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April 19, 2016, 11:31:57 AM
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You don't have to give time true but i'm betting that you came here from comments against you to justify it so in a way you are giving time you feel you have to do.

Finally you answered 1 of 2 questions.

I suggest in future for all your twitter posts you start stating something to the extent of don't take this as investment advice. You could also add that you have been wrong in the past to ensure people don't take it 100% as promotion.

I like to post charts and my own Technical Analysis. Sometimes I am right, sometime I am wrong. Just like everyone else.

Check out my recent twitter posts. I have learnt a lot. Anyone who takes investment advice from Twitter will lose. So people need to educate themselves or alternatively you have to get many hundreds (or thousands) of other twitter users to follow your advice also.


Awesome.. make a twitter post stating that anyone that takes advice from twitter will lose. Also state on twitter people need to educate themselves. But of course one wouldn't do that on twitter would they? But when you want twitter followers you aren't going to state that aren't you... your advice and comments you want to gather followers with. fair call i'd say wouldnt you agree?

I'm careful about my tweets, in fact, you won't find anything that you could consider investment advice. I'm still posting my charts, i'm not always right, no-one is. (although there is not much room to write a disclaimer in every tweet)

I'm not sure what is the solution to all the other people tweeting out their charts and trades. Adding disclaimers is just not going to happen. IMO people need to see social media as it is, they need to understand not to believe everything they read on the internet. If they make investments based on tweets then they will sometimes lose. It's just a fact of life.
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April 19, 2016, 11:38:02 AM
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Awesome.. make a twitter post stating that anyone that takes advice from twitter will lose. Also state on twitter people need to educate themselves. But of course one wouldn't do that on twitter would they? But when you want twitter followers you aren't going to state that aren't you... your advice and comments you want to gather followers with. fair call i'd say wouldnt you agree?

I hope this does the trick. Maybe i'll send this out weekly.

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April 19, 2016, 11:50:16 AM
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You gave him power... so therefore he is not 100% share of responsibility. The fact that you cannot accept that you played any part even in a small fraction just shows you cannot take any responsibility in any of your actions... o i didn't know i was going to get fat drinking 100 litres of cola a day its cokes fault with their advertising.. i thought i'd just be happy on the beach like in their ads so i told everyone else the same.

It's what scammers do. They use people, the steal from victims. He was a particularly clever scammer.

I am not the only one who believed in the scam. My mistake cost me dearly.

But don't make the mistake of thinking it makes him less of a criminal. He doesn't deserve that.

He deserves no less than 100% full responsibility for his criminal intent.

I doubt it's really you. But no, Homero only deserves 50% of a life sentence, you deserve the other half for being complicit in fraud. Especially when you were dumping while pumping.

Can you explain how you did technical analysis on Homero and the caf? Did you trace his vest?  Did you get a lobotomy first? Or were you born with a disability?

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April 19, 2016, 11:53:28 AM
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"We feel the Proof of Work (PoW) model is broken," said Mark' "We're seeing now with the large Bitcoin farms in China, the arms race has gotten to the point where mining is a zero sum game."

"By starting semi-centralized with ionomy.com"

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ionomy-gaming-platform-seeks-entice-172602645.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&soc_trk=tw
 
When your "people" can show such a fundamental lack of understanding of the mining process and then to pad out their excuse reason for steering away from it with the same twaddle Mr Ganza used, the alarm bells should have been ringing. That and the fact the team involved were incompetent with XPY, why would anyone ever believe they were going to be of any use in another "Coin" environment.

Chasing these rainbows may be fun, but the wake of destruction they leave behind is not quite so amusing.

With great power (and a lot of believing Twitter followers) comes great responsibility. It's not a choice, it's just the way things have developed, sometimes even cultured. To underestimate the power of the medium shows a lack of foresight or attention, quite possibly both. But this is easy to fix as I see some have recently tried to do Smiley

I strongly recommend Andreas book "Mastering Bitcoin" to understand the true fundamentals of what makes Bitcoin, Bitcoin. When you understand the technology in this way then your appreciation for Alts doesn't diminsh, but it does make you a whole heap more discerning when choosing to jump onboard a gravy train.

The ethics of it all? I'll leave for another day Wink



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I doubt it's really you. But no, Homero only deserves 50% of a life sentence, you deserve the other half for being complicit in fraud. Especially when you were dumping while pumping.

Can you explain how you did technical analysis on Homero and the caf? Did you trace his vest?  Did you get a lobotomy first? Or were you born with a disability?

The criminal JG must be very pleased to find his victims only consider him 50% responsible. He must be laughing holding the 100% of BTC he gained from the scam.

If your logic is correct, then every victim was complicit in the fraud. JG must be very happy with this analysis. Maybe he'll even use it in court as his defence, if it ever gets that far.

As for regular people who sold out at a profit - and there were a lot of them... I am truly pleased for them. They made a good trade and averted a complete loss. Unfortunately, I was not one of them. (although I wish I was)
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April 19, 2016, 12:00:21 PM
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"We feel the Proof of Work (PoW) model is broken," said Mark' "We're seeing now with the large Bitcoin farms in China, the arms race has gotten to the point where mining is a zero sum game."

"By starting semi-centralized with ionomy.com"


Translation the proof of work model is broken because we don't have the funds available to get enough hashing power to make money. Therefore we feel its much better to control the supply ourselves and choose the stake rate whilst giving ourselves a premine. This model isn't broken (for us) as we make cash.

Remember innovative does not make a coin. A coining be used by teh world.. that make a coin.

I love how they say they feel the model is broken but don't say how or why.

Its just they feel because they make no fuckin money. Mr Coins... are you taking note of this..? remember its round 2 and you have a chance this time to actually listen to it.

These dicks actually offer nothing that isn't already in another coin. Ok so lets move from POW and go POS. They forked blackcoin or whatever coin.. so what benefit do they have over choosing the stake rate and what people get.... why not use an existing coin....? There needs to be a reason to make a new coin and changing a percent rate, icon, image etc isn't enough.

Listen and stop being a sheep.
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April 19, 2016, 12:26:54 PM
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I doubt it's really you. But no, Homero only deserves 50% of a life sentence, you deserve the other half for being complicit in fraud. Especially when you were dumping while pumping.

Can you explain how you did technical analysis on Homero and the caf? Did you trace his vest?  Did you get a lobotomy first? Or were you born with a disability?

The criminal JG must be very pleased to find his victims only consider him 50% responsible. He must be laughing holding the 100% of BTC he gained from the scam.

If your logic is correct, then every victim was complicit in the fraud. JG must be very happy with this analysis. Maybe he'll even use it in court as his defence, if it ever gets that far.

I doubt Josh is holding anything. He immediately frittered it all away in the same ostentatious displays of his nouveau riches that attracted you to his scam in the first place.

Jets, Cars and hotels, even when rented, do not come cheap. Neither does maintaining an entourage or paying the salaries of the people who staff the front you called a company so you can make-believe you are a CEO.


You see a "particularly clever scammer", I see a serial con-man who is so chronically unable to fulfill even basic life obligations that it bubbles over into his associates like an outbreak of the plague. In other words, the "clever scam" here is simply how he spent so much stupid  money like a drunken sailor that he managed to attract other people who wanted to do the same thing, if only because JG wasn't really so different than them, so why shouldn't they also have what he does?

So it's really hollow to see you here, fondling your empty bag and bemoaning how his is full. Actually, no, his is empty. AS IT ALWAYS WAS. It only temporarily appeared full because the money that was previously in *your* bag passed through it, and that money only changed hands because you wanted, via sympathetic magic, for your bag to be able to shit money like his did.

And you act like a passive victim when you were cheerleading all along, asking others to pass money through JG's bag in the hopes that such an activity would transform your bag, and when that sorcery still inexplicably failed to work, you provided false promises and information. But the incantation STILL failed, and so you started pumping the activities of his associates, etc..

Until now, when you advocate the gawsuit (which absolutely does not exist in any actual form: Shinners didn't even ask for those affidavits to be notarized ffs, and he's supposedly going to hand them all off to some law firm which has NO contact with ANY of the non-notarized affiants? Are you fucking kidding? The lawyers would be *lucky* if the judge immediately threw it out, the judge could sanction them on the spot, forget just referral to the bar) and this ion nonsense.

You have always been wrong, and you have consistently made war on those who were actually right. Instead of recanting, you simply chalk it up to egos, saying you couldn't back down because tempers ran too hot and it would be too embarrassing to admit that you are an idiot.

And saying, by the way, that you are also responsible does not actually diminish JG's culpability at all. Because, moron, if two people are involved in the same murder, they don't each get "half-sentences." Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about but you are incapable of shutting your mouth.

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April 19, 2016, 12:35:08 PM
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I doubt it's really you. But no, Homero only deserves 50% of a life sentence, you deserve the other half for being complicit in fraud. Especially when you were dumping while pumping.

Can you explain how you did technical analysis on Homero and the caf? Did you trace his vest?  Did you get a lobotomy first? Or were you born with a disability?

The criminal JG must be very pleased to find his victims only consider him 50% responsible. He must be laughing holding the 100% of BTC he gained from the scam.

If your logic is correct, then every victim was complicit in the fraud. JG must be very happy with this analysis. Maybe he'll even use it in court as his defence, if it ever gets that far.

I doubt Josh is holding anything. He immediately frittered it all away in the same ostentatious displays of his nouveau riches that attracted you to his scam in the first place.

Jets, Cars and hotels, even when rented, do not come cheap. Neither does maintaining an entourage or paying the salaries of the people who staff the front you called a company so you can make-believe you are a CEO.


You see a "particularly clever scammer", I see a serial con-man who is so chronically unable to fulfill even basic life obligations that it bubbles over into his associates like an outbreak of the plague. In other words, the "clever scam" here is simply how he spent so much stupid  money like a drunken sailor that he managed to attract other people who wanted to do the same thing, if only because JG wasn't really so different than them, so why shouldn't they also have what he does?

So it's really hollow to see you here, fondling your empty bag and bemoaning how his is full. Actually, no, his is empty. AS IT ALWAYS WAS. It only temporarily appeared full because the money that was previously in *your* bag passed through it, and that money only changed hands because you wanted, via sympathetic magic, for your bag to be able to shit money like his did.

And you act like a passive victim when you were cheerleading all along, asking others to pass money through JG's bag in the hopes that such an activity would transform your bag, and when that sorcery still inexplicably failed to work, you provided false promises and information. But the incantation STILL failed, and so you started pumping the activities of his associates, etc..

Until now, when you advocate the gawsuit (which absolutely does not exist in any actual form: Shinners didn't even ask for those affidavits to be notarized ffs, and he's supposedly going to hand them all off to some law firm which has NO contact with ANY of the non-notarized affiants? Are you fucking kidding? The lawyers would be *lucky* if the judge immediately threw it out, the judge could sanction them on the spot, forget just referral to the bar) and this ion nonsense.

You have always been wrong, and you have consistently made war on those who were actually right. Instead of recanting, you simply chalk it up to egos, saying you couldn't back down because tempers ran too hot and it would be too embarrassing to admit that you are an idiot.

And saying, by the way, that you are also responsible does not actually diminish JG's culpability at all. Because, moron, if two people are involved in the same murder, they don't each get "half-sentences." Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about but you are incapable of shutting your mouth.



I personally consider him a "particularly clever scammer" because he was the first to pull the wool over my eyes. Yup, I was a fool.

To be honest, it was personal greed that lost me my BTC. I deserved it. Lesson learned. I had several very good coin investments in a row - I got complacent.

Anyone who knew it was a scam was complicit. That does not include me nor pretty much all other victims either.

As to what he did with his ill gotten gains, I can only guess. Will justice be done? I hope so.
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April 19, 2016, 12:37:19 PM
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I doubt it's really you. But no, Homero only deserves 50% of a life sentence, you deserve the other half for being complicit in fraud. Especially when you were dumping while pumping.

Can you explain how you did technical analysis on Homero and the caf? Did you trace his vest?  Did you get a lobotomy first? Or were you born with a disability?

The criminal JG must be very pleased to find his victims only consider him 50% responsible. He must be laughing holding the 100% of BTC he gained from the scam.

If your logic is correct, then every victim was complicit in the fraud. JG must be very happy with this analysis. Maybe he'll even use it in court as his defence, if it ever gets that far.

As for regular people who sold out at a profit - and there were a lot of them... I am truly pleased for them. They made a good trade and averted a complete loss. Unfortunately, I was not one of them. (although I wish I was)

First I'm not a victim, second, yes, gawtards should be prosecuted for stupidity.

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April 19, 2016, 02:07:40 PM
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So Mr-Coins, do you believe POW is dead and the future of crypto is a centralized coin created by a team that has a proven track record of failure? Please explain why POW is dead and the benefits of a centralized coin controlled by an entity that time and time again proved their ignorance in keeping people's funds secure. Please, please, please how and why ION is revolutionary. Please, please, please.

And please keep on with the "I'm the victim" bullshit, it's quite comical! Is the SEC going to be approving ION as well?

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April 19, 2016, 02:46:20 PM
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Just because I was wrong, and I lost a ton of money, that does not mean I have no right to speak.

I was wrong. I paid for it. A lot of people were wrong. They paid for it.

There is one person that has paid nothing yet. JG.

There is a massive difference between being wrong and what you did.

I use social media like everyone else. I post/tweet/share what I am doing, just like everyone else. That's what social media generally is.

To accept twitter users (and there were a lot of them) share the responsibility of JG really eases the load off JG.

For me, JG is 100% responsible for his intent to steal.

Absolutely. And you are 100% responsible for promoting that fraud. SEC approval - that wasn't tweeting about something you were "doing", it was something you made up to pump XPY.

You keep whining that you lost money but I haven't seen you take any responsibility for blatant lying and aggressive shilling. You just came back to shill some more for ION as if nothing happened.

Nice try playing the victim however you've shown yourself to be a militant pump'n'dumper working hand-in-hand with known scammers. Perhaps your goal now is to discredit ION by associating with them, in which case - well done. Keep it up.

I personally consider him a "particularly clever scammer" because he was the first to pull the wool over my eyes. Yup, I was a fool.

To be honest, it was personal greed that lost me my BTC. I deserved it. Lesson learned. I had several very good coin investments in a row - I got complacent.

Anyone who knew it was a scam was complicit. That does not include me nor pretty much all other victims either.


As to what he did with his ill gotten gains, I can only guess. Will justice be done? I hope so.

So based on the highlighted statement e.g. bitpop was complicit and you were not?

That's probably a half dozen fallacies in two short sentences. I hope you're just trolling us because a real person who thinks like that would be a danger to anyone around them.
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All of his comments are nothing but logical fallacies. Written like a true scammer he side steps every question and promotes his own agenda. He was asked the same questions 3-4 times and never once actually answered the question. He went straight to the "I'm the victim here guys" response.

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April 19, 2016, 03:08:56 PM
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Oh, no, no, no!

The fact that JG is 100% responsible precludes anyone else from having any other responsibility whatsoever.

You see, MrCoins can't be responsible for lying about SEC approval (a subject he continually elides), nor can he be responsible for continuing to disseminate lies even now (like promoting the gawsuit which is plainly false).

Nope.

You see, he was just "wrong" and he lost money. So he's a victim.

You know, just like if you are a getaway driver in a bank robbery, and you get double-crossed out of your share of the robbery proceeds, you're entirely innocent of anything! You won't do any prison time because you didn't actually rob the bank yourself, and since the "real" bank robbers have all the money, you're out of pocket for the gas and car! A victim! You see!

Nope, criminally-speaking, such a person would walk free. We couldn't do anything to him without lessening the criminal culpability of the others. Just like how if five people rob a bank together, they each can only do 2 years if the maximum sentence for bank robbery is ten years. You know, basic math.

And morally-speaking, we should feel sorry for him! He "lost" money in the sense that not only did he fail to receive money stolen from others, he completely lost his initial seed money that was supposed to help fund that robbery as well! How horrible!

Look, yes, people TOLD him that he was participating in a bank robbery. But, look, they were REALLY mean about it! And he couldn't admit they were right, that he was indeed indulging in criminality, because that would have been really embarrassing. So, honestly, he *HAD* to drive the getaway car, and basically it's really the fault of everyone who vehemently told him NOT to do it, because they were so harsh it was easier to just go along with it. Oh, and the "real" robbers too!

I mean, don't you spend all your time wondering what they did with their ill-gotten wealth? What they spent it on? How they are living now? Wouldn't it be great if I got a part of that too.I FEEL SO BAD FOR ALL THE VICTIMS, OF WHICH I AM ONE. Thinking of all the money they got? How full their bag is when compared to my empty one?I AM NOT AT ALL JEALOUS OF SUCH HORRIBLE BEHAVIOR, WHICH IS NOT MY FAULT AND CAN ONLY BE DIMINISHED BY ME ACCEPTING ANY BLAME.

Or, you know, simply not pumping any crypto-scheme ever again. That's too much to ask. Free Speech. It's not HIS fault that people believed his lies on social media and bought into XPY. You see, Josh is a criminal...because, like, people believed his lies...on social media... and bought XPY....



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April 19, 2016, 03:42:34 PM
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I came along for some reasonable discussion, and as I expected, just got abuse.

I'm not whining I lost money - I blame myself and my greed. How many times do I have to say this?

I've made plenty of money on other coins. You can't win them all. But being scammed was a new experience. I learnt something from it and I hope everyone else did too or you are at risk of it happening again.

I do not consider tweeting about my investments as "promotion". Otherwise, I was one of many hundreds of people "promoting" the scam.

If anyone wishes to conduct a reasonable discussion, then I am game. If not, thanks for your time Smiley
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People tried to have a reasonable conversation with you but you dodged the questions and put on the "I'm a victim here" mask. Try answering the tough questions instead of dancing around them for 4 posts. That makes people frustrated.

You may not see your tweets as promotion but many others do. "I didn't know" isn't an excuse.

So, reasonable conversation requested: So do you feel that POW mining is dead? Since you are such a huge supporter and fan of ION. If POw mining is dead, why are you mining ethereum? Also, what aspects of the coin make it so revolutionary from the coin it was cloned from.

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April 19, 2016, 04:10:49 PM
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If I missed any questions, then please post them again. I have not intentionally "dodged" anything as I have nothing to dodge. Of course, I am not going to walk into a deliberate attack/tirade of abuse as I have better things to do with my time, but I always have time for reasonable discussion.
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If I missed any questions, then please post them again. I have not intentionally "dodged" anything as I have nothing to dodge. Of course, I am not going to walk into a deliberate attack/tirade of abuse as I have better things to do with my time, but I always have time for reasonable discussion.

There are questions right above your post.

Also this: did you or did you not lie about SEC approval?

Your tone complaints are hilarious considering your own tone. If you want to have a discussion stop complaining about discussion, it's inevitably going to have some things in it that you're not going to like. Otherwise it would be cheerleading and look where that got you.
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XPY is dead.
http://www.talkxpy.com/topic/1445/forum-shutdown-imminent


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April 19, 2016, 04:27:21 PM
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If I missed any questions, then please post them again. I have not intentionally "dodged" anything as I have nothing to dodge. Of course, I am not going to walk into a deliberate attack/tirade of abuse as I have better things to do with my time, but I always have time for reasonable discussion.

There are questions right above your post.

Also this: did you or did you not lie about SEC approval?

Your tone complaints are hilarious considering your own tone. If you want to have a discussion stop complaining about discussion, it's inevitably going to have some things in it that you're not going to like. Otherwise it would be cheerleading and look where that got you.

The only information I had was on the public forums (hashtalk?) and already being tweeted by others.

I just tweeted news that was already said. I was not part of any internal workings of GAW and never professed to do so. I tweeted/retweeted the same stuff (now known to be lies) as everyone else. Whether it be from a forum or a tweet.
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If I missed any questions, then please post them again. I have not intentionally "dodged" anything as I have nothing to dodge. Of course, I am not going to walk into a deliberate attack/tirade of abuse as I have better things to do with my time, but I always have time for reasonable discussion.

There are questions right above your post.

Also this: did you or did you not lie about SEC approval?

Your tone complaints are hilarious considering your own tone. If you want to have a discussion stop complaining about discussion, it's inevitably going to have some things in it that you're not going to like. Otherwise it would be cheerleading and look where that got you.

The only information I had was on the public forums and already being tweeted.

I just tweeted news that was already said. I was not part of any internal workings of GAW and never professed to do so. I tweeted/retweeted the same stuff as everyone else. Whether it be from a forum or a tweet.

That doesn't answer any of the questions. See why you're being lambasted here for being evasive?

So do you feel that POW mining is dead?
If POw mining is dead, why are you mining ethereum?
Also, what aspects of the coin make it so revolutionary from the coin it was cloned from.

And:

did you or did you not lie about SEC approval?

Your post above seemed to imply that you didn't lie but retweeted "same stuff as everyone else". Can you show us the origin of that "SEC approval" tweet? News article? Something?
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