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Author Topic: KanoPool since 2014 🐈 - PPLNS and Solo 0.5% fee - Worldwide - 2438 blocks  (Read 5351941 times)
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September 26, 2018, 11:14:22 AM
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As per the Help->Luck page, 1 in 2.7 blocks are 'expected', on average, to be over 100%, but currently 1 in the last 13 is pretty good Smiley
or even 2 in the last 18 - both stats including the current un-found block.

do you have somewhere calculation on the expected block time under current Difficulty and Pool Hashrate?
Time doesn't matter as long as we are finding enough blocks per diff change.
However, Help->Payouts mentions how long 5Nd is which is, of course 500%
And then of course there's also http://tradebtc.net/bitcalc.php

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September 26, 2018, 11:18:22 AM
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As I mentioned in Discord ... Smiley

The NYA node has still been showing a lot of disconnects since the provider did maintenance on it.
So I've created a new NYA node with a different provider.

nya.kano.is now points to the new node

This wont affect any mining other than: if your miner disconnects from NYA and reconnects, it will connect to the new NYA node.


However, to add to that:
I'll force a failover to the new node in about a day if miners are still pointed at the old node.
This will simply be to stop the old node accepting miners and then everyone still on the old node will reconnect to the new node.

Mine on! Smiley
So far there's only been a few % of workers that have reconnected to the new node, a lot less than I expected after the number of times it was showing miners disconnecting the other day.

Anyway, at 01:00 UTC (in a bit over 13.5 hours) I'll push everyone left on the old node over to the new node.
There's nothing for anyone to do, it will just be a failover off the old node for miners still pointing to the old NYA node and failback immediately to the new NYA node.
Of course, any miners already switched to the new NYA node will just continue mining uninterrupted.

Everyone else will be unaffected.

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September 26, 2018, 01:39:55 PM
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As per the Help->Luck page, 1 in 2.7 blocks are 'expected', on average, to be over 100%, but currently 1 in the last 13 is pretty good Smiley
or even 2 in the last 18 - both stats including the current un-found block.

do you have somewhere calculation on the expected block time under current Difficulty and Pool Hashrate?

In case you didn't see it in Kano's post, this is the calculator to use... http://tradebtc.net/bitcalc.php

The daily expected bitcoins for 210PH/s is 7.38273408 and divide that by 12.5 gives us 0.59 Blocks/day.  That is roughly a block expected every 2 days (1.69 days) at the current diff and pool hashrate.  We are well ahead of this pace for September.
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September 26, 2018, 02:19:23 PM
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Block by BlockBadger! The blocks just keep coming! Cheesy

This is our 1st of BLOCK WEDNESDAY! Cheesy
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September 26, 2018, 02:20:03 PM
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Block!  Grin

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September 26, 2018, 02:34:31 PM
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Woot!  BlockBadger hits one, and I'm just about to head out to Wisconsin for a long weekend, so actually double WOOT!!  Cheesy Cheesy
Mine ON!!  Cool

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September 26, 2018, 03:19:22 PM
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In case you didn't see it in Kano's post, this is the calculator to use... http://tradebtc.net/bitcalc.php

The daily expected bitcoins for 210PH/s is 7.38273408 and divide that by 12.5 gives us 0.59 Blocks/day.  That is roughly a block expected every 2 days (1.69 days) at the current diff and pool hashrate.  We are well ahead of this pace for September.

yea, i saw that, but it would be nice to see that expectation on the top of pool here:
Last    Block
Pool:     53m (543172) (Expected: 42 hours)
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September 26, 2018, 03:30:32 PM
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In case you didn't see it in Kano's post, this is the calculator to use... http://tradebtc.net/bitcalc.php

The daily expected bitcoins for 210PH/s is 7.38273408 and divide that by 12.5 gives us 0.59 Blocks/day.  That is roughly a block expected every 2 days (1.69 days) at the current diff and pool hashrate.  We are well ahead of this pace for September.

yea, i saw that, but it would be nice to see that expectation on the top of pool here:
Last    Block
Pool:     53m (543172) (Expected: 42 hours)

I always expect the next block to be found within the next 10 Minutes.... ;-)

there is plenty of information on the site to make an educated guess... and the number will always be wrong...
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September 26, 2018, 03:32:21 PM
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I've been getting a blank page stating "Too many accesses please try again later"

It's been that way for about 2-3 hours now.

Account is Luggyman.

is this to be expected? Front end down?

I wasn't refreshing like crazy or anything like that.

Thanks!
The problem was trying to change your payout address multiple times.
That ban cuts in pretty quickly.
Ban cleared.

Gotcha. Thanks man!
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September 27, 2018, 01:07:00 AM
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As I mentioned in Discord ... Smiley

The NYA node has still been showing a lot of disconnects since the provider did maintenance on it.
So I've created a new NYA node with a different provider.

nya.kano.is now points to the new node

This wont affect any mining other than: if your miner disconnects from NYA and reconnects, it will connect to the new NYA node.


However, to add to that:
I'll force a failover to the new node in about a day if miners are still pointed at the old node.
This will simply be to stop the old node accepting miners and then everyone still on the old node will reconnect to the new node.

Mine on! Smiley
So far there's only been a few % of workers that have reconnected to the new node, a lot less than I expected after the number of times it was showing miners disconnecting the other day.

Anyway, at 01:00 UTC (in a bit over 13.5 hours) I'll push everyone left on the old node over to the new node.
There's nothing for anyone to do, it will just be a failover off the old node for miners still pointing to the old NYA node and failback immediately to the new NYA node.
Of course, any miners already switched to the new NYA node will just continue mining uninterrupted.

Everyone else will be unaffected.
Done at 01:00:01 UTC

All NYA miners have switched to the new node now.

Mine on! Smiley

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September 27, 2018, 02:04:35 AM
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Done at 01:00:01 UTC

All NYA miners have switched to the new node now.
Great work, great pool!

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September 27, 2018, 04:35:50 AM
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just started with kano pool almost 48 hours ago with just 1 of my miners to test the waters - we hit a block after around 70 hours, as I was not there for all the shifts I expect that is why my payout was so low - in other pools this one miner would have made 10x the amount in 2 days. I am hoping that with participation in all the shifts for the next block that I will earn a higher reward to make it worthwhile. If I do well enough here, I will bring my other asics over.

anyways, I just wanted to say hello and hoping this pool works out good for me!

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September 27, 2018, 04:45:40 AM
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just started with kano pool almost 48 hours ago with just 1 of my miners to test the waters - we hit a block after around 70 hours, as I was not there for all the shifts I expect that is why my payout was so low - in other pools this one miner would have made 10x the amount in 2 days. I am hoping that with participation in all the shifts for the next block that I will earn a higher reward to make it worthwhile. If I do well enough here, I will bring my other asics over.

anyways, I just wanted to say hello and hoping this pool works out good for me!
Yep the thing to remember is the PPLNS here N=5Nd

That's also explained on Help->Payouts on the web site.

The most relevant part to your 'hope' is:
"The 5Nd means it takes that long to reward your shares.
The ramp isn't missing rewards, it's delaying them to reduce variance.
Each share is rewarded in all the blocks found in the 5Nd after the share."

So when you stop mining you will still have rewards due in the 5Nd of blocks after you stop.

This diagram might also help:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg26608107#msg26608107

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September 27, 2018, 05:41:53 AM
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just started with kano pool almost 48 hours ago with just 1 of my miners to test the waters - we hit a block after around 70 hours, as I was not there for all the shifts I expect that is why my payout was so low - in other pools this one miner would have made 10x the amount in 2 days. I am hoping that with participation in all the shifts for the next block that I will earn a higher reward to make it worthwhile. If I do well enough here, I will bring my other asics over.

anyways, I just wanted to say hello and hoping this pool works out good for me!
Yep the thing to remember is the PPLNS here N=5Nd

That's also explained on Help->Payouts on the web site.

The most relevant part to your 'hope' is:
"The 5Nd means it takes that long to reward your shares.
The ramp isn't missing rewards, it's delaying them to reduce variance.
Each share is rewarded in all the blocks found in the 5Nd after the share."

So when you stop mining you will still have rewards due in the 5Nd of blocks after you stop.

This diagram might also help:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg26608107#msg26608107

yes, but as I was not there for the full 70 some odd hours (not in the beginning) my share of shares is lower percentage wise than it would have been had I been mining the full time, right? either way, my miner has been connected for all the shifts since last block found and will remain so until the next block is found. we can go from there.

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September 27, 2018, 08:23:25 AM
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Block! by Canaan  Grin Shocked Roll Eyes Cool

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Block! yea  Cheesy  this is 23rd block in Sep, and 4 days left to go  Smiley   great luck.
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September 27, 2018, 11:05:53 AM
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I love waking up to a sub-100% diff block!

Today's gonna be a good day. Cool

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September 27, 2018, 12:18:07 PM
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I love waking up to a sub-100% diff block!

Today's gonna be a good day. Cool

Yep, my favorite way to start each day! Cheesy
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September 27, 2018, 12:53:18 PM
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great i see we found another block! the second one in 3 days. I am using only one s9 at 13.5 th/s in this pool and for the most recent block my reward was .00015387. I want to stay in this pool but i am not sure it would be profitable vs other pools as in other pools my block reward is about .00004 per s9 and getting on average of 10 blocks per day so that would be .0004 on average per day per miner. without 4 blocks a day on average I dont see how I can make the same as the other pools i belong to - and i have my s9's spread out as I am participating in 5-6 pools at a time.

am I looking at this wrong? is there higher profits in a small pool or a in a large pool? I get that the rewards are less frequent but larger and the latest reward was close to 4 times what the other pool is paying per block, the difference is the other pool is finding 10+ blocks per day so I am getting more rewards, although smaller. I see this is the 23rd block in the month, if i had been here the entire month, those rewards would be approx the same as about 100 block rewards on the other pool - but in the same time period with the other pool, I might have 230 block rewards. so seems like it is only half as profitable here for me --- at least with 1 miner.

I may need to bring over all my miners to be a larger % to make it worthwhile.

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September 27, 2018, 01:17:58 PM
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great i see we found another block! the second one in 3 days. I am using only one s9 at 13.5 th/s in this pool and for the most recent block my reward was .00015387. I want to stay in this pool but i am not sure it would be profitable vs other pools as in other pools my block reward is about .00004 per s9 and getting on average of 10 blocks per day so that would be .0004 on average per day per miner. without 4 blocks a day on average I dont see how I can make the same as the other pools i belong to - and i have my s9's spread out as I am participating in 5-6 pools at a time.

am I looking at this wrong? is there higher profits in a small pool or a in a large pool? I get that the rewards are less frequent but larger and the latest reward was close to 4 times what the other pool is paying per block, the difference is the other pool is finding 10+ blocks per day so I am getting more rewards, although smaller. I see this is the 23rd block in the month, if i had been here the entire month, those rewards would be approx the same as about 100 block rewards on the other pool - but in the same time period with the other pool, I might have 230 block rewards. so seems like it is only half as profitable here for me --- at least with 1 miner.

I may need to bring over all my miners to be a larger % to make it worthwhile.
If you had been ramped up, the last block would have been around 0.0008732.  If you want to see what you would have made with your miners, you can plug in your hash rates at https://minergain.com/?btcstats.  I am not sure if minergain is tracking your current pool.  Be aware that I have a bug where the slush blocks are not always subtracting the 2% pool fees but kano always is removing the .9%. The pool fees being subtracted from the block is deep in my monitoring code so a little tricky to find.

So for Kano, a single S9 would have received around 0.0199557, 0.0141996 for slush and 0.0150200 for viabtc.  After removing some additional fees for slush due to my bug (and viabtc is new, so maybe there too), this month definitely was higher.  Obviously the small pool allows us to be much higher and much lower in a month.  Fortunately we are nowhere near as small as we were 6 months ago where we were about 1/4 the size (and really big payouts).

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