anyone would I have no idea, but everyone's decision is their own. 

The company is registered in Hong Kong, so the proper agency from what I have been able to find out so far is the Hong Kong Consumer Council.

They request some documents and need to establish that this is a Hong Kong registered company  before they will agree to pick it up, therefore:

Send the annual report http://www.kiwi.nz/blackarrow/PS300015776549_01.pdf

along with the documents they have requested.  Those documents are:

1.  The invoice showing you paid
2   your bank or payment records showing the payment
3.  any e-mail or support discussions  you've had
4.  The annual report referenced above.

Here's the link to file a complaint.

https://www.consumer.org.hk/cc-complaint/index.php?lang=en

Also indicate that their TOS indicates Hong Kong law and paste that in to your message.

http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/terms-and-conditions-en.html#purchase

15.2 Applicable law and dispute resolution
16.2 1 This Agreement shall be interpreted and applied in accordance with the law of Hong Kong S.A.R. of PRC.

This is all the information they will need to pick this up.  They have been very helpful and responsive.  If that goes nowhere, Shenzhen Consumer Group, with which I have also been talking and then the lawyers will be next.

[goozman96]

My reply providing Black Arrow's and director's detailed information was reported and removed.
Obviously someone from Black Arrow has been watching the forum.

I am happy to provide this information to anyone. PLEASE MESSAGE me if you need it :-)

Don't worry. I've already posted it all in blackarrow's trust feedback. I encourage you to do the same. He cannot have it deleted.

[Pentax]

well gee, they deleted my post outlining how to properly file a complaint.  I am shocked to the core.  it's almost like they'd rather not have people know their actual rights or options or something.  

I've posted it here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681965.msg8036024#msg8036024

where the these, wacky and whimsical moderators cannot delete it.

people should be climbing all over these people at this point.  people have been waiting 6 months in some cases for refunds and are getting nothing but a seemingly endless stream of excuses.  we're told they have no time to deal with refunds but they seemingly have time to be moderating this thread and their forum.

exercise your rights if you want your money back, folks.

[Pentax]

well gee, they deleted my post outlining how to properly file a complaint.  I am shocked to the core.  it's almost like they'd rather not have people know their actual rights or options or something. 

I've posted it here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681965.msg8036024#msg8036024

where the these, wacky and whimsical moderators cannot delete it.

people should be climbing all over these people at this point.  people have been waiting 6 months in some cases for refunds and are getting nothing but a seemingly endless stream of excuses.  we're told they have no time to deal with refunds but they seemingly have time to be moderating this thread and their forum.

exercise your rights if you want your money back, folks.

[goozman96]

well gee, they deleted my post outlining how to properly file a complaint.  I am shocked to the core.  it's almost like they'd rather not have people know their actual rights or options or something. 

I've posted it here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681965.msg8036024#msg8036024

where the these, wacky and whimsical moderators cannot delete it.

people should be climbing all over these people at this point.  people have been waiting 6 months in some cases for refunds and are getting nothing but a seemingly endless stream of excuses.  we're told they have no time to deal with refunds but they seemingly have time to be moderating this thread and their forum.

exercise your rights if you want your money back, folks.

Everyone should read blackarrow's trust feedback. *deleted by Blackarrow in 3...2....1........*

[Dot99lr]

well gee, they deleted my post outlining how to properly file a complaint.  I am shocked to the core.  it's almost like they'd rather not have people know their actual rights or options or something. 

I've posted it here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681965.msg8036024#msg8036024

where the these, wacky and whimsical moderators cannot delete it.

people should be climbing all over these people at this point.  people have been waiting 6 months in some cases for refunds and are getting nothing but a seemingly endless stream of excuses.  we're told they have no time to deal with refunds but they seemingly have time to be moderating this thread and their forum.

exercise your rights if you want your money back, folks.

That's what BA has done well over the past 6-8 months, moderate the topic! Chinese universities  must be pumping out Forum Moderaters but managers and accountants are no where to be found!

[goozman96]

I would like to see someone take legal action against these toddler engineers and management at black arrow. Perhaps that guy who is out 25k? Keep us posted!

[goozman96]

I will keep posting. Keep deleting me. We'll see who gets tired first.
I would like to see someone take legal action against these toddler engineers and management at black arrow. Perhaps that guy who is out 25k? Keep us posted.

Everyone should read blackarrow's trust feedback.

[DebitMe]

Are these asshole scammers back to deleting posts? You do know it isn'tworth it to ddelete posts after a couple of days sinc everyone has already seen them.  Well just for good measure. Never order from BA. They are incompetent idiots who I wouldn't trust to serve my fries at McDonalds. Lying scamming pieces of shit, the lot of them. I hope karma meets up with you pricks and your facilities burn and your wives leave you for a more competent man.

[eXOBeX]

Are these asshole scammers back to deleting posts? You do know it isn'tworth it to ddelete posts after a couple of days sinc everyone has already seen them.  Well just for good measure. Never order from BA. They are incompetent idiots who I wouldn't trust to serve my fries at McDonalds. Lying scamming pieces of shit, the lot of them. I hope karma meets up with you pricks and your facilities burn and your wives leave you for a more competent man.

That'd make a nice signature, you know

Have BullshittingArseholes shipped ANY miners out to individuals yet, or are they doing the resellers first?
If you bought direct from BA and your miner's arrived, what '00s range was your order in?

[Pentax]

Are these asshole scammers back to deleting posts? You do know it isn'tworth it to ddelete posts after a couple of days sinc everyone has already seen them.  Well just for good measure. Never order from BA. They are incompetent idiots who I wouldn't trust to serve my fries at McDonalds. Lying scamming pieces of shit, the lot of them. I hope karma meets up with you pricks and your facilities burn and your wives leave you for a more competent man.

yes they are.  they seem to be a bit put off that people are posting here on how to file a consumer complaint.  I have no idea why, if they are so above board and all.

you'd think it would occur to them at some point to simply follow the law.  you cannot control the internet.  and I have problems understanding how they have the time, seeing as people are supposedly so ^*()ing busy building miners that they do not have time to process refunds.

send me my money and I'll stop posting on this thread, maybe.  until then, unfortunately for both myself and Black Arrow, I am still a customer. 

Anyhow they deleted my post outlining how to properly file a complaint.  I am shocked to the core.  it's almost like they'd rather not have people know their actual rights or options or something. 

I've posted it here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681965.msg8036024#msg8036024

where the these wacky and whimsical moderators (with a keen sense of humour and with spare capacity to learn) cannot delete it. 

people should be climbing all over these people at this point.  people have been waiting 6 months in some cases for refunds and are getting nothing but a seemingly endless stream of excuses.  we're told they have no time to deal with refunds but they seemingly have time to be moderating this thread and their forum.

exercise your rights if you want your money back, folks.

[thejaxx]

Assholes deleted my post. It's okay, because most everything is known and archived.

But if you requested a refund from Minersource and did not get it, but they've tried to send you your equipment, drop me a message.

[Pentax]

Assholes deleted my post. It's okay, because most everything is known and archived.

But if you requested a refund from Minersource and did not get it, but they've tried to send you your equipment, drop me a message.

Just repost it.  Or start another thread.  You can piggyback on mine if you want.  Just click the link in my post above.

[greenlion]

Assholes deleted my post. It's okay, because most everything is known and archived.

But if you requested a refund from Minersource and did not get it, but they've tried to send you your equipment, drop me a message.

How can they possibly be deleting posts when 100% of their staff are busy assembling miners??

[thejaxx]

Assholes deleted my post. It's okay, because most everything is known and archived.

But if you requested a refund from Minersource and did not get it, but they've tried to send you your equipment, drop me a message.

How can they possibly be deleting posts when 100% of their staff are busy assembling miners??

hahaha! That's a good one! You got me....  :p

I just noticed it seems like the thread shrunk by two or three pages...