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[etoque]

https://twitter.com/john_a_connor/status/626488601086267392

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woot !

americanpegasus: Go make your Pub elsewhere ! 

[traumschiff]

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If you check back the 100 pages of this topic or visit our IRC channel you will see that compared to most altcoins on this forum there is almost 0 fud going on. I can only mention max 2-3 people here who tried it, but gave up after 1-2 pages, the atmosphere is really good in general.

The one salty user was banned out from the official forums early and he is having his issues since then, I can assure you there was never an instamine, megablocks or whatever he is talking about. There is a user on IRC who knows that guy IRL and even he was amazed by his delusion. He tried to extort money from John for giving up the subreddit name and after he didn't get it he started going ham.

On a sidenote, good luck with trying to fork VNL or ZeroTime, this isn't a clone of Bitcoin (and ZeroTime wouldn't work on a Bitcoin clone anyway) and without John's talent there would be nothing backing the technology.

[bangomatic]

http://1szb.com/service/article.html?id=76

Working on being added now

google translate says wayne in some instances and vanillacoin in others. google translate is not always accurate though.

[Za1n]

https://twitter.com/john_a_connor/status/626488601086267392

Something worth checking

Project Facts

    It is Angel Investor backed.
    It is my full time job working 12 hours a day 7 days a week.
    It has 6 months of Research and 12 months of Development put into it.
    It is developed by someone that has worked on every major peer-to-peer technology dating back 15 years.
    It is the most energy efficient crypto-currency designed to date.
    It is the first crypto-currency to encrypt all communications pathways.
    It launched with a fair solo distribution algorithm by defending the network from superscalar symmetric multiprocessors, super computers and bot nets.
    It is the first crypto-currency to generate Proof-of-Stake on mobile devices.
    This is just the beginning.

Thank you for your support.

Angel Investor Meeting

I have met with the Angel Investors. They are pleased with the results of the project and have decided to fund a 2nd round of full time development. This means the project will be able to remain at the same pace of development for at least 365 days from today. :cool:

Thank you for your support.

So I never understood the whole need to promote this was angel investor backed anyway. I don't necessarily think this admission is a good thing, makes me wonder why John felt the need to put this on the list of Vanillacoin's features early on in the coins life, and the later announcement the angel investors approved another year of development. Why not just state the truth all along. Once one falsehood is revealed, makes people wonder what else was mis-stated, to be polite.

This does not mean I am giving up on Vanillacoin, but it is a bit unsettling to say the least.

[anhpt192]

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If you check back the 100 pages of this topic or visit our IRC channel you will see that compared to most altcoins on this forum there is almost 0 fud going on. I can only mention max 2-3 people here who tried it, but gave up after 1-2 pages, the atmosphere is really good in general.

The one salty user was banned out from the official forums early and he is having his issues since then, I can assure you there was never an instamine, megablocks or whatever he is talking about. There is a user on IRC who knows that guy IRL and even he was amazed by his delusion. He tried to extort money from John for giving up the subreddit name and after he didn't get it he started going ham.

On a sidenote, good luck with trying to fork VNL or ZeroTime, this isn't a clone of Bitcoin (and ZeroTime wouldn't work on a Bitcoin clone anyway) and without John's talent there would be nothing backing the technology.

I follow this VNL at started time (even before that with 1st time failure launch). I can also confirm again that there was neither instanmine nor megablocks.

[Nthused]

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If you check back the 100 pages of this topic or visit our IRC channel you will see that compared to most altcoins on this forum there is almost 0 fud going on. I can only mention max 2-3 people here who tried it, but gave up after 1-2 pages, the atmosphere is really good in general.

The one salty user was banned out from the official forums early and he is having his issues since then, I can assure you there was never an instamine, megablocks or whatever he is talking about. There is a user on IRC who knows that guy IRL and even he was amazed by his delusion. He tried to extort money from John for giving up the subreddit name and after he didn't get it he started going ham.

On a sidenote, good luck with trying to fork VNL or ZeroTime, this isn't a clone of Bitcoin (and ZeroTime wouldn't work on a Bitcoin clone anyway) and without John's talent there would be nothing backing the technology.

I follow this VNL at started time (even before that with 1st time failure launch). I can also confirm again that there was neither instanmine nor megablocks.

I've been here from the start when fair mining with cpu and only 2 pc's per user was enabled, there was 1 guy who got caught cheating hardcore and john banned his ip and forfeited the users coins to the faucet, there was "clear" rules to make it fair, if you didn't abide by them then it's no one elses fault.

[americanpegasus]

I've been here from the start when fair mining with cpu and only 2 pc's per user was enabled, there was 1 guy who got caught cheating hardcore and john banned his ip and forfeited the users coins to the faucet, there was "clear" rules to make it fair, if you didn't abide by them then it's no one elses fault.

 
  
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Banned his IP and forfeited his coins to the faucet.  I'm assuming you're talking about from control of the pool that was being used to mine?  
  
This is a decentralized technology as well, so I'm assuming that couldn't happen on an individual basis.  Or perhaps I am fundamentally misunderstanding something.  

[Dev_Sempak_coin]

waiting sell my vanilla at price 100ksatosi   

[Gleason]

I've been here from the start when fair mining with cpu and only 2 pc's per user was enabled, there was 1 guy who got caught cheating hardcore and john banned his ip and forfeited the users coins to the faucet, there was "clear" rules to make it fair, if you didn't abide by them then it's no one elses fault.

 
 
?? 
 
Banned his IP and forfeited his coins to the faucet.  I'm assuming you're talking about from control of the pool that was being used to mine? 
 
This is a decentralized technology as well, so I'm assuming that couldn't happen on an individual basis.  Or perhaps I am fundamentally misunderstanding something. 

Edited/Correction. I was wrong.

[groggin]

I've been here from the start when fair mining with cpu and only 2 pc's per user was enabled, there was 1 guy who got caught cheating hardcore and john banned his ip and forfeited the users coins to the faucet, there was "clear" rules to make it fair, if you didn't abide by them then it's no one elses fault.

 
  
??  
  
Banned his IP and forfeited his coins to the faucet.  I'm assuming you're talking about from control of the pool that was being used to mine?  
  
This is a decentralized technology as well, so I'm assuming that couldn't happen on an individual basis.  Or perhaps I am fundamentally misunderstanding something.  

  it did happen. someone with an overwhelimgly powerful rig, early on. i did question john about it; if i understood his reply rightly our masterful dev used his coding skills to persuade the network to reject the offending blocks, by consensus

[edit!] it was NOT when pool mining - the event referred to occurred in december 2014, i believe

[americanpegasus]

  it did happen. someone with an overwhelimgly powerful rig, early on. i did question john about it; if i understood his reply rightly our masterful dev used his coding skills to persuade the network to reject the offending blocks, by consensus

[edit!] it was NOT when pool mining - the event referred to occurred in december 2014, i believe

 
  
Ok, this is the concerning part.  
  
We agreed to have a fair and open watergun fight amongst ourselves in the school yard.  We are all using Wal-Mart squirter pistols and having a good time.  Then, a rich kid went and bought a Super Soaker 9 Billion XQT ReCharger and proceeded to light everyone up, and dominate the fight.  
  
The guy who invented all the cool rules of the watergun game said, "Hey, rich kid!  Go away!  You're making the game not fun for everyone else!" and the rich kid with his Super Soaker 9 Billion XQT said, "Fuck off, I'm playing by the same rules you are, I just have a better toy."  
  
So the kid who invented the game declared, "Ok guys, then from now on, we won't count any shots by Super Soakers.  Deal?" and everyone agreed because it made the game more fun.  
  
The kid took his Super Soaker and went home because no one wanted to play with him anymore.  
  
 
  
Do you see the problem with this?  Do you think that this game will pass a test for truly open and transparent going forward?  What happens when something else happens that someone doesn't like?  People will all just look to the leader kid and say, "Hey!  This is like that fucker with the Super Soaker!  John, do something!" and the 'leader' will be forced to declare new rules and regulations.... aka, centralization.  
  
John Connor was overwhelmingly a good guy, but (movie spoilers, spoiled in the movie trailer itself in the following image):  

https://i.imgur.com/CZxw2Lu.jpg
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If algo or block manipulation has occurred in any way, this invalidates the entire currency and a new and impartial fork needs to restart from the genesis block.  The only time this is acceptable is if a user truly was irrevocably breaking the game forever afterwards (like creating fake blocks or fake coins), NOT if they were simply winning by using the best hardware.

[groggin]

  i remember being quite shocked at the time, but as i thought about it - new coin, not a copy-clone, ingenious dev = new pathways, = new rules.

 and these had all been stated up front.

[Q1Dilbry]

is this the correct thread ?

[pseudonymdude]

is this the correct thread ?

This is the main unofficial community thread.

[pseudonymdude]

  it did happen. someone with an overwhelimgly powerful rig, early on. i did question john about it; if i understood his reply rightly our masterful dev used his coding skills to persuade the network to reject the offending blocks, by consensus

[edit!] it was NOT when pool mining - the event referred to occurred in december 2014, i believe

 
  
Ok, this is the concerning part.  
  
We agreed to have a fair and open watergun fight amongst ourselves in the school yard.  We are all using Wal-Mart squirter pistols and having a good time.  Then, a rich kid went and bought a Super Soaker 9 Billion XQT ReCharger and proceeded to light everyone up, and dominate the fight.  
  
The guy who invented all the cool rules of the watergun game said, "Hey, rich kid!  Go away!  You're making the game not fun for everyone else!" and the rich kid with his Super Soaker 9 Billion XQT said, "Fuck off, I'm playing by the same rules you are, I just have a better toy."  
  
So the kid who invented the game declared, "Ok guys, then from now on, we won't count any shots by Super Soakers.  Deal?" and everyone agreed because it made the game more fun.  
  
The kid took his Super Soaker and went home because no one wanted to play with him anymore.  
  
 
  
Do you see the problem with this?  Do you think that this game will pass a test for truly open and transparent going forward?  What happens when something else happens that someone doesn't like?  People will all just look to the leader kid and say, "Hey!  This is like that fucker with the Super Soaker!  John, do something!" and the 'leader' will be forced to declare new rules and regulations.... aka, centralization.  
  
John Connor was overwhelmingly a good guy, but (movie spoilers, spoiled in the movie trailer itself in the following image):  

https://i.imgur.com/CZxw2Lu.jpg
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.
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If algo or block manipulation has occurred in any way, this invalidates the entire currency and a new and impartial fork needs to restart from the genesis block.  The only time this is acceptable is if a user truly was irrevocably breaking the game forever afterwards (like creating fake blocks or fake coins), NOT if they were simply winning by using the best hardware.

Coins weren't forfeited in solomining.  Network consensus forked wallets that tried to mine with more than one or two wallets per ip or something like that.  That stopped after the first pool was set up and the wallets were changed from only mining with 1 core to mining with the max the cpu could output.  Those wallets still had coins they made from before being forked.  They just had to get back on the right fork.

During cpu pool mining in which everyone was mining from John's pool, one or two people created private gpu miners, which were not allowed.  They had around half the hash so John sent their coins that had not been paid out yet to the faucet, and a little later, a public gpu miner was made available.

He was only trying to make the distribution fair while it was cpu mined.  As soon as gpu mining started, we tried to get public pools to add it, and suprnova added it somewhat quickly.

Edit: Oh yeah.  When C-cex messed up and lost people's coins, he didn't do anything.  So you're dead wrong about that.  He also stated he wouldn't mess with the blockchain.

[darkslash]

i see a dump incoming 

[ChompStory]

unfortunately the chinese exchange has ditched the idea to add vanillacoin   

[darkslash]

oh i can read the future i forgot to tell you guys there you go hahahah

[traumschiff]

https://twitter.com/john_a_connor/status/626488601086267392

Something worth checking

Project Facts

    It is Angel Investor backed.
    It is my full time job working 12 hours a day 7 days a week.
    It has 6 months of Research and 12 months of Development put into it.
    It is developed by someone that has worked on every major peer-to-peer technology dating back 15 years.
    It is the most energy efficient crypto-currency designed to date.
    It is the first crypto-currency to encrypt all communications pathways.
    It launched with a fair solo distribution algorithm by defending the network from superscalar symmetric multiprocessors, super computers and bot nets.
    It is the first crypto-currency to generate Proof-of-Stake on mobile devices.
    This is just the beginning.

Thank you for your support.

Angel Investor Meeting

I have met with the Angel Investors. They are pleased with the results of the project and have decided to fund a 2nd round of full time development. This means the project will be able to remain at the same pace of development for at least 365 days from today. :cool:

Thank you for your support.

So I never understood the whole need to promote this was angel investor backed anyway. I don't necessarily think this admission is a good thing, makes me wonder why John felt the need to put this on the list of Vanillacoin's features early on in the coins life, and the later announcement the angel investors approved another year of development. Why not just state the truth all along. Once one falsehood is revealed, makes people wonder what else was mis-stated, to be polite.

This does not mean I am giving up on Vanillacoin, but it is a bit unsettling to say the least.

The only reason I see for the whole roleplaying: maybe John was unsure if he wants to lead a project as big as this, he has a family and kids and is probably doing well (financially - he isn't here to get rich) without a full time crypto project. He got to like the community and the acceptance that Vanillacoin has gotten after a few months, we probably passed his "test". You can be pretty sure that he is famous programmer IRL with his way of doing things.

[traumschiff]

unfortunately the chinese exchange has ditched the idea to add vanillacoin  

You forgot this part:

<acoin> many vnl investor said 1szb  is a bad exchang for vnl, their boss feel bad
<acoin> so will not add it
<xCore> hu
<acoin> a very small exchange
<acoin> haha
<xCore> it's not a technical issue, so it's ok for me

As it turned out it's only a low volume exchange also I'm not surprised they can't work out the wallet without help, Bittrex needed a bit of help also.

Neither bleutrade nor c-cex could integrate it properly into the exchange, first ditched it second got asked to delist it since they mismanaged the wallet. This isn't a toy for wannabe exchanges who could add 20 bitcoin clones prior.

Try harder.