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April 23, 2016, 02:20:49 PM
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For me it looks we stucked here  Roll Eyes

Let me clear my point:
1. What will change if details about company are public, yes this information would be and should be public, but what does it really change, like ie. who of you send them flowers and who visited mordica and co and their headquarters which was at this time an obvious scam Smiley ? Anybody? What did it change on scam except that they tried to make it look legal and my friends, exactly this was the reason why so many people outside of crypto trusted this Mexican Sobrero. Now I don't understand, if they are scam why should they be geniuine?

2. I see here some that were on hashtalk too, I see them here being very clever but if I remember hashtalk time, lol Smiley . Now some try to find Ganzas role in MrCoins, seriously???

3. Here only bitpop said something that is important to discuss about, the rest that you try to convince MrCoins, for me its just trashtalk. Point is, MrCoins, what would you say, what is your responsibility for making promotion for them and how important was such thing for an scam like ganza did? What can you do now about it (question to everybody)? What do you think others are expecting from you, here and on ionomy? I remember MrCoins saying in this thread, he will take responsibility of every btc that was sent to him.

4.  MrCoins made bunch of btc with other coins, whatever you say, for me he seems to have learned more than many of us, so far about investment knowledge or luck, whatever you call it. Now everybody who continues this stupid discussion "what did you learn", tell me first what should have he learned, he wade with couple btc hunderds of btc with other coins, is this the experience he is asked here?

5. Ionomy, why is it discussed here, only because they caused death of xpy?
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did you or did you not lie about SEC approval?

Your post above seemed to imply that you didn't lie but retweeted "same stuff as everyone else". Can you show us the origin of that "SEC approval" tweet? News article? Something?

Are you implying that people believe the very first mention of SEC approval was from one of my tweets? If so, which one? I will try to locate the source of information. But one thing I can guarantee is that I didn't just "make it up". I read it from somewhere public whether it be from a forum or tweet.

In any case, what would I know about SEC approval? I was never a primary source for "news", I didn't work for GAW and never claimed that I did.

Why don't you just answer the question. If you didn't make it up then it should be very easy to show the source.

https://twitter.com/CryptoDabbler/status/581066951583248384

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I can't take it anymore!!!!!

REPRISE:

http://i.imgur.com/gZIs0IL.jpg

Now this did actually make me giggle!! hehe!

I'm glad we can see the funny side. But also this is serious business too. We need to stay objective in order for what we think/say to be worth anything and I do appreciate that some here are doing that.

I have no conclusion at this time, it's so early and I am still doing my own research.
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Just a quick note. ION is semi-ontopic here, I'll update the title soon-ish to get rid of Carmelo and put ionomy in it. I think it's fine to discuss how ION relates to Garza's "legacy" and all that. For a more in-depth discussion on ION whitepaper and all the awesome innovations (LOL) please visit their official thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1443633

How this is related to XPY?


Best regards.

XPY is being officially exchanged to ION at an 8:1 ratio. ION is developed by the same group of people who promised to develop XPY and failed. ION is a pre-mined shitcoin just like XPY. Is that good enough for you?

This isn't entirely accurate.

1) There was a swap offer for XPY.io holders to exchange their XPY to ION. It was optional. XPY still exists (and may be further developed by the XPY devs). Some kept their XPY. Most XPY.io users swapped their XPY. The offer was for users of the platform.

2) XPY.io did not fail as a platform because it was a bad platform. It was other factors including broken XPY coin code (not developed by XPY.io), XPY history permanently tainted from Garza scam, and the likes. XPY as a coin was dead. As a platform, XPY.io has been successful. Never hacked, never lost coins, hundreds of active users etc.

3) ION is not developed by the same developers that developed XPY/PayCoin. ION is developed by the developers of XPY.io, the platform. Don't confuse the developers of XPY (the coin) and XPY.io (the platform), they are completely separate groups of people.

It would be false to say ION is XPY re-launched.

1) It looks like you're saying the same thing. XPY is (or was) indeed exchanged to ION at an 8:1 rate. Which part of my statement are you saying "isn't entirely accurate"?

2) And it took them a year+ to realize that? In what way is that not a failure?

3) +1 for mental gymnastics but that doesn't change anything. People who worked on a failed coin or platform or whatever you want to call it for a year without realizing that it's doomed can't be trusted by default. Let them develop their ionomy using a bank loan and then sell shares in a totally legit functioning uber-innovative business. How's that for an idea? VC sharks should be queuing up outside Matlack's door as we speak.

Oh that's right. Crypto is different. Because building a proper business is too much hassle.

Hi Suchmoon,

I acknowledge that you have not claimed ION / Ionomy as a scam.

1) You said XPY is being "officially exchanged". That may imply so some that ALL XPY is being exchanged automatically. ION is a separate coin and blockchain. The exchange is (or was) an "offer" to existing XPY.io customers. The offer was not to XPY (the coin) holders, just to XPY.io (the platform) users.

2) I agree. There are varying levels of failure. The platform could not succeed with XPY as it's "core" coin. XPY is rotten, and it doesn't work and well, the list goes on with whats wrong with it.

3) Many people who run successful businesses first ran unsuccessful businesses. The experience is valuable. A prior "fail" can often be followed by "success".

Crypto is different in a sense as every venture is EXTREMELY HIGH RISK, even if BTC is your core. So, once we get beyond the "ION = XPY = SCAM" claims, we can start looking at all the other REAL potential problems such as those with the model, structure and planning.

I hope we can get beyond the "block" we (not specifically you) are at so we can look at the other parts sometime.
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For me it looks we stucked here  Roll Eyes

Let me clear my point:
1. What will change if details about company are public, yes this information would be and should be public, but what does it really change, like ie. who of you send them flowers and who visited mordica and co and their headquarters which was at this time an obvious scam Smiley ? Anybody? What did it change on scam except that they tried to make it look legal and my friends, exactly this was the reason why so many people outside of crypto trusted this Mexican Sobrero. Now I don't understand, if they are scam why should they be geniuine?

2. I see here some that were on hashtalk too, I see them here being very clever but if I remember hashtalk time, lol Smiley . Now some try to find Ganzas role in MrCoins, seriously???

3. Here only bitpop said something that is important to discuss about, the rest that you try to convince MrCoins, for me its just trashtalk. Point is, MrCoins, what would you say, what is your responsibility for making promotion for them and how important was such thing for an scam like ganza did? What can you do now about it (question to everybody)? What do you think others are expecting from you, here and on ionomy? I remember MrCoins saying in this thread, he will take responsibility of every btc that was sent to him.

4.  MrCoins made bunch of btc with other coins, whatever you say, for me he seems to have learned more than many of us, so far about investment knowledge or luck, whatever you call it. Now everybody who continues this stupid discussion "what did you learn", tell me first what should have he learned, he wade with couple btc hunderds of btc with other coins, is this the experience he is asked here?

5. Ionomy, why is it discussed here, only because they caused death of xpy?


hello boki15,

I know your post is not directed to me but i'd like to share with you some of my thoughts.

1) I've stated already that the company information that I got in that it's existing company and the name change is not showing yet, so the company is setup since 2014 as the company is the existing platform XPY.io. But to me, the company is no indicator of whether this is a scam or not. It's easy to setup a company, in the UK I can spend £20 to setup a legit company structure with no liability for losses. So the company info for me is not very important or meaningful in terms of honest intent.

2) hashtalk had a lot of users, maybe thousands. I think many are embarrassed by their GAW losses and look to blame others but for me, the lesson was to realise that I was responsible for my loss and to face it. We were scammed, but, we know crypto is high risk always. Also, some people who were close to JG (like co workers, friends, investors) may be more hurt and embarrassed by the scam. I expect there was no way they could know the moment his intent turned bad. It is difficult to accept. I do not consider JG friends, co-workers, close investors to be scammers just because he fooled them too.

3) As for promotion of XPY, well it was no more than I did for MOON, MINT, BLACKCOIN, BOOM etc. It is what I do. I tweet about my investments and my chart analysis. Sometimes I am wrong, sometimes I am right. I do not offer promotion services (like some), I simply tweet what I do and think. I'm sometimes wrong. But so is everyone. I have not tweeted about ION / Ionomy yet, did anyone notice this?

4) Like many others, I made a lot of BTC in altcoins, they can be very lucrative even though they are risky. Everyone in blackcoin community knows what a large holder I was from 250 sats - i held millions of BlackCoins from the start. I tweeted out for everyone to buy. I made near a LOT of BTC just from BlackCoin at one point. Some people dislike me because I made profits. Some people do not like to see others succeed. I understand this. I am a trader and I trade to make profits. XPY was one coin that was a total loss for me (except I exchanged my XPY for ION so it's not over yet!). So I have an interest in Ionomy and my base opinion is that it can't be worse than XPY, the idea/model seems interesting and the XPY.io platform was quite cool.

I am still here because there are some good people here and I gain value from their views such as suchoon, bitpop and you too boki!
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seems I missed some pages... can we got back to the facts?

what's the Data for Ganzas trial?

http://ia601307.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.ctd.110362/gov.uscourts.ctd.110362.docket.html

I'm going to put this in the OP as well. (edit: done)
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seems I missed some pages... can we got back to the facts?

what's the Data for Ganzas trial?

http://ia601307.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.ctd.110362/gov.uscourts.ctd.110362.docket.html

I'm going to put this in the OP as well.

Nice info - this is one reason why i'm staying!

I've been getting varying and contradictory feedback on the gawsuit.com as to whether it can succeed or is even real.

Do you have any opinion on the gawsuit.com process as it stands now?
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April 23, 2016, 05:06:30 PM
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1) I've stated already that the company information that I got in that it's existing company and the name change is not showing yet, so the company is setup since 2014 as the company is the existing platform XPY.io. But to me, the company is no indicator of whether this is a scam or not. It's easy to setup a company, in the UK I can spend £20 to setup a legit company structure with no liability for losses. So the company info for me is not very important or meaningful in terms of honest intent.
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Right, so the fact remains that when they stated Ionomy PTE was a company registered in Singapore they lied.

What is worse is that they use that lie to entice people to buy in to their ICO.

You keep asserting it makes no difference if they are registered or not, I will continue to assert that when you claim to be representing a legal entity for the purpose of soliciting funding that it seems very likely you are committing fraud.

Now, having refused to divulge this information themselves & used you to direct people to their slack channel it is again you who comes back & provides this new information.

Shill, much?

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seems I missed some pages... can we got back to the facts?

what's the Data for Ganzas trial?

http://ia601307.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.ctd.110362/gov.uscourts.ctd.110362.docket.html

I'm going to put this in the OP as well.

Nice info - this is one reason why i'm staying!

I've been getting varying and contradictory feedback on the gawsuit.com as to whether it can succeed or is even real.

Do you have any opinion on the gawsuit.com process as it stands now?

Considering that the guy running the "gawsuit" is business partners with the guy who ran the data center that didn't contain any hashlets or pay their electricity bill or do anything but rob rubes, I'm guessing it will go about as swimmingly as every other GAW-project.
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1) I've stated already that the company information that I got in that it's existing company and the name change is not showing yet, so the company is setup since 2014 as the company is the existing platform XPY.io. But to me, the company is no indicator of whether this is a scam or not. It's easy to setup a company, in the UK I can spend £20 to setup a legit company structure with no liability for losses. So the company info for me is not very important or meaningful in terms of honest intent.
!

Right, so the fact remains that when they stated Ionomy PTE was a company registered in Singapore they lied.

What is worse is that they use that lie to entice people to buy in to their ICO.

You keep asserting it makes no difference if they are registered or not, I will continue to assert that when you claim to be representing a legal entity for the purpose of soliciting funding that it seems very likely you are committing fraud.

Now, having refused to divulge this information themselves & used you to direct people to their slack channel it is again you who comes back & provides this new information.

Shill, much?

If you think a £20 registered company makes it more legit then that's up to you. I know how easy it is to register a company so it means nothing to me.

It doesn't make this (or any other) project more or less likely to fail/be a scam.

Will we ever get beyond the name calling stage?
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1) I've stated already that the company information that I got in that it's existing company and the name change is not showing yet, so the company is setup since 2014 as the company is the existing platform XPY.io. But to me, the company is no indicator of whether this is a scam or not. It's easy to setup a company, in the UK I can spend £20 to setup a legit company structure with no liability for losses. So the company info for me is not very important or meaningful in terms of honest intent.
!

Right, so the fact remains that when they stated Ionomy PTE was a company registered in Singapore they lied.

What is worse is that they use that lie to entice people to buy in to their ICO.

You keep asserting it makes no difference if they are registered or not, I will continue to assert that when you claim to be representing a legal entity for the purpose of soliciting funding that it seems very likely you are committing fraud.

Now, having refused to divulge this information themselves & used you to direct people to their slack channel it is again you who comes back & provides this new information.

Shill, much?

If you think a £20 registered company makes it more legit then that's up to you. I know how easy it is to register a company so it means nothing to me.

It doesn't make this (or any other) project more or less likely to fail/be a scam.

Will we ever get beyond the name calling stage?
Perhaps, and perhaps you'll get to the stage where you employ common sense. Or where your conscience gets the better of your polluted heart. Whichever it is, either an idiot or a fraudster.
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1) I've stated already that the company information that I got in that it's existing company and the name change is not showing yet, so the company is setup since 2014 as the company is the existing platform XPY.io. But to me, the company is no indicator of whether this is a scam or not. It's easy to setup a company, in the UK I can spend £20 to setup a legit company structure with no liability for losses. So the company info for me is not very important or meaningful in terms of honest intent.
!

Right, so the fact remains that when they stated Ionomy PTE was a company registered in Singapore they lied.

What is worse is that they use that lie to entice people to buy in to their ICO.

You keep asserting it makes no difference if they are registered or not, I will continue to assert that when you claim to be representing a legal entity for the purpose of soliciting funding that it seems very likely you are committing fraud.

Now, having refused to divulge this information themselves & used you to direct people to their slack channel it is again you who comes back & provides this new information.

Shill, much?

If you think a £20 registered company makes it more legit then that's up to you. I know how easy it is to register a company so it means nothing to me.

It doesn't make this (or any other) project more or less likely to fail/be a scam.

Will we ever get beyond the name calling stage?

Again, deflecting from the point that they lied.

I didn't call you a name, I asked if you're shilling.

It seems to me you'll do anything to prevent that obvious fact from being made clear to people on this forum.

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seems I missed some pages... can we got back to the facts?

what's the Data for Ganzas trial?

http://ia601307.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.ctd.110362/gov.uscourts.ctd.110362.docket.html

I'm going to put this in the OP as well.

Nice info - this is one reason why i'm staying!

I've been getting varying and contradictory feedback on the gawsuit.com as to whether it can succeed or is even real.

Do you have any opinion on the gawsuit.com process as it stands now?

Last update was 2 months ago. There was supposed to be an announcement of a class action I think. Didn't happen. In fact any information up to this point originated ONLY from Mr. Shinners, so it all depends on how much you want to trust that one individual. The good news is he didn't collect any money, the bad news is he collected a lot of personal information that could be misused in many different ways.
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1) I've stated already that the company information that I got in that it's existing company and the name change is not showing yet, so the company is setup since 2014 as the company is the existing platform XPY.io. But to me, the company is no indicator of whether this is a scam or not. It's easy to setup a company, in the UK I can spend £20 to setup a legit company structure with no liability for losses. So the company info for me is not very important or meaningful in terms of honest intent.
!

Right, so the fact remains that when they stated Ionomy PTE was a company registered in Singapore they lied.

What is worse is that they use that lie to entice people to buy in to their ICO.

You keep asserting it makes no difference if they are registered or not, I will continue to assert that when you claim to be representing a legal entity for the purpose of soliciting funding that it seems very likely you are committing fraud.

Now, having refused to divulge this information themselves & used you to direct people to their slack channel it is again you who comes back & provides this new information.

Shill, much?

If you think a £20 registered company makes it more legit then that's up to you. I know how easy it is to register a company so it means nothing to me.

It doesn't make this (or any other) project more or less likely to fail/be a scam.

Will we ever get beyond the name calling stage?

Its not a matter of the 20 making them legitimte, but it is a huge red flag.

If the business registration is irrelevant, they shouldn't have mentioned it.

Buy I question how a company unable to do something simple like prove they are a registered company would be able to do any of the other stuff they are planning to do.

Can a company that needs 48 hours to answer a simple question do the things they are setting out to do?
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For me it looks we stucked here  Roll Eyes

Let me clear my point:
1. What will change if details about company are public, yes this information would be and should be public, but what does it really change, like ie. who of you send them flowers and who visited mordica and co and their headquarters which was at this time an obvious scam Smiley ? Anybody? What did it change on scam except that they tried to make it look legal and my friends, exactly this was the reason why so many people outside of crypto trusted this Mexican Sobrero. Now I don't understand, if they are scam why should they be geniuine?

First of all, it's the LIE that matters. Trust and all that.

Second, if the company is just a shell company without any assets (most likely) then it should be a major red flag as well. I know nobody cares about such things because this is crypto, but it doesn't mean this should not be exposed.

5. Ionomy, why is it discussed here, only because they caused death of xpy?

ionomy is created by the same deluded gang of Garza's asslickers who tried to keep XPY afloat for a year.

This discussion is interesting (at least to me) as it highlights the uncanny similarities between the two projects - people involved, premine, demand of unconditional trust, lack of tangible product, hiding in their walled garden, I could go on but I think you get the idea.
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The only guy I'd give bitcoin to is seriousinvest
Smiley , I think you are the only who brings smile on my face with just 2,3 words, but you know I love you for that Smiley, seriousinvest is part of copyright history.
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Just discovered that there is an ION Coin subreddit already:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IONcoin
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Just discovered that there is an ION Coin subreddit already:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IONcoin

Nice "discovery". Let the slackers know too Smiley
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For me it looks we stucked here  Roll Eyes

Let me clear my point:
1. What will change if details about company are public, yes this information would be and should be public, but what does it really change, like ie. who of you send them flowers and who visited mordica and co and their headquarters which was at this time an obvious scam Smiley ? Anybody? What did it change on scam except that they tried to make it look legal and my friends, exactly this was the reason why so many people outside of crypto trusted this Mexican Sobrero. Now I don't understand, if they are scam why should they be geniuine?

First of all, it's the LIE that matters. Trust and all that.

Second, if the company is just a shell company without any assets (most likely) then it should be a major red flag as well. I know nobody cares about such things because this is crypto, but it doesn't mean this should not be exposed.

5. Ionomy, why is it discussed here, only because they caused death of xpy?

ionomy is created by the same deluded gang of Garza's asslickers who tried to keep XPY afloat for a year.

This discussion is interesting (at least to me) as it highlights the uncanny similarities between the two projects - people involved, premine, demand of unconditional trust, lack of tangible product, hiding in their walled garden, I could go on but I think you get the idea.

I have some different point, first in crypto is everybody an CEO and Ganza was the one who started extremly with such way of marketing promising everything calling people on who they are and what business they run, lol, same shit like its in shiners head, even in his doxxing attemps he tried to point out who who is by registered companies Smiley, what a dumb idea, where this is actually an genious move even if ganza would have never understood it even if he would think to understand it, it is pure luck for him. He used standard scheme which even works in real world, not only in crypto. Difference in crypto is, everything happens faster and timeframe for registering everything takes time where on hype money is made, just think about ebay, amazon, gift cards, $ 20 floor .... . All this "registered company" bullshit gave him this possibility, if people would care about more facts than just registered company, lol, you indeed have real scammers that can not only register an ghost company.

You are right, if legit details are hidden or non existing than it is red flag. At the same time you do say that these are same people. Now what would tell you more, an legit registered company US or EU with same people involved or just the fact who is involved?

Second is of course the nature of crypto. If you register an business, then only if it is getting successfull and if it is getting so big that you have to register it.

For me red flag are people and not their unregistered business which they start in crypto. I am also not an fan of new york license that gets always bigger popularity.
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