CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded GPU kernels.

[bensam1231]

besides cpu which was fixed, what is the problem?

The speed. The income... The only way to Max the NVIDIA chips is to use CUDA.

yeah but it's better than doing 30 sol or 70, i know that without cuda nvidia can not reach its maximum

R9 nano - 170 sol/sec , RX470 120 s/s...
https://forum.z.cash/t/optiminer-zcash-gpu-miner-v0-3-0-175sol-s-r9-nano-135s-s-r9-290-120s-s-rx470/8109
Nvidia in zcash is killed.

just nvidia isn't optimized, waiting for clymore with cuda

That's not going to happen anytime soon just like with Ethereum. Someone paid him to not release for Nvidia (just like with Ethereum). We'll probably see a miner for Nvidia in like 3-4 months.

R9 nano - 170 sol/sec , RX470 120 s/s...
https://forum.z.cash/t/optiminer-zcash-gpu-miner-v0-3-0-175sol-s-r9-nano-135s-s-r9-290-120s-s-rx470/8109
Nvidia in zcash is killed.

Yup, not sure why some of the normal Nvidia devs aren't porting SA v5 to Windows/Nvidia. Nvidia supports OCL as well as CUDA, should be relatively easy to do. Putting aside closed miners like the above

SA 5 on 1080 make 60 sol/sec.

That's not what is advertised in the thread. I know you can do it with some Python magic as well.

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[Slava_K]

That's not what is advertised in the thread. I know you can do it with some Python magic as well.

Fastest free miner to nvidia is nicehash beta miner, my cpu 6700k and 1080 make 95 s/s.

[antantti]

$800 gpu does 60 when sold to market at bargain price.

Meanwhile, second hand $100 gpu does 130 that can be used at markets much more profitable. ROI in 3-4 weeks, just like earlier this year. This can all change in one night though.

[Slava_K]

$800 gpu does 60 when sold to market at bargain price.

Meanwhile, second hand $100 gpu does 130 that can be used at markets much more profitable. ROI in 3-4 weeks, just like earlier this year. This can all change in one night though.

Miner developers just ignoring nvidia community... 

[gghost]

$800 gpu does 60 when sold to market at bargain price.

Meanwhile, second hand $100 gpu does 130 that can be used at markets much more profitable. ROI in 3-4 weeks, just like earlier this year. This can all change in one night though.

Miner developers just ignoring nvidia community... 

Agreed. Feeling very stupid for buying GTX1070's for their efficiency when cheap AMD cards are pushing NVidia miners out of profits. This was impossible to predict back when efficiency mattered on the relavent compute intensive algo's at the time.

[antantti]

Miner developers just ignoring nvidia community...  

Or 'nvidia community' just ignoring miner developers. That is how market works.

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[Slava_K]

Miner developers just ignoring nvidia community... 

Or 'nvidia community' just ignoring miner developers. That is how market works.

Just include fee into a miner - and we have good hashrate, and developer have good profit.

[antantti]

Miner developers just ignoring nvidia community... 

Or 'nvidia community' just ignoring miner developers. That is how market works.

Just include fee into a miner - and we have good hashrate, and developer have good profit.

Just let that market decide. That f----r does always the right thing.

[bensam1231]

Yup, suggested multiple times that Nvidia developers should add a 'fee' to their miners. They didn't and spent the entire time complaining about a lack of donations. Low and behold, Nvidia developers are now non-existent and AMD devs are all running on a fee. Weird, huh?

Guess well have to wait till some new devs come along to fight for the underdog. Pretty sure I'm going to start purchasing AMD gpus to offset my loses at this point.

[antantti]

People buying 1080 mining rigs underdogs? I just don't buy that.

After done some bad investments you just don't come here to whine about it. Like it was some others fault.

[bensam1231]

Pretty sure almost no one bought mining rigs with 1080s. Just someone fumbling around with their gaming hardware (and SLI they thought would make money). It's been known for a very long GDD5-X doesn't work properly with mining. A tiny bit of research would've turned that up.

However, having almost no support on the Nvidia side of things was something that no one could've expected, especially considering things 6 months ago. Not even sure why no one wants to program for CUDA. Guess AMD is just more common.

[Slava_K]

Pretty sure almost no one bought mining rigs with 1080s. Just someone fumbling around with their gaming hardware (and SLI they thought would make money). It's been known for a very long GDD5-X doesn't work properly with mining. A tiny bit of research would've turned that up.

However, having almost no support on the Nvidia side of things was something that no one could've expected, especially considering things 6 months ago. Not even sure why no one wants to program for CUDA. Guess AMD is just more common.

Yes, it my gaming card. 

[sp_]

Lbry sp-mod #4 should be much faster than the opensource on the maxwell cards. What are you getting on the gtx 970 or 980ti?

[Amph]

$800 gpu does 60 when sold to market at bargain price.

Meanwhile, second hand $100 gpu does 130 that can be used at markets much more profitable. ROI in 3-4 weeks, just like earlier this year. This can all change in one night though.

Miner developers just ignoring nvidia community...  

Agreed. Feeling very stupid for buying GTX1070's for their efficiency when cheap AMD cards are pushing NVidia miners out of profits. This was impossible to predict back when efficiency mattered on the relavent compute intensive algo's at the time.

i still think that 1070 are somehow better because of the resell value, good luck selling 470 with only 3gb to gamers, almost none is interested in 3gb gpu anymore, instead with a 1070 you have a very high probabily if not 100% to sell it to a gamer

and at a very high % of the retail price, i can assure you that right now i would be able to sell at retail minus vat only, so probably around 85% of their original

this mean that it's like i have payed only 15% of their original value, which is far less than any amd

[Nikolaj]

$800 gpu does 60 when sold to market at bargain price.

Meanwhile, second hand $100 gpu does 130 that can be used at markets much more profitable. ROI in 3-4 weeks, just like earlier this year. This can all change in one night though.

That's why efficiency matters, and WILL matter. We'll discuss about it in a couple of weeks when ZCL and ZEC profitability will collapse (high probability).

Right after this moment, we could start facing some new kernels on nvidia side, boosting efficiency.

In my experience there's only one thing: don't sell VGA's if you own them, and if you can maintain them with your electrical infrastructure. Whoever, like the infamous genesis mining, had a farm in early 2014 now have got a fortune.

[pallas]

It's very weird that miners prefer a closed miner with fee over an opensource one supported by donations.

[bensam1231]

Efficiency wont matter till possibly this spring time when Ethereum is basically un-mineable (Equihash is pretty set to take that over though). Up until that point, AMD is earning 2x as much. It doesn't matter what the resale value is on cards unless you plan on reselling them. That was a big deal this spring when Pascal was coming out, Pascal is out. Those cards shouldn't need to be resold till the next Nvidia architecture comes out...

I guess resale value matters if you're planning on reselling your cards for AMD?

It's entirely possible to buy AMD and then resell them when they become unprofitable as well. ROI in 100 days is really fricking fast. After that point, you're just making money on top of them. I'm still using my Maxwell cards for instance... I didn't even sell those yet.

It's very weird that miners prefer a closed miner with fee over an opensource one supported by donations.

A dev fee is a way to make programmers happy. It could've been done with a open source miner with a fee as well. I've mentioned numerous times over the years I'd use a miner with a fee to support developers (2%), doesn't matter if it's open or closed source. I'm not so petty as to not pay a small amount for a product I'm using, even if there are some that are. That aside, the dev fee is there to incentivize continued development (unless you're SP and think there is no purpose to the dev fee except more money). Someone releases a better miner, you no longer get that part of the hashrate, which makes you want to make a better miner and get it back.

It's win-win.

Donations never work. You know how I know that? That amount of whining developers have done in this thread due to lack of donations. I'm not sure why some of you hate a dev fee so much. It's been proven to work over the years. The one time it didn't was back in the scrypt days when someone decided to code in a 30% dev fee, which is pretty ridiculous. Those get torn apart and ripped out. Most people aren't going to bother for 2%.

[bensam1231]

BTW RIEcoin still needs a GPU miner... Someone wants something not so mainstream... There is a lot of volume there, although some days there is like nothing for some reason. Very inconsistent coin.

[pallas]

You seem to not realise the obvious: dev fee only works on closed source miners.
The reason is that there is no difference between free donations and donations by fee.
People will not donate in both cases. Just because they can.

[Amph]

yeah in fact i prefer the mtb miner over clymore, it has also the same speed and it is open source, i'm always supporting open source over private

i don't know how much mtb made in donation but it is surely less than clymore...