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April 13, 2016, 07:35:41 AM
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So Mr Coins states almost a year ago that the SEC is going to "approve" Paycoin and now he is telling those drones to sell, sell, sell. XPY was a scam all along. When are these idiots gonna stop losing money from his ignorant words? He's a fucking idiot. Now shilling for ION. IONs and Atoms that produce "electrons" that electrify your stakers. How is that not almost exactly like Homero ran the hashlets? This is a carbon fucking copy of the XPY/GAW bullshit just under a different name.

Think of it as following a tried & tested business plan, nothing wrong with that Smiley

Although I'm pretty sure they are going to fail miserably with their expected ~$0.5 million ICO. There is at most a 100 of hardcore believers left, probably less then 50 actually, mostly broke and unlikely to bring $10k+ each. Unless they try to advertise this shit outside of hashtalk - now that would be fun to watch.

Since xpy only ended up at cryptsy can you imagine how many are even poorer now? I mean they can't even withdraw their btc to get electrified ion stakers or whatever red rocket ship shit they are selling Smiley.

Adam Matlack is probably talking to god now about where vern is going to go for cheating him out of his flocks money.
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Do not fudd matlack or you will not be delivered! Tithe him at 100%¡

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A summary of what happened last year would be nice.

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April 13, 2016, 09:43:41 AM
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A summary of what happened last year would be nice.

Read every 5th page going backwards,you'll catch up in about 30 minutes  Wink

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Damn I have stayed away for about a month and see nothing has really happened, for the SEC case to be sealed I think that Uncle Stu and his buddies at Cantor may have more to do with this than most know.

As for the rest of it let those last few survivors have there last few BTC stolen. Who really cares, and for those whom want to see Josh in a jail cell be prepared to wait years as this is a civil suit so just financial penalties and as we have seen from Big Vern, BTC is easy to hide as it just sits in a wallet until eventually in years to come and everyone has forgotten it moves.

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hahaha mrfuckingcoins, what a sleazeball. reminds me of a nugget I can across yesterday and how homero slimed his way out of it. just trying to figger out how to print an entire email thread. After the wall street journal piece, from that author michael


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Subject: We need to do a follow-up on these allegations of fraud.
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:00:52 +0000
From: Casey, Michael J <Michael.Casey@wsj.com>
To: Josh Garza <josh@btc.com>
CC: mjlindenberger@gmail.com <mjlindenberger@gmail.com>



Josh, I’m really quite stunned by the comments that have poured into the
story. It is elephant in the room that demands a follow-up story. We are
now compelled to address the charges that GAW is a fraudulent operation.

I had seen claims that GAW was a scam on Reddit and elsewhere, but I see
such claims throughout the mining and altcoin industries, legitimate or
otherwise -- it is, as you say, germane to the bitcoin community. So
didn’t deep much deeper. I now regret that, and if you were aware of
those charges against you I think it would have behooved you to have
gotten ahead of such claims by laying them all out in the first place
and then providing irrefutable proof to shoot them down. Now, we’re both
doing repair work.

I did follow-up with some of your business associates and looked into
your past dealings, checked out the hashcoin white paper, and felt
confident that you had a big operation underway. But now with these
overwhelming responses (from a group that might well be just disgruntled
traders), I need to do a significant amount more work, specifically
related to proof of the mining operation, its size and the capacity to
consistently pay out ROI based on actual mined coins, as well as into
the handling of the hashtalk.org forum.

So I’ll need your cooperation in responding to some of these charges
and to the various questions that I’ll have as follow-ups. (I’ll get
back to you with those shortly.) You can see this as a chance to put to
bed once and for all these serious allegations against you.

Regards,

Michael

Michael Casey

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The Wall Street Journal

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April 13, 2016, 12:27:41 PM
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GODDAMN TROLLS AGAIN HOMERO!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


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Subject: Re: We need to do a follow-up on these allegations of fraud.
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 09:41:34 -0500
From: Josh Garza <josh@btc.com>
To: Casey, Michael J <Michael.Casey@wsj.com>
CC: mjlindenberger@gmail.com <mjlindenberger@gmail.com>, Stuart Fraser
<SFRASER@cantor.com>, Daniel Kelley <dan@geniusesatwork.com>



There are no charges, but the opinions of the same people over and over.

As I told you on the phone, it's the same few dozen people doing this
over and over again. Additionally, we confirmed a while back that the
majority have been hired by competitors. That's that happens in this
industry when you take customers from other companies.

Honestly, I am just as surprised by this email. The same way you mention
proof, every troll that makes these allegations has none. It's the same
story over and over.

"I think gaw is doing bad things" "what's your proof" "well there is
none, I just think that are"

To add to that, we recently broke 200k customers. If 1% of our customers
did not like us, it would be 4 times the amount of complainers we have.
These guys are just loud.

I am happy to answer any questions you have.




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Subject: We need to do a follow-up on these allegations of fraud.
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:00:52 +0000
From: Casey, Michael J <Michael.Casey@wsj.com>
To: Josh Garza <josh@btc.com>
CC: mjlindenberger@gmail.com <mjlindenberger@gmail.com>



Josh, I’m really quite stunned by the comments that have poured into the
story. It is elephant in the room that demands a follow-up story. We are
now compelled to address the charges that GAW is a fraudulent operation.

I had seen claims that GAW was a scam on Reddit and elsewhere, but I see
such claims throughout the mining and altcoin industries, legitimate or
otherwise -- it is, as you say, germane to the bitcoin community. So
didn’t deep much deeper. I now regret that, and if you were aware of
those charges against you I think it would have behooved you to have
gotten ahead of such claims by laying them all out in the first place
and then providing irrefutable proof to shoot them down. Now, we’re both
doing repair work.

I did follow-up with some of your business associates and looked into
your past dealings, checked out the hashcoin white paper, and felt
confident that you had a big operation underway. But now with these
overwhelming responses (from a group that might well be just disgruntled
traders), I need to do a significant amount more work, specifically
related to proof of the mining operation, its size and the capacity to
consistently pay out ROI based on actual mined coins, as well as into
the handling of the hashtalk.org forum.

So I’ll need your cooperation in responding to some of these charges
and to the various questions that I’ll have as follow-ups. (I’ll get
back to you with those shortly.) You can see this as a chance to put to
bed once and for all these serious allegations against you.

Regards,

Michael

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The Wall Street Journal

212-416-2209 (o)

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michael.casey@wsj.com <mailto:michael.casey@wsj.com>

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Subject: RE: We need to do a follow-up on these allegations of fraud.
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:06:59 +0000
From: Casey, Michael J <Michael.Casey@wsj.com>
To: Josh Garza <josh@btc.com>
CC: mjlindenberger@gmail.com <mjlindenberger@gmail.com>, Stuart Fraser
<SFRASER@cantor.com>, Daniel Kelley <dan@geniusesatwork.com>



OK folks, so I need responses in general to the allegations that you’re
by now well aware of. And to the extent to which there is more solid
proof, rather than simply a denial, that will be better. It will make it
seem less like you’re being evasive and giving fodder to your critics
who say it’s a scam.

I’m not a position either way on behalf of any of these criticisms. And
it seems to me that part of the problem is that the bitcoin community is
full of some very passionate and inherently mistrusting people. They are
also going to be especially suspicious of any operation that is
perceived to be centralized, run by a for-profit corporation, even
though, as you argue, that may be the only approach that will bring
cryptocurrency into the mainstream. But with the barrage of comments
attached to my article and the emails I received, it is now impossible
for us to not at least write about the claims against you.

Before we met I’d seen such claims on Reddit and thought it as part of
the usual trolling that occurs within bitcoin land and typical of all
the loosely defined “pump and dump” allegations that are leveled at
pretty much every altcoin or the claims of fraud place on all mining
service providers. Also, I did some due diligence on you guys and you
were very helpful and constructive in that regard, including the
interview with Stuart. That was a constructive approach and it gave me
confidence. So, I felt that although I can’t back up your numbers you
clearly have a solid track record and sound business associates, so I
was happy to run with the article.

Sadly, though – rightly or wrongly -- the response to it changes the
calculus, both for me and for you. (The fact that you’d broadcast that
there would be a story in WSJ and then openly discussed how and when it
might run didn’t help, by the way. It puts me in an awkward position.
Word to wise: don’t do that again with us or any other news
organization. It can only make life difficult for you.) I now need to do
a follow-up to acknowledge that these concerns exist. We want to get
this out today.

So, here are the questions, most of which I’m sure you’ve encountered
before.

1.The big one: That this is a Ponzi scheme. What can you provide to show
that there are actual coins being mined and payments being made from
them? Are there mining addresses you can reveal that show significant
bitcoin mining activity to match the claim that you account for 50% of
new online mining capacity? (Or 90% of Litcoin?)

2.What’s the breakdown for that 50% claim? Over what time frame? Is that
for BTC only or BTC , Litcoin etc.

3.Are there other details that you can provide to verify the size of
your Mississippi operation? An address that allows us to search it on
Google Earth and street view, for eg.. (Also any very recent photos of
the inside of the plant and mining rig racks.)?

4.Why Mississippi? How do you maintain a low-cost operation in a state
that averages max temperatures year-round of about 75 degrees?

5.I take it that some of the payments on a hashlet that a customer
receives comes from trading revenues and some from a pool of assets that
Gaw mines, in addition to direct mining revenue. Can you break out those
flows for me? Is there an average across all clients?

6.And if, as various observers say, it’s extremely difficult for someone
to break even on any cloud mining contract given the struggle to keep up
with rising difficulty, low prices, etc., then isn’t it the case that
eventually there will be a pool of misfortunate hashlet traders left
holding the bag? How do explain that there are perpetual gains to be had
from owning and trading hashlets over time? How do you keep the supply
of hashing power up?

7.Related to that prior question: A static cloud mining contract is a
depreciating asset by definition, so long as the BTC price is flat or
falling. How is a hashlet different from that? How can I claim that it
has upside value? Is this because of the capacity to “amp it?” But if
so, isn’t the cost of doing so going to rolled into the price as well?

8.Most importantly, if trading and/or investments in a pool of assets is
part of the business model, is it regulated by the SEC? Do your lawyers
believe it doesn’t need to be? Are you seeking regulation? Where does
that stand?

9.Critics have described the hashpoint program for pre-ordering
hashcoin/paycoin as a scheme to cover for the fact that payouts on
hashlets started to decline early in the fall as difficulty rates rose.
What’s your answer to that?

10. In general, there’s a view that all cloud mining needs to be far
more transparent. That fund flows could and should be provably posted on
a blockchain-based system. What do you say to that?

11.Critics say the Hashtalk forum is aggressively moderated, with
dissenters barred and their comments removed. What’s your response to
that? The same critics also say that you pay supporters. Response?

Thanks for your prompt response.

Best wishes,

Michael

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The Wall Street Journal

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Subject: Re: We need to do a follow-up on these allegations of fraud.
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:39:26 -0500
From: Josh Garza <josh@btc.com>
To: Casey, Michael J <Michael.Casey@wsj.com>
CC: mjlindenberger@gmail.com <mjlindenberger@gmail.com>, Stuart Fraser
<SFRASER@cantor.com>, Daniel Kelley <dan@geniusesatwork.com>



See you on the call.

In the mean time. My tech guys gave me this for you. Note: This is
confidential, and should not be share with anyone else. This is just one
of our mining addresses.
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*We have signed it for you as conformation!*

https://blockchain.info/address/18Yrkm5cRqT1MiqwAUBDcN64hWb1pLutsW

GAW Miners Security team has signed the following message:
"11-26-2014 GAW Miners/WSJ" using the cryptographic private key for this
address. The message hash is:
"IC7XJZ9Ymp1RwnIpFVpCvv9bl5tYqXifPa0rrpG0RrtmCRbRDvranFVxtWMu3rW8RVwxJMLkuxFKNey bR/4plbk="
To cryptographically verify ownership of this address there are
several online services. BrainWallet.github.io
<http://brainwallet.github.io/> is a trusted open source platform which
provides a method of verifying messages.
https://brainwallet.github.io/#verify

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
11-26-2014 GAW Miners/WSJ
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
18Yrkm5cRqT1MiqwAUBDcN64hWb1pLutsW
IC7XJZ9Ymp1RwnIpFVpCvv9bl5tYqXifPa0rrpG0RrtmCRbRDvranFVxtWMu3rW8RVwxJMLkuxFKNey bR/4plbk=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE——


*As you can see, with just one of our addresses, and we have moved over
26k Bitcoins in just the last few months. This is 9.5 millions dollars
at todays pricing.*
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Also, here is Bitmain confirming a recent order of 5 petahash. around 4
million.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=827552.msg9378239#msg9378239

Finally, I have also attached the address of our main data center (and
the lease)

*All of this is highly confidential information and should not be shared
to anyone.*



*Josh Garza*
*CEO- *GAW Corp


And the super secret lease:

https://www.scribd.com/doc/308364991/nsmail








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Subject: RE: We need to do a follow-up on these allegations of fraud.
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:06:59 +0000
From: Casey, Michael J <Michael.Casey@wsj.com>
To: Josh Garza <josh@btc.com>
CC: mjlindenberger@gmail.com <mjlindenberger@gmail.com>, Stuart Fraser
<SFRASER@cantor.com>, Daniel Kelley <dan@geniusesatwork.com>



OK folks, so I need responses in general to the allegations that you’re
by now well aware of. And to the extent to which there is more solid
proof, rather than simply a denial, that will be better. It will make it
seem less like you’re being evasive and giving fodder to your critics
who say it’s a scam.

I’m not a position either way on behalf of any of these criticisms. And
it seems to me that part of the problem is that the bitcoin community is
full of some very passionate and inherently mistrusting people. They are
also going to be especially suspicious of any operation that is
perceived to be centralized, run by a for-profit corporation, even
though, as you argue, that may be the only approach that will bring
cryptocurrency into the mainstream. But with the barrage of comments
attached to my article and the emails I received, it is now impossible
for us to not at least write about the claims against you.

Before we met I’d seen such claims on Reddit and thought it as part of
the usual trolling that occurs within bitcoin land and typical of all
the loosely defined “pump and dump” allegations that are leveled at
pretty much every altcoin or the claims of fraud place on all mining
service providers. Also, I did some due diligence on you guys and you
were very helpful and constructive in that regard, including the
interview with Stuart. That was a constructive approach and it gave me
confidence. So, I felt that although I can’t back up your numbers you
clearly have a solid track record and sound business associates, so I
was happy to run with the article.

Sadly, though – rightly or wrongly -- the response to it changes the
calculus, both for me and for you. (The fact that you’d broadcast that
there would be a story in WSJ and then openly discussed how and when it
might run didn’t help, by the way. It puts me in an awkward position.
Word to wise: don’t do that again with us or any other news
organization. It can only make life difficult for you.) I now need to do
a follow-up to acknowledge that these concerns exist. We want to get
this out today.

So, here are the questions, most of which I’m sure you’ve encountered
before.

1.The big one: That this is a Ponzi scheme. What can you provide to show
that there are actual coins being mined and payments being made from
them? Are there mining addresses you can reveal that show significant
bitcoin mining activity to match the claim that you account for 50% of
new online mining capacity? (Or 90% of Litcoin?)

2.What’s the breakdown for that 50% claim? Over what time frame? Is that
for BTC only or BTC , Litcoin etc.

3.Are there other details that you can provide to verify the size of
your Mississippi operation? An address that allows us to search it on
Google Earth and street view, for eg.. (Also any very recent photos of
the inside of the plant and mining rig racks.)?

4.Why Mississippi? How do you maintain a low-cost operation in a state
that averages max temperatures year-round of about 75 degrees?

5.I take it that some of the payments on a hashlet that a customer
receives comes from trading revenues and some from a pool of assets that
Gaw mines, in addition to direct mining revenue. Can you break out those
flows for me? Is there an average across all clients?

6.And if, as various observers say, it’s extremely difficult for someone
to break even on any cloud mining contract given the struggle to keep up
with rising difficulty, low prices, etc., then isn’t it the case that
eventually there will be a pool of misfortunate hashlet traders left
holding the bag? How do explain that there are perpetual gains to be had
from owning and trading hashlets over time? How do you keep the supply
of hashing power up?

7.Related to that prior question: A static cloud mining contract is a
depreciating asset by definition, so long as the BTC price is flat or
falling. How is a hashlet different from that? How can I claim that it
has upside value? Is this because of the capacity to “amp it?” But if
so, isn’t the cost of doing so going to rolled into the price as well?

8.Most importantly, if trading and/or investments in a pool of assets is
part of the business model, is it regulated by the SEC? Do your lawyers
believe it doesn’t need to be? Are you seeking regulation? Where does
that stand?

9.Critics have described the hashpoint program for pre-ordering
hashcoin/paycoin as a scheme to cover for the fact that payouts on
hashlets started to decline early in the fall as difficulty rates rose.
What’s your answer to that?

10. In general, there’s a view that all cloud mining needs to be far
more transparent. That fund flows could and should be provably posted on
a blockchain-based system. What do you say to that?

11.Critics say the Hashtalk forum is aggressively moderated, with
dissenters barred and their comments removed. What’s your response to
that? The same critics also say that you pay supporters. Response?

Thanks for your prompt response.

Best wishes,

Michael

Michael Casey

Senior Columnist, Global Finance

The Wall Street Journal

212-416-2209 (o)

914-409-8733 (m)

michael.casey@wsj.com <mailto:michael.casey@wsj.com>

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That's odd. The 'Basic Lease Information' page shows a monthly rent in figures of $46,000.00 but the contract states, in words, "Forty Six Hundred Dollars" per month.




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Someone want to remind ole Michael about all of this: Casey, Michael J <Michael.Casey@wsj.com> ?

The biggest troll of them all the SEC seems to think it is so... Wink

Quote

RE: We need to do a follow-up on these allegations of fraud.
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:06:59 +0000
From: Casey, Michael J <Michael.Casey@wsj.com>
To: Josh Garza <josh@btc.com>
CC: mjlindenberger@gmail.com <mjlindenberger@gmail.com>, Stuart Fraser
<SFRASER@cantor.com>, Daniel Kelley <dan@geniusesatwork.com>


So, here are the questions, most of which I’m sure you’ve encountered
before.

1.The big one: That this is a Ponzi scheme. What can you provide to show
that there are actual coins being mined and payments being made from
them?
Are there mining addresses you can reveal that show significant
bitcoin mining activity to match the claim that you account for 50% of
new online mining capacity? (Or 90% of Litcoin?)

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Subject: Re: We need to do a follow-up on these allegations of fraud.
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:39:26 -0500
From: Josh Garza <josh@btc.com>
To: Casey, Michael J <Michael.Casey@wsj.com>
CC: mjlindenberger@gmail.com <mjlindenberger@gmail.com>, Stuart Fraser
<SFRASER@cantor.com>, Daniel Kelley <dan@geniusesatwork.com>



See you on the call.

In the mean time. My tech guys gave me this for you. Note: This is
confidential, and should not be share with anyone else. This is just one
of our mining addresses.
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https://blockchain.info/address/18Yrkm5cRqT1MiqwAUBDcN64hWb1pLutsW


Umm, Joshie, a 'mining address' is supposed to show newly minted coins from the blocks you are mining. Anyone managed to find any in that address?


WARNING!!! Check your forum URLs carefully and avoid links to phishing sites like 'thebitcointalk' 'bitcointalk.to' and 'BitcointaLLk'
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April 13, 2016, 01:35:29 PM
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Subject: Re: We need to do a follow-up on these allegations of fraud.
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:39:26 -0500
From: Josh Garza <josh@btc.com>
To: Casey, Michael J <Michael.Casey@wsj.com>
CC: mjlindenberger@gmail.com <mjlindenberger@gmail.com>, Stuart Fraser
<SFRASER@cantor.com>, Daniel Kelley <dan@geniusesatwork.com>



See you on the call.

In the mean time. My tech guys gave me this for you. Note: This is
confidential, and should not be share with anyone else. This is just one
of our mining addresses.
*
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*We have signed it for you as conformation!*

https://blockchain.info/address/18Yrkm5cRqT1MiqwAUBDcN64hWb1pLutsW


Umm, Joshie, a 'mining address' is supposed to show newly minted coins from the blocks you are mining. Anyone managed to find any in that address?



No. And there was no response from GAW or WSJ when that was pointed out immediately.

That's some really great journalism from Casey over there. Get down on your knees and write a puff piece. Don't question any of the absurd claims the guy is making. Get trashed for doing a shitty job. Go back to the guy who just used you angry because they didn't voluntarily throw themselves under the bus. Ask a bunch of questions you should have asked earlier at once so there's no way for you to follow up. Take one piece of horseshit info from the answers, don't vet it at all, publish it to make it seem like you aren't a goon. Never mention it again.
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Subject: Re: We need to do a follow-up on these allegations of fraud.
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:39:26 -0500
From: Josh Garza <josh@btc.com>
To: Casey, Michael J <Michael.Casey@wsj.com>
CC: mjlindenberger@gmail.com <mjlindenberger@gmail.com>, Stuart Fraser
<SFRASER@cantor.com>, Daniel Kelley <dan@geniusesatwork.com>



See you on the call.

In the mean time. My tech guys gave me this for you. Note: This is
confidential, and should not be share with anyone else. This is just one
of our mining addresses.
*
*
*We have signed it for you as conformation!*

https://blockchain.info/address/18Yrkm5cRqT1MiqwAUBDcN64hWb1pLutsW


Umm, Joshie, a 'mining address' is supposed to show newly minted coins from the blocks you are mining. Anyone managed to find any in that address?



No. And there was no response from GAW or WSJ when that was pointed out immediately.

That's some really great journalism from Casey over there. Get down on your knees and write a puff piece. Don't question any of the absurd claims the guy is making. Get trashed for doing a shitty job. Go back to the guy who just used you angry because they didn't voluntarily throw themselves under the bus. Ask a bunch of questions you should have asked earlier at once so there's no way for you to follow up. Take one piece of horseshit info from the answers, don't vet it at all, publish it to make it seem like you aren't a goon. Never mention it again.

I sent a few polite e-mails to Mr. Casey and that other WSJ guy after it became blindingly obvious to everyone what Garza did (around this time last year, then when the SEC questioned Carlos, etc) trying to get their take on the events. Never got a response or acknowledgement of any sort. Basically the WSJ blog is a pay-to-play rag, there is no journalistic integrity or journalistic anything. I doubt there is any in the WSJ proper either but I digress.
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April 13, 2016, 07:51:20 PM
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utility Set Deadlines/Hearings  Tue 4:07 PM 
Set Deadlines: Rule 26 Meeting Report due by 5/26/2016. (Gutierrez, Y.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_conference#Rule_26_conference

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April 13, 2016, 11:13:36 PM
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Actually on reflection that fucking Uncle Stu was pretty damn deep in it all. He was shoveling huge cash amounts 100,000, 200,000 out of his personal account back and forth like it was nothing. Moving around serious cash on the whims of his boy Homero. Not to mention the credit cards.  Roll Eyes  Huge Amex bills to the point that poor don't tell Elise got cut off at her favorite shoe store  Cry Cry

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Subject: SMS from Stuart Fraser [(917) 733-5514]
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:59:21 +0000
From: Stuart Fraser (SMS) <18025798360.19177335514.G1g7kvn4mb@txt.voice.google.com>
To: josh@geniusesatwork.com

Amex problems!!! Plum is overdue 11 days @ $104K! Huh?

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Subject: SMS from Stuart Fraser [(917) 733-5514]
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 16:06:48 +0000
From: Stuart Fraser (SMS) <18025798360.19177335514.G1g7kvn4mb@txt.voice.google.com>
To: josh@geniusesatwork.com

Sure. They just cut off Elise at Jimmy Choos!! ;(


 Cheesy Cheesy

He's in pretty deep which may be all it really is.


Here it is:

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Subject: RE: ICO/Paycoin release draft - Please Review
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 16:09:23 -0500
From: STUART FRASER <aukster@msn.com>
To: Josh Garza <josh@btc.com>



maybe I should be "identified" as a founding Investor? ...said Stuart
Fraser, co-founder/early investor and Vice Chairman......

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Subject: RE: ICO/Paycoin release draft - Please Review
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 13:56:31 -0500
From: STUART FRASER <aukster@msn.com>
To: Josh Garza <josh@btc.com>



sure


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Subject: Fwd: ICO/Paycoin release draft - Please Review
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 13:54:52 -0500
From: Josh Garza <josh@btc.com>
To: Stuart Fraser <aukster@msn.com>



are you cool with this?

It does not say its coming from cantor

*Josh Garza*
*CEO- *GAW Corp

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: *Harrison Wise* <harrison@wisepublicrelations.com
<mailto:harrison@wisepublicrelations.com>>
Date: Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: ICO/Paycoin release draft - Please Review
To: Josh Garza <josh@btc.com <mailto:josh@btc.com>>
Cc: Amber Messer <amber@geniusesatwork.com
<mailto:amber@geniusesatwork.com>>, Christina Sarracino
<christina@wisepublicrelations.com
<mailto:christina@wisepublicrelations.com>>, John McCartney
<john@wisepublicrelations.com <mailto:john@wisepublicrelations.com>>


Also, let's not forget that we also need blessing on Stuart's quote as
noted in the latest draft:

“Although relatively new, cryptocurrency is shifting the economic
paradigm and that is reason enough for traditional financial
organizations to start taking this seriously,” said Stuart Fraser, Vice
Chairman and partner, Cantor Fitzgerald L.P
. “With the marrying of
innovation, technology, finance and regulation - I believe that
cryptocurrency can provide a value proposition that has never before
been contemplated in global commerce and thus has the real possibility
of being a viable mainstream currency accepted by the masses around the
globe.”


Thanks

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On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Josh Garza <josh@btc.com
<mailto:josh@btc.com>> wrote:

I think its ok (there is nothing wrong with it) I would just
question the content.

Assuming regular every day people are going to read it, why not
write it that way? Mention that is will work with credit cards, and
hundreds of thousands of merchants?

I just dont think it really says anything (in its current form).
Maybe I dont get it.

Anyways, thats my view


*Josh Garza*
*CEO- *GAW Corp

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Harrison Wise
<harrison@wisepublicrelations.com
<mailto:harrison@wisepublicrelations.com>> wrote:

Josh - need your blessing/input on this release draft asap -
https://docs.google.com/a/wisepublicrelations.com/document/d/1PW_PHrKUjCJPJYQvqZ_KstkXK8DnZSr-YI5lE58V57Q/edit

Please advise.
H

Harrison Wise
Wise Public Relations, Inc. <http://www.wisepublicrelations.com>
P: 212-777-3235 <tel:212-777-3235>
M: 917-805-3213 <tel:917-805-3213>


On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Harrison Wise
<harrison@wisepublicrelations.com
<mailto:harrison@wisepublicrelations.com>> wrote:

Josh - need your feedback/blessing on this asap:

https://docs.google.com/a/wisepublicrelations.com/
<http://wisepublicrelations.com/>document/d/1PW_PHrKUjCJPJYQvqZ_KstkXK8DnZSr-YI5lE58V57Q/edit

Our plan is to release widely on Monday and we need to get
this into hands of relevant tech media and those we met with
yesterday by Tomorrow/Friday morning to properly queue it up.

Please feel free to make any edits directly to this shared
doc or let us know what changes need to be made.

Best,
Harrison

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<http://www.wisepublicrelations.com>
P: 212-777-3235 <tel:212-777-3235>
M: 917-805-3213 <tel:917-805-3213>


 




OK Wait a minute.
Uncle Stu poured money in, crafted a press release, put his name on it.....and then what?  There was hardly any advertising.  None of the TV interviews or magazine articles, ever surfaced, besides those planted by Scott Fargo....so....where did all of Uncle Stu's PR $$$$$ go??
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OK Wait a minute.
Uncle Stu poured money in, crafted a press release, put his name on it.....and then what?  There was hardly any advertising.  None of the TV interviews or magazine articles, ever surfaced, besides those planted by Scott Fargo....so....where did all of Uncle Stu's PR $$$$$ go??

There was no $$$$$, maybe $ or $$, and it all went to Garza's pockets of course, one way or another. There was an unpaid PR firm invoice somewhere in the e-mails too.

Uncle Stu is a hot air balloon much like Garza. He gave Elise's Amex to Garza and called it an "investment".
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OK Wait a minute.
Uncle Stu poured money in, crafted a press release, put his name on it.....and then what?  There was hardly any advertising.  None of the TV interviews or magazine articles, ever surfaced, besides those planted by Scott Fargo....so....where did all of Uncle Stu's PR $$$$$ go??


I wonder what they actually paid for. They had a few press releases that shit like yahoo finance just reprinted, because that's what they do. WSJ's blog had a mark that bought their line of shit for a second, and wrote his piece but did a shit job following up.

What other big interviews were promised/done? If they were done by someone with an ounce of brainpower they would never publish anything about the obvious scam.
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OK Wait a minute.
Uncle Stu poured money in, crafted a press release, put his name on it.....and then what?  There was hardly any advertising.  None of the TV interviews or magazine articles, ever surfaced, besides those planted by Scott Fargo....so....where did all of Uncle Stu's PR $$$$$ go??


I wonder what they actually paid for. They had a few press releases that shit like yahoo finance just reprinted, because that's what they do. WSJ's blog had a mark that bought their line of shit for a second, and wrote his piece but did a shit job following up.

What other big interviews were promised/done? If they were done by someone with an ounce of brainpower they would never publish anything about the obvious scam.

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Speaking of which, GAWCEO twitter is shilling for ION, well done Smiley

https://twitter.com/gawceo
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