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Just switched to Kano from Slush

Left with a question, what happens when my miner goes off for like 20 minutes due to power outage, or internet connection in between blocks? For example, I mine for like 2 days and then power goes off, 20 minutes goes and comes back, and in that time pool finds a block..? I mined for a while now, but still don't get all these PP+, PPL+, PPLNS+, FOSHIZZLE+ things... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(See Help->Payouts on the web site)

Your reward each block, depends on the value of shares you submitted in the previous 5Nd when the block is found.
Since at the moment the 5Nd hovers around 16 days, losing 20 minutes, an hour, or even a day, will only reduce your reward by a small % at the moment.
It will of course, also take the same amount of time to get back up to your current reward level, as your outage.

You can replace 5Nd below with 16 days at the moment, but that changes with the pool hash rate.
The effect is the same in that you have the same expected BTC, it's just that the 5Nd may be shorter if the pool hash rate increases, so you're expected to get the BTC faster.

However, since you've only just started, it will take 5Nd from when you started to reach full reward.
(and of course if you stop you'll get another 5Nd of decreasing rewards after that)

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[manduul]

Just switched to Kano from Slush

Left with a question, what happens when my miner goes off for like 20 minutes due to power outage, or internet connection in between blocks? For example, I mine for like 2 days and then power goes off, 20 minutes goes and comes back, and in that time pool finds a block..? I mined for a while now, but still don't get all these PP+, PPL+, PPLNS+, FOSHIZZLE+ things... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(See Help->Payouts on the web site)

Your reward each block, depends on the value of shares you submitted in the previous 5Nd when the block is found.
Since at the moment the 5Nd hovers around 16 days, losing 20 minutes, an hour, or even a day, will only reduce your reward by a small % at the moment.
It will of course, also take the same amount of time to get back up to your current reward level, as your outage.

You can replace 5Nd below with 16 days at the moment, but that changes with the pool hash rate.
The effect is the same in that you have the same expected BTC, it's just that the 5Nd may be shorter if the pool hash rate increases, so you're expected to get the BTC faster.

However, since you've only just started, it will take 5Nd from when you started to reach full reward.
(and of course if you stop you'll get another 5Nd of decreasing rewards after that)

So, if we find a block today, I'll get the reward for it in basically 16 days right? But since I just started, it'll be very very low as well right? But if we double in hash power, it'll come down to 8 days etc from my understanding..? I got bills to pay right on the last day of the month every month, I hope I'll be alright

Thanks Kano. Let's get lucky!

[VRobb]

Not exactly... 16 days is the 5Nd and is 5 times network diff, so we expect to hit 5 Blocks in 16 days @current diff if pool hashrate stays steady and luck holds at 100%...  
Mine on!  

[manduul]

Not exactly... 16 days is the 5Nd and is 5 times network diff, so we expect to hit 5 Blocks in 16 days @current diff if pool hashrate stays steady and luck holds at 100%...  
Mine on!  

Cool, thanks man. So, today is 15th, and this month has 31 days. We have exactly 5Nd left. We stay 100% lucky, we'll find 5 blocks right before Feb. And on 31st, how many of those 5 blocks will be paid to the miners by then? Haha, sorry man.

Whatever happens, happens. Mine on!

[itzazkrit]

Not exactly... 16 days is the 5Nd and is 5 times network diff, so we expect to hit 5 Blocks in 16 days @current diff if pool hashrate stays steady and luck holds at 100%...  
Mine on!  

Cool, thanks man. So, today is 15th, and this month has 31 days. We have exactly 5Nd left. We stay 100% lucky, we'll find 5 blocks right before Feb. And on 31st, how many of those 5 blocks will be paid to the miners by then? Haha, sorry man.

Whatever happens, happens. Mine on!

It all completely depends on how many of the blocks have matured (100+ confirms) buy the time the last block is found.  If a block isn't done confirming, then it has to wait until next block.  I haven't been here that long, but only see this happening when we get blocks fast.

For 5ND time, easiest thing to do is to look at your "shift graph".  The little red line tells you what your average is.  Once the average gets to what you are really hashing, you are fully ramped up.  You can estimate what percentage you are really getting and what you can estimate when you are fully ramped by dividing shift average by what you are really hashing.  eg..... My average is 4.3TH/s on a avalon 741.  So 4.3/7.4 is 58% of what I would get when I am totally ramped.  Assume that they other 42% will be paid back on ramp down if you pull off the network, but you can at least get a grasp on what your normal payouts will look like when you are ramped.

I do have a question.....It seems like a "luckier" person would have a ramp up time during a period of "bad luck" for the pool.  In other words, during the ramp up time, if we find fairly few blocks, the effect of 5ND ramp (not getting full payout) is negligible compared to if we find a ton of blocks.  Is this thinking correct?

[manduul]

Not exactly... 16 days is the 5Nd and is 5 times network diff, so we expect to hit 5 Blocks in 16 days @current diff if pool hashrate stays steady and luck holds at 100%...  
Mine on!  

Cool, thanks man. So, today is 15th, and this month has 31 days. We have exactly 5Nd left. We stay 100% lucky, we'll find 5 blocks right before Feb. And on 31st, how many of those 5 blocks will be paid to the miners by then? Haha, sorry man.

Whatever happens, happens. Mine on!

I all completely depends on how many of the blocks have matured (100+ confirms) buy the time the last block is found.  If a block isn't done confirming, then it has to wait until next block.  I haven't been here that long, but only see this happening when we get blocks fast.

For 5ND time, easiest thing to do is to look at your "shift graph".  The little red line tells you what your average is.  Once the average gets to what you are really hashing, you are fully ramped up.  You can estimate what percentage you are really getting and what you can estimate when you are fully ramped by dividing shift average by what you are really hashing.  eg..... My average is 4.3TH/s on a avalon 741.  So 4.3/7.4 is 58% of what I would get when I am totally ramped.  Assume that they other 42% will be paid back on ramp down if you pull off the network, but you can at least get a grasp on what your normal payouts will look like when you are ramped.

I do have a question.....It seems like a "luckier" person would have a ramp up time during a period of "bad luck" for the pool.  In other words, during the ramp up time, if we find fairly few blocks, the effect of 5ND ramp (not getting full payout) is negligible compared to if we find a ton of blocks.  Is this thinking correct?

I am so confused... I did check Shift Graph page and that little red line is at the verrrrry bottom. Maybe because I just started mining..? Like 2 hours ago..? And Slush in the meantime scored 4 blocks since then lol.

Talking about lucky person or not lucky person, say in my case (2 hours mining on Kano), if Kano scores a block right now, will my reward for it be so low? Because of that red line that needs to ramp up? And tomorrow we find another block and my reward for it will be 1/5th of 5Nd? We keep finding blocks until my 5Nd is equaled, and then I'll start getting rewards worthy of my hash rate or I'll be rewarded just fine (like others who have started mining prior to me) for my hash rate?

Well, it's past 11pm, I'ma go to bed and check back the forum with a fresh mind

Sleep tight and mine on guys.

[minergain.com]

I am so confused... I did check Shift Graph page and that little red line is at the verrrrry bottom. Maybe because I just started mining..? Like 2 hours ago..? And Slush in the meantime scored 4 blocks since then lol.

First off, welcome!  If we find a block right now, you will not get much of anything for 2 hours of work.  In two weeks you will see huge rewards compared to slush.  Check out the home page on minergain dot com.  You will see a stat for CDT which is Coin per Day per Th.  With that, you can compute where your reward "will be" when you are fully "vested" with your 5ND.  The week is the last 7 days, month is the last 30 and quarter is the last 90.  This gets adjusted once per hour based on all the blocks found.  As you see, the CDT is going down on slush and up on Kano.  That is because there are so many miners on slush now compared to a month and quarter ago.  And the quarter for kano is low because there were two 800%+ blocks in October which Kano tells me that he has never seen before in a month.

So yes, the 4 blocks may have paid you some small fee, but it totally is worth it to switch...  Just be patient and mine on!

[zhd]

Hello Kano,
When are we going  to get back the held payouts?
Thank you

[rifleman74]

Hello Kano,
When are we going  to get back the held payouts?
Thank you

Nobody reads anymore. 

[itzazkrit]

I am so confused... I did check Shift Graph page and that little red line is at the verrrrry bottom. Maybe because I just started mining..? Like 2 hours ago..? And Slush in the meantime scored 4 blocks since then lol.

Talking about lucky person or not lucky person, say in my case (2 hours mining on Kano), if Kano scores a block right now, will my reward for it be so low? Because of that red line that needs to ramp up? And tomorrow we find another block and my reward for it will be 1/5th of 5Nd? We keep finding blocks until my 5Nd is equaled, and then I'll start getting rewards worthy of my hash rate or I'll be rewarded just fine (like others who have started mining prior to me) for my hash rate?

Well, it's past 11pm, I'ma go to bed and check back the forum with a fresh mind

Sleep tight and mine on guys.

Correct.  Its because you just started to mine on the pool.  Here's the thing.....in the long run, it does not matter what pool you mine with, the bottom line result that hits your wallet is completely based on YOUR hashpower compared to the ENTIRE bitcoin network, MINUS what the pool scrapes (maintenance and in most cases tx fees).  Just because slush hits 4 blocks an hour, you have to split that reward among 100k miners versus 1k miners (pulling numbers out of my ass, but doesn't matter), so your relative reward is going to be much lower at a larger pool.  Over time, it all evens out regardless of what pool you are at because luck "should" on average, get to 100%.  Good pools use 5ND ramp up to prevent people from hoping from one lucky pool to another.  

What this boils down too.......It does not matter that slushfest, antpoo, et al hits blocks much faster, what matters is what each respective pool is scraping off the top for maintaining, and/or if they are including the transaction fees with the block reward to the miners.  From what I've researched, Kano is cheapest fee, and pays out transactions, so pretty much the best payout you can get per TH of any pool operating that is hitting blocks at a decent clip.  Plus the guy is here regularly, so you know someone is spending pretty much every waking hour watching over his "baby" and most likely seeing it in his dreams as well.  Cheers!

Itza

[BiiT MAster 666]

its very grate.

[MinerSRQ]

I'm not sure on the temps - BUT - how did you manage to set the fan speed!?! 

Not going too specific here but you can get the rest of the info elsewhere, I am not responsible if you get it wrong, I am sure this would have to be repeated if you loose power or restart the miner

added these two lines bmminer.conf
"bitmain-fan-ctrl" : true,
"bitmain-fan-pwm" : "100",

restart bmminer
/etc/init.d/bmminer.sh restart
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Fantastic, thank you so much!  I'll try this in a little while.   I know you said you didn't want to get into too much detail - but if you don't mind, do you edit the .conf from SSH or another utility?  (e.g., miner monitoring software, etc.?)

[voodooman]

The config will stay if you change the config/bmminer.conf
Cause config is on a seperate writeable space on the controller.

You could also do some coding there in one of the files which are executed every time
the miner restarts.

You could also change the ssh password by changing config/shadow
First change the password with passwd
then copy etc/shadow to config/shadow or just the first line with the root password

By the way this is a known security issue of antminers machines.
The default ssh root password.

cheers
and
MINE ON!!

[zhd]

Hello Kano,
When are we going  to get back the held payouts?
Thank you

Nobody reads anymore. 

This is just a matter of trust. i sure Kano reads. and i am waiting for his reply.

[wavelengthsf]

Hello Kano,
When are we going  to get back the held payouts?
Thank you

Nobody reads anymore. 

This is just a matter of trust. i sure Kano reads. and i am waiting for his reply.

Kano has said multiple times that he's building a new accounting/payout module. This will let you get paid out your dust a specific time, either weekly or monthly.

[VRobb]

LOL, he meant no one reads the thread, answer is already there: Kanosan is working on updated accounting software for the pool, and when he's done sometime this year it'll have the dust payment code in there too...
Mine ON!  

-EDIT ah, wavelengthsf beat me to it!!

[wavelengthsf]

Not exactly... 16 days is the 5Nd and is 5 times network diff, so we expect to hit 5 Blocks in 16 days @current diff if pool hashrate stays steady and luck holds at 100%...  
Mine on!  

Cool, thanks man. So, today is 15th, and this month has 31 days. We have exactly 5Nd left. We stay 100% lucky, we'll find 5 blocks right before Feb. And on 31st, how many of those 5 blocks will be paid to the miners by then? Haha, sorry man.

Whatever happens, happens. Mine on!

You get paid for every block we hit based on the number of shares you have over the last 5 network diffs.

I'm going to use made up numbers for the hashrate, but they'll give you an idea.

At 100% luck, the pool should find a block in about 2.2 trillion shares (the network difficulty is 2.2 trillion.) 5 ND is 10.10 trillion shares.

When we hit a block, the pool code looks at the number of shares you had in the last 10.10 trillion of them, and compares that to the pool hashrate.

If you were mining for 7 days, and had 100 million shares, your payment would be whatever portion of those last 10.10 trillion shares were yours. However, the full 10.10 trillion share took place over 2 weeks, so for 7 days you weren't contributing. We'd say you were half way into your ramp up period.

Once you've been mining for about 2 weeks, when you look back at the last 5ND shares, you'll always see your total amount. That's when you're fully ramped up.

Does that clear it up?

[rifleman74]

LOL, he meant no one reads the thread, answer is already there: Kanosan is working on updated accounting software for the pool, and when he's done sometime this year it'll have the dust payment code in there too...
Mine ON!  

-EDIT ah, wavelengthsf beat me to it!!

Yep, some people are simply lazy.   MINE ON WITH KANO-SAN!

[manduul]

Itza, Mike Strand (minergain), thank you guys. I'm sure it'll all equal out in the end. But Slush pool luck has really scared me off recently.

When I started mining there when Nicehash went down, the pool hash rate was at 0.9Eh. Now it's doubled. We were getting 20+ blocks daily on that 1Eh. And now that Slush is almost at 2Eh, we're doing well below 20 blocks daily. I know difficulty has increased and stuff, but it shouldn't really be a problem when you double up in hash power... I thought we'd me mining at least 30 blocks daily.

Because ViaBTC pool just mined 27 blocks when Slush mined 11 blocks 2 days ago. Yesterday, ViaBTC mined 22 but Slush mined 17. I'm referencing ViaBTC because they're right at 2.2Eh which is slightly over Slush.

Anyways, don't care about the last few blocks Slush mined, I'm just glad I found a pool with this much community support. Thanks guys!

[rifleman74]

Itza, Mike Strand (minergain), thank you guys. I'm sure it'll all equal out in the end. But Slush pool luck has really scared me off recently.

When I started mining there when Nicehash went down, the pool hash rate was at 0.9Eh. Now it's doubled. We were getting 20+ blocks daily on that 1Eh. And now that Slush is almost at 2Eh, we're doing well below 20 blocks daily. I know difficulty has increased and stuff, but it shouldn't really be a problem when you double up in hash power... I thought we'd me mining at least 30 blocks daily.

Because ViaBTC pool just mined 27 blocks when Slush mined 11 blocks 2 days ago. Yesterday, ViaBTC mined 22 but Slush mined 17. I'm referencing ViaBTC because they're right at 2.2Eh which is slightly over Slush.

Anyways, don't care about the last few blocks Slush mined, I'm just glad I found a pool with this much community support. Thanks guys!

I've noticed the luck going down at slush as well...it's just one of those times.   kano's pool had "bad" luck for the past four months technically, would be nice to see the actual blocks "cracked" more than the expected this month.