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May 02, 2016, 07:12:05 AM
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I see some gawtards at the bottom right, i wonder if they were paycorn whales

fudder... xpy was not viable they traded in for ion from adam matlack to save them and became sheep for the disciple maker.

They are ion whales... because ion is a game coin and gaming has a market capital of $7 billion a year in the mobile market. That 7 billion market share is waiting to line up to use ion because its so innovative. They couldnt' do it themselves as a game company because they lack talent.

They needed a everyday church guy to clone a source and crowd fund a dev because they couldn't do it themselves.

Game dev studios need adam matlack and the likes of ion because they aren't innovative enough themselves. And even if they were you know innovative doesn't make a coin... a coining be used by the world that make a coin... and ion is that coin!!!!

Repent you heretic!!!

I'm glad they went to the man of gawd matlack, instead of fat vest wearing homero

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May 02, 2016, 09:41:54 AM
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I don't think he'd get his ged in prison

https://twitter.com/serioiusInvest/status/575987760496058368



Find out what prison he's going to (if any) & send T-shirts with this pic as gifts to inmates  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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May 02, 2016, 03:05:08 PM
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I don't see anyone going to jail....hell,all BFL got was a $15,000 fine,so................. Angry

BFL, shady and scammy as it was, actually did build miners and ship some. There was a tangible product they were clearly producing, they just vastly oversold their actual ability to deliver and did "burn testing (i.e. free mining). That's wrong, but the government cannot just go after people for that because there are infinite examples of legitimate computer companies, for instance, doing the same thing (hundreds of millions of dollars from advanced orders for computers that are either chronically delayed or simply non-existent at the time). As long as they can make a plausible case that they are just incompetent as opposed to openly fraudulent, it simply isn't ever going to be criminal.

Furthermore, they were busted by the FTC which is an agency that has much less history of its proceedings working their way into criminal charges. It's basically how you get slapped on the wrist for false advertising.



The SEC, on the other hand, is frequently a prelude to criminal charges. Just ask Pirate@40, because that's actually what happened to him. The SEC did the legwork and then handed the case over to the FBI, at which point the dude just plead out because it was going to be hopeless.

Josh Garza indisputably ran a ponzi. He didn't cherry-pick and selectively deliver his products to reviewers, no, he sold pictures of things that never existed, publicly made impossible promises directly contrary to law, and made numerous fraudulent representations like standing in front of fake mining equipment.

He said he was mining, he never was. He made direct promises of profitability based on capital reserves that did not exist. Any money that went out came from money that went in, without exception. He made representations that he was collecting money that would go to charity, and it clearly didn't.

Remember the "Y U NO SHIP" foam toys from BFL? The FTC made a big deal of them, despite not really being all that meaningful legally speaking, because they are absolute dynamite to a jury. That kind of thing might not be able to directly affect what you get charged with, but it absolutely will affect whether you get convicted for it.

The 9/11 stakers are a similar deal. It's just another aspect of fraud to a case replete with it, but it makes it clear to a jury what this is all about. They might not get "mining", crypto-currency or even what a "Security" is, but when Josh can't show where that money went or even what charity he supposedly partnered with, believe me, a 80 year-old grandmother who is an illiterate daughter of an oakie sharecropper will understand what Garza did.

The Feds are going to get him, that's undoubtedly what the stay is about.

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May 02, 2016, 03:53:21 PM
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"that was the bonus for the ico purchasers of xpy"

made my day

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May 02, 2016, 04:07:43 PM
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are you using any of your money or unpaid time? i thought these things were getting paid by others from xpy.io and now the ICO.... well i guess you can understand people speculate since ionomy people have made 0 effort to clarify anything. probably because they think BCT is trash & full of muggles... of course ionomy welcomes everyones money tho  Cool

bugs me when the devs have no skin in the game... yay lets crowd source this with xpy bagholder money and then enlarge it to a bigger ICO which we can use to fund our secret plans. at least we can be employed for another year or 2. then crash and burn since we didnt want any larger criticism from unaffiliated people

like mrcoins says: theres no penalty for failing in business. as long as you dont lie like garza and you are golden

WorldOfHash has made some money it self. And i have used that to secure the hosting and domain for the game. Now what the Team over at ionomy.com is doing i have no clue. I have seen Screen Shots of the game they are making. Also got to listen in on the concept meeting for it. Like everyone here i am here waiting to see how the game ends up. I hope It is good or atleast a good platform to build off of.

Are you accepting ION in world of hash? If so, why? I'm genuinely interested.

The overall reason to accept ION is due to the fact Mr. Matlack provide free of charge his Graphic Design Service. He is also helping with rebuilding the Overall UI of the Site to make it more Game Like. Which i would love for you guys to give your honest opinion and and helpful idea's to make the UI better for the over all GamePlay.

Sorry, wish you the best of luck, but I won't touch anything that Matlack has his hands in, on or near. Too piss poor of a track record for me.

I won't hate you for not playing. But i do welcome idea's from anyone who does join the game

Here's an idea for you simdude: The plural form of idea is not idea's.

Adam Matlack 1/5/2014: "Not but 30 seconds later, the Holy Spirit slapped me upside the head and said "what are you thinkin'? What are you doin'?" It was an emphatic "NO". And I got - just guilt started to cover me"
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May 03, 2016, 10:13:48 PM
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Quote from: o0o0 link=topic=857670.msg14707780#msg14707780
Ionomy is just xpy with a new coat of paint. Its the same prime controller, staker plan with changed values under a new name. Its like pepsi and coke they are both cola... the difference is neither company denies its cola. Ionomy is trying to say its in no way xpy influenced. It clearly is.

I understand what you are saying, but re-using the platform that you already developed, still makes more sense than throwing it all away and start over.

Main reason that was plead for, is that they/team ion can now directly control the ingredients. Previously on xpy this was not the case as the actual coincode was maintained by another party.

This does not invalidate your other arguments, but should be added into the equation.

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Quote from: o0o0 link=topic=857670.msg14707780#msg14707780
Ionomy is just xpy with a new coat of paint. Its the same prime controller, staker plan with changed values under a new name. Its like pepsi and coke they are both cola... the difference is neither company denies its cola. Ionomy is trying to say its in no way xpy influenced. It clearly is.

I understand what you are saying, but re-using the platform that you already developed, still makes more sense than throwing it all away and start over.

Main reason that was plead for, is that they/team ion can now directly control the ingredients. Previously on xpy this was not the case as the actual coincode was maintained by another party.

This does not invalidate your other arguments, but should be added into the equation.

True they can control the ingredients. The keyword you used here is "control" a coin should NOT be controlled.. It should be up to the market and players all having a degree of control based on their holdings. I.e. your risk is your control factor. Team ion risk nothing control everything. You have a platform controller, melded with the coin code. They will always accept code changes that benefit their platform and profit. The premine puts them ahead and they have not and i am willing to bet will not show transparency to prevent them making a bunch of master nodes etc.

It doesn't matter if they do anyway as their investors will just latch on and argue and say its for their running costs etc. But these people scream loud because they are "invested" ie have risk as they PAID to be in it. Team ION doesn't. They can basically pay themselves what they want control it how they want to their benefit and they have to and will say nothing. They know their investors will be the ones defending and arguing with people as they have the risk. Once the ecosystem milks down from team ion sales then the original investors will be left with scraps to sell.

To fulfill and make them money they have to drag more investors in that are willing to buy big. Take a look at any POS coin on the market... how many of them have large volumes? That is ions future at present. The investors aren't blind they see this in comments they are just ignorant and refuse to even give this possibility the benefit of the doubt.

If ion was a pure buy coin from the start that had no xpy trade in it would have faired less (well supposedly from their site and btw that isn't a hard fact as it shows nothing but X ion sold i mean i can make a html file that says that). Their hook line and sinker plan dragged more people in that had xpy. They call it helping those that lost out but at 8:1 and the 20,000 needed means 160k xpy needed. Most don't have that and they KNOW that people will buy more to load stakers or get a masternode. the xpy trade was just bait to bring in those that were wronged as customers... its basically preying on the disadvantaged.

If they were serious they would calculate the likely average holding of xpy bagholders and then try to formulate a way of making them competitive from the start with no additional cost. They haven't done this because they want to foster sales and money making.

time will tell as i said history is repeating.
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May 04, 2016, 08:16:24 AM
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Quote from: o0o0 link=topic=857670.msg14707780#msg14707780
Ionomy is just xpy with a new coat of paint. Its the same prime controller, staker plan with changed values under a new name. Its like pepsi and coke they are both cola... the difference is neither company denies its cola. Ionomy is trying to say its in no way xpy influenced. It clearly is.

I understand what you are saying, but re-using the platform that you already developed, still makes more sense than throwing it all away and start over.

Main reason that was plead for, is that they/team ion can now directly control the ingredients. Previously on xpy this was not the case as the actual coincode was maintained by another party.

This does not invalidate your other arguments, but should be added into the equation.

True they can control the ingredients. The keyword you used here is "control" a coin should NOT be controlled.. It should be up to the market and players all having a degree of control based on their holdings. I.e. your risk is your control factor. Team ion risk nothing control everything. You have a platform controller, melded with the coin code. They will always accept code changes that benefit their platform and profit. The premine puts them ahead and they have not and i am willing to bet will not show transparency to prevent them making a bunch of master nodes etc.

It doesn't matter if they do anyway as their investors will just latch on and argue and say its for their running costs etc. But these people scream loud because they are "invested" ie have risk as they PAID to be in it. Team ION doesn't. They can basically pay themselves what they want control it how they want to their benefit and they have to and will say nothing. They know their investors will be the ones defending and arguing with people as they have the risk. Once the ecosystem milks down from team ion sales then the original investors will be left with scraps to sell.

To fulfill and make them money they have to drag more investors in that are willing to buy big. Take a look at any POS coin on the market... how many of them have large volumes? That is ions future at present. The investors aren't blind they see this in comments they are just ignorant and refuse to even give this possibility the benefit of the doubt.

If ion was a pure buy coin from the start that had no xpy trade in it would have faired less (well supposedly from their site and btw that isn't a hard fact as it shows nothing but X ion sold i mean i can make a html file that says that). Their hook line and sinker plan dragged more people in that had xpy. They call it helping those that lost out but at 8:1 and the 20,000 needed means 160k xpy needed. Most don't have that and they KNOW that people will buy more to load stakers or get a masternode. the xpy trade was just bait to bring in those that were wronged as customers... its basically preying on the disadvantaged.

If they were serious they would calculate the likely average holding of xpy bagholders and then try to formulate a way of making them competitive from the start with no additional cost. They haven't done this because they want to foster sales and money making.

time will tell as i said history is repeating.

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May 04, 2016, 10:25:22 PM
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Is this faggot Homero Ganza in jail yet ?
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May 04, 2016, 11:23:55 PM
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I remember when Homero said : Pls guuyz don't changeback. Chanrgebacks makes me sad. It will hit our Mill CAF Angry #hashlet4life #GAWsome

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I remember when Homero said : Pls guuyz don't changeback. Chanrgebacks makes me sad. It will hit our Mill CAF Angry #hashlet4life #GAWsome

^ Pretty sure you're talking about "chargebacks."  Or was that just Homero-spelling?

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All those lies....all those victims.  Even those who "profited" (big) might be subject to clawbacks.
No one is safe who ever dealt with Garza. 

Prosecuting this right takes time....but as I've always said, it's gonna happen and when it does, it's gonna be B E A U tiful.
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May 05, 2016, 05:55:50 AM
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HUOBI is shilling for ION on Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4hxy67/bitcoin_in_the_videogame_industry_by_huobi/
Leave a comment what you think about it if you care.
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May 05, 2016, 10:57:17 AM
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HUOBI is shilling for ION on Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4hxy67/bitcoin_in_the_videogame_industry_by_huobi/
Leave a comment what you think about it if you care.


thanks for the heads up. hilarious... left a comment

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May 05, 2016, 11:09:00 AM
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I remember when Homero said : Pls guuyz don't changeback. Chanrgebacks makes me sad. It will hit our Mill CAF Angry #hashlet4life #GAWsome

^ Pretty sure you're talking about "chargebacks."  Or was that just Homero-spelling?

Paycoin Payback Gonna Be Sweet!

All those lies....all those victims.  Even those who "profited" (big) might be subject to clawbacks.
No one is safe who ever dealt with Garza. 

Prosecuting this right takes time....but as I've always said, it's gonna happen and when it does, it's gonna be B E A U tiful.

yes, chargebacks. 

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May 05, 2016, 03:29:05 PM
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I'm guessing that she's the breadwinner now and Josh is her B*tch, staying home with the 3 little kids.   Grin

My money is on jessica distancing herself and shacked up with someone else money wise.

And Josh being with that chick he impregnated.

I reckon it would be one big messed up situation at present... unless josh is shacked up with stuart?

Perhaps Josh & Stuart will cut a deal with the Feds, (IRS, FBI, DHS) to share a cell.

If you dont mind me peering into my Crystal ball, here is the way I suspect this will play out.

FinTech/blockchain is the hot thing on Wall Street, it is far from developed and has daily debacles and crashes. So this will be the Narrative/Defence Uncle Stu and CF will roll out.

Their involvement in the GAWS debacle was and an exploratory probe into the the "FinTech" industry, since it is such a new and unproven financial tool/concept/service, the funds committed to GAWS not as an investment but rather R&D funding, Uncle Stu was simply the lead on the research/development and responsible for feasibility study, not GAWS management. Uncle Stu was merely a CF rep, turned unknowing victim. Uncle Stu had a lapse of judgement in not watching things closely enough and did not realize he/CF were involved in a scam due to the "new untested principals in Fintech" and due to the deception of the GAWS CEO did not learn of the scam until it was too late and the R&D funds had been depleted. But many start up Ventures fail for various reasons and GAWS is just a failed venture. He is sorry for not paying more attention to the project and CF will pay a six figure fine for his lapse in judgement and oversight.

Now as far as Joshykins is concerned, he will be thrown under the bus and all this will be on him. He was the fall guy from the start and will be the one that takes all the heat and punishment for his actions of this "brilliant deceptive scam" while Uncle Stu and CF will continue doing business as usual.

That is how the Wall Street Hokey pokey is danced!

Oh and one other thing to remember... all those SEC Lawyers, investigators and others there, usually only spend a few years at the SEC, doing their time and waiting on an offer from a Wall Street firm for the big $$$ I expect CF will be hiring a few in the next year, in order to save Uncle Stu from any serious problems.

Joshykins? Sux to be him... really it does!  

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Even the Holy Spirit thinks Matlack is full of shit:

3:21 http://clearpointchurch.org/sermons/called-to-community/


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Adam Matlack 1/5/2014: "Not but 30 seconds later, the Holy Spirit slapped me upside the head and said "what are you thinkin'? What are you doin'?" It was an emphatic "NO". And I got - just guilt started to cover me"
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May 08, 2016, 07:17:42 PM
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Hey everyone that was part of the oddity that was HashTalk.
For those that were part of HT and experienced the Hashpoints system attached to the social interaction.
I'm curious at a sociological viewpoint how it influenced your posting and what you thought of the monetizing of your social interaction?

For those unaware or late to the Garza game on HT. JG made a system that rewarded participation. Instead of karma or likes, HP's would also be theoretically 0.01USD and would be later used for soon™ products/services. They created an incentive to be in HT and participate. They could also be subtracted by the users, negative marks would subtract HPs in your Zencloud account.

As we wait for more news about JG. I see another actor in this space planning something similar.

I would like to hear this communities thoughts on what happens when you monetize community interaction in this environment.


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is that true? sounds crazy and totally something JG would do
how could you earn hashpoints? i remember there was the up arrow thing for likes


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of course that low $ means nothing to anyone who makes any money at all. but gamification is a powerful tool regardless
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is that true? sounds crazy and totally something JG would do
how could you earn hashpoints? i remember there was the up arrow thing for likes


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of course that low $ means nothing to anyone who makes any money at all. but gamification is a powerful tool regardless

Yes, it was crazy. Not only does it create a ramification of the community it continually had to be evaluated and redone.
The up arrow gave a HP to the persons account and the down would subtract it. You can imagine what happened if you were in alignment of the narratives. Eventually they had to turn off the downvote feature effecting HPs in your account. I think the last edit to it was someone could still give you an upvote (HP) but even if they downvoted you, it didn't effect your accounts HPs.

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