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April 20, 2016, 05:59:45 PM
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This Mr. Coins guy is hilarious.

X coin looks really good. It will rise in value. This is not investment advice.

Y coin will be approved by the SEC. This is not a statement of fact.

I love turtles. In no way should this statement suggest that I love turtles.

"X coin looks really good" is not equal to "Go spend your money on X coin"

"Y coin will be approved by the SEC" is not equal to "Will Y coin get approved by the SEC?"

"I love turtles" is not equal to "Go buy yourself some turtles"
 
It's no wonder people lose money if they read the former and do the latter.

I cant stop people throwing their money away if they want to. If someone throws away their BTC, it's not my problem.
But, I will happily be held accountable for every single BTC someone sends me.

You literally wrote, "Paycoin will be the ONLY coin that is APPROVED by the SEC"
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April 20, 2016, 06:07:00 PM
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This Mr. Coins guy is hilarious.

X coin looks really good. It will rise in value. This is not investment advice.

Y coin will be approved by the SEC. This is not a statement of fact.

I love turtles. In no way should this statement suggest that I love turtles.

"X coin looks really good" is not equal to "Go spend your money on X coin"

"Y coin will be approved by the SEC" is not equal to "Will Y coin get approved by the SEC?"

"I love turtles" is not equal to "Go buy yourself some turtles"
 
It's no wonder people lose money if they read the former and do the latter.

I cant stop people throwing their money away if they want to. If someone throws away their BTC, it's not my problem.
But, I will happily be held accountable for every single BTC someone sends me.

You literally wrote, "Paycoin will be the ONLY coin that is APPROVED by the SEC"

Isn't English great? How you can change meaning by leaving out context, question marks and the likes. But anyway, why go to all this effort?

Well it was a scam you see. Everything was BS. Everything I read, everything everyone told me, was all bollocks.

I get it. I was wrong. I made a mistake. It was a crap investment. I got robbed.

I understand. When can we move on to other coins? LOL
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April 20, 2016, 06:09:08 PM
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So if you learned a lesson as you say, can we expect that you will not be mindlessly shilling for "ION" as you did for paycoin? "Learning" a lesson is not sufficient if you do not actually apply the information that you've learned to future actions and decisions.


You seem to be confused about the lesson I learned, let me spell it out.

The lesson I learned is not:

- Never invest in another coin

The lesson I learned is:

- Trust no-one, you can be scammed at any time, don't let greed blind you

The lesson everyone should learn is.... Do your own research, be careful with your money, there are people waiting to take it from you. If in doubt, cash out.

Why don't you tweet this all out as your final tweet ever then and STFU about cryptocurrency, which you obviously don't understand?

Adam Matlack 1/5/2014: "Not but 30 seconds later, the Holy Spirit slapped me upside the head and said "what are you thinkin'? What are you doin'?" It was an emphatic "NO". And I got - just guilt started to cover me"
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April 20, 2016, 06:19:07 PM
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So if you learned a lesson as you say, can we expect that you will not be mindlessly shilling for "ION" as you did for paycoin? "Learning" a lesson is not sufficient if you do not actually apply the information that you've learned to future actions and decisions.


You seem to be confused about the lesson I learned, let me spell it out.

The lesson I learned is not:

- Never invest in another coin

The lesson I learned is:

- Trust no-one, you can be scammed at any time, don't let greed blind you

The lesson everyone should learn is.... Do your own research, be careful with your money, there are people waiting to take it from you. If in doubt, cash out.

Why don't you tweet this all out as your final tweet ever then and STFU about cryptocurrency, which you obviously don't understand?

I have no intention of giving up twitter or cryptocurrency. Why should I? If you don't like my tweets, then unfollow me. I do not expect to please everyone.

But, I didn't mean to upset you. This is the lesson I learned. Also, surely you agree that everyone should be careful how they invest? They should be aware who they are sending their money to and also not get too confident that they cannot be scammed - because they can be wrong.
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April 20, 2016, 06:21:32 PM
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did you or do you get shit for those other coins? MOON, MINT, BOOM, BLACKCOIN

i think your approach with xpy was slightly different
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April 20, 2016, 06:26:21 PM
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did you or do you get shit for those other coins? MOON, MINT, BOOM, BLACKCOIN

i think your approach with xpy was slightly different

And yes, I did get a lot of shit! They were all called scams from the start. I think in the end, BOOM did turn out to be a scam, but not until long after I left.

I've not been involved in a coin that was not called a scam at the start. I even read ETH is a scam. So, in the end, hearing a coin is a scam does not mean anything, it seems ALL coins are branded scams at the start. I have not found one that wasn't.

My approach was the same, exactly the same. I get very enthusiastic about my investments and I am not convinced this is a bad thing as yet.

Some call ALL altcoins a scam, just because they are altcoins. Now we can debate what the word "scam" means to find if something is a scam.

For me, a scam is a scheme/plan designed from the outset with the primary INTENT to steal money from someone through means of DECEPTION, FRAUD, LIES.

A scheme/plan/coin that fails due to bad execution or planning I would not consider a scam. More a bad investment.

For me, personally, the INTENT is extremely important .
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April 20, 2016, 06:43:00 PM
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i agree bad execution doesnt mean a scam. hence why people already raised some questions about this ion thing (for one apple/gplay store terms of service issues)

btw no one has forgotten JG. eagerly waiting for him to get deported back to his roots in mexico where he meets a friendly cocaine dealer. i guess prison is fine too  Cool
he was a total moron tho and needed a lot of help to run the ponzi (clear from the leaked emails). these iON people are still working with some of the tech people (mordica for example) who knew they were selling air
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April 20, 2016, 06:43:17 PM
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Looks like there is nothing of value here. I tried.

Before you go.

One question.

Is ION a scam or not?

He doesn't care one way or another. If he sees an opportunity to profit he will promote and shill for it till he has extracted every bit of profit he can out. Why do you think he came back to XPY? He lost money to Garza so he saw an opportunity to come back and milk back those losses for the "dumber than him" crowd.

Does anyone care what I think?

I trade for profits, anyone who doesn't will eventually lose all their money.

The markets are full of people that will gleefully take your BTC. They are called traders.

You must ALWAYS trade carefully or you will lose your shirt.
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April 20, 2016, 06:50:17 PM
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i agree bad execution doesnt mean a scam. hence why people already raised some questions about this ion thing (for one apple/gplay store terms of service issues)

btw no one has forgotten JG. eagerly waiting for him to get deported back to his roots in mexico where he meets a friendly cocaine dealer. i guess prison is fine too  Cool
he was a total moron tho and needed a lot of help to run the ponzi (clear from the leaked emails). these iON people are still working with some of the tech people (mordica for example) who knew they were selling air

What makes you think Mordica is involved?

Is there a specific thread/location I can follow the updates/whereabouts of Garza? I'm sure there must be one out there somewhere.
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April 20, 2016, 07:11:07 PM
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You don't know if Satoshi wasn't wearing a vest, do you know him personally? And you are right, bitcoin is also not used by criminals and fraudsters. It is the example for all coins.

Cayuga,

Is IONOMY a scam?

Imho the coin, the website, the platform, the games, everything is not designed as a scam. When I read about EDON I saw red flags written all over it. Here in BCT all ICO's are called scam, so no news to me. But we can discuss it in the ION thread if you want.
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April 20, 2016, 07:11:14 PM
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this thread gets updated once a while but justice is slow. here is the latest:


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April 20, 2016, 07:21:40 PM
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However, I am not the only one who quit over $ 12 because we "SCREAMED" "WARNING!!! SCAM!!!". I think the main difference is, MrCoins believed and trusted into this (you could discuss here about inteligence, but it is not scamming), not sure if he got out over $10, I am somehow sure he did not, MrCoins, did you?

I don't know if he's lacking intelligence or not but he claims to have learnt his lesson and then shrills for Ionomy. I can't understand it.

Ionomy now has it's own thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1443633

I may or may not lack intelligence. But do not underestimate what greed can do to your sensible side. I was blinded by it. I am not ashamed to admit it. If I did not admit this to myself, then I will be burned again for the same reason. Lesson learned.

Thanks for the thread, i'll check it out.
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April 20, 2016, 07:50:28 PM
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Looks like there is nothing of value here. I tried.
Before you go.

One question.

Is ION a scam or not?

Scam as in "wilful intent to defraud investors" or scam as in "poor business plan"? The word is thrown about so much, we should agree on a definition.

Tell me the reason why you think it is, and i'll check it out.

It's easier to prove something "IS" something than to prove something is "NOT" something.

You know, the whole "proving a negative" thing.

It takes only a single fact to prove a positive.

If someone wants to PM me the reasons, that's fine too. Also, as I see, this is probably the wrong thread for the discussion so I do apologise, but this is where the question was asked. (If I should continue on the other thread, please tell me and I will do so)
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April 20, 2016, 09:28:31 PM
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I don't see why it could t continue here, it is an extension of XPY which is an extension of Garza and that is what this thread is about. It's up to the ION crew to differentiate themselves. And right now they are doing a piss poor job of that. $0.20 ICO? Come on $20 floor much? Increased staking for certain investors. Huge pre-mine. Clone POS coin with no new features. Masternodes = Prime Controllers. Electrifying stakers...Red Rocket Boost much? It's he same damn thing as XPY just under a different name.

If they want people to take this seriously they should start fresh, AGAIN and make it NOTHING like Garza or XPY. You see why almost everyone but 200 people in the crypto sphere think it's a scam? They have a lot to prove, the onus is on them.

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April 20, 2016, 09:33:02 PM
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I don't see why it could t continue here, it is an extension of XPY which is an extension of Garza and that is what this thread is about. It's up to the ION crew to differentiate themselves. And right now they are doing a piss poor job of that. $0.20 ICO? Come on $20 floor much? Increased staking for certain investors. Huge pre-mine. Clone POS coin with no new features. Masternodes = Prime Controllers. Electrifying stakers...Red Rocket Boost much? It's he same damn thing as XPY just under a different name.

If they want people to take this seriously they should start fresh, AGAIN and make it NOTHING like Garza or XPY. You see why almost everyone but 200 people in the crypto sphere think it's a scam? They have a lot to prove, the onus is on them.

I'm certain Garza has nothing to do with this, he is a wanted man by many including most involved in this project. If that's being given as the main "proof" that it's a scam, then it's too weak and of course, untrue. Please tell me as many reasons as you can. I will find out.

Some guys here in this thread are very knowledgable so I hope they see my request, and tell me the reasons they think need to be looked at, I can and will do this thoroughly.

Again, if anyone wants to keep their reasons private, then PM me. It's within my interests to investigate every reason.
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April 20, 2016, 11:27:15 PM
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Updated my twitter profile:

"Nothing I say is investment advice. Don't copy my trades or investments. I'm often wrong."

https://twitter.com/CryptoDabbler

I'm now covered for both BCT and Twitter Smiley

You already led many to slaughter, you stopped us from helping some, your approved tweet became a meme for shitcoins

He is sucking you into his vortex of slime. Ignore for sanity.

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April 21, 2016, 12:59:31 AM
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This Mr. Coins guy is hilarious.

X coin looks really good. It will rise in value. This is not investment advice.

Y coin will be approved by the SEC. This is not a statement of fact.

I love turtles. In no way should this statement suggest that I love turtles.

"X coin looks really good" is not equal to "Go spend your money on X coin"

"Y coin will be approved by the SEC" is not equal to "Will Y coin get approved by the SEC?"

"I love turtles" is not equal to "Go buy yourself some turtles"
 
It's no wonder people lose money if they read the former and do the latter.

I cant stop people throwing their money away if they want to. If someone throws away their BTC, it's not my problem.
But, I will happily be held accountable for every single BTC someone sends me.

You can't really have it both ways. I mean you sound intelligent enough to craft a message that sounds like a pump, repeatedly, multiple observers interpret it as such, and a year later you plead ignorance. All I'm saying is that I'm siding with Occam's razor on this one. You're a pump'n'dumper, perhaps you got burned by Garza, dogs and fleas and all that, but that's really a weak excuse.

I'll give you credit for coming here though.
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April 21, 2016, 01:01:10 AM
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What makes you think Mordica is involved?

He's the guy posing with Garza in a picture of a warehouse pretending that it's a mining farm.
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April 21, 2016, 01:49:08 AM
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However, I am not the only one who quit over $ 12 because we "SCREAMED" "WARNING!!! SCAM!!!". I think the main difference is, MrCoins believed and trusted into this (you could discuss here about inteligence, but it is not scamming), not sure if he got out over $10, I am somehow sure he did not, MrCoins, did you?

I don't know if he's lacking intelligence or not but he claims to have learnt his lesson and then shrills for Ionomy. I can't understand it.

Ionomy now has it's own thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1443633

I may or may not lack intelligence. But do not underestimate what greed can do to your sensible side. I was blinded by it. I am not ashamed to admit it. If I did not admit this to myself, then I will be burned again for the same reason. Lesson learned.

Thanks for the thread, i'll check it out.

You should also check out the new cypto-community at crypto-city.com MrCoins.
The unique ethics and skills you have will match very well with the creators of the site.

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April 21, 2016, 05:53:52 AM
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This Mr. Coins guy is hilarious.

X coin looks really good. It will rise in value. This is not investment advice.

Y coin will be approved by the SEC. This is not a statement of fact.

I love turtles. In no way should this statement suggest that I love turtles.

"X coin looks really good" is not equal to "Go spend your money on X coin"

"Y coin will be approved by the SEC" is not equal to "Will Y coin get approved by the SEC?"

"I love turtles" is not equal to "Go buy yourself some turtles"
 
It's no wonder people lose money if they read the former and do the latter.

I cant stop people throwing their money away if they want to. If someone throws away their BTC, it's not my problem.
But, I will happily be held accountable for every single BTC someone sends me.

You can't really have it both ways. I mean you sound intelligent enough to craft a message that sounds like a pump, repeatedly, multiple observers interpret it as such, and a year later you plead ignorance. All I'm saying is that I'm siding with Occam's razor on this one. You're a pump'n'dumper, perhaps you got burned by Garza, dogs and fleas and all that, but that's really a weak excuse.

I'll give you credit for coming here though.

Occam's razor, one of my favourites for cutting through noise!

My behaviour on all my investments has been consistent. I get positively excited by my investments, so I say positive things, I look for positive angles, I tell people about them. This is what I have done with all of them. I report on what I do, think, feel.

Unlike a pumper and dumper (and it is a strategy used by many), I do not act positively while I think negative or the converse. You will see, on all my previous coin investments. I do not run a trading service that instructs people to buy or sell. But I have been known to tell people what I am doing and why. It's social media, some people post what's in their sandwich. Also unlike a pumper and dumper, i'd have to sell my holding. I did not, I held it all the way until I swapped it last week.

Regardless of what happens on public forums, online etc... I believe a persons INTENT defines them. It's OK to be wrong, but in the end, if your intent is bad, the universe WILL find a way to settle the score.

So, back to Occam's razor....

The simplest explanation is I did the same with XPY as I did with all my prior coin investments. The difference with XPY is it turned to be a scam.

I thought XPY was real, I thought Cantor Fitzgerald would not get involved in a scam, I thought JG previous reported successes were real, I thought major holders on the leaderboards who had direct access to JG would have noticed if it was a scam, all this turned out to be BS and from all my investments, they really had me hook-line and sinker.

There is no conspiracy theory here for me.

It was simple. JG got me, I was scammed. I lost a ton of money along with hundreds of others.

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