[UNOFFICIAL] [VNL] Vanillacoin 0.4.1 | Instant ▱ Incentivized ▱ Innovative

[nextgencoin]

why would a dev post a fake whitepaper / code? fudding his own project? its been bothering me since i read that.

I think there is a reason but it involves some empathy in order to logically understand.

We know he has been working on it for a long time, a year prior to launch.  Personally, I think he would have waited even longer if there wasn't a modicum of excitement and/or a need to start testing his code with an operating blockchain in real time.  Keep in mind, a ton of basic work went into his project before he even revealed that ZT was a thing...months.

Further, considering the more or less common knowledge that he is a 20 year vet within the P2P field, the decision to embark on this project as a full time job probably was made with much consideration.  Involved in that consideration was a knowledge of what the altcoin community is like.  Think about it for a second.  This is a terrible community.  Scams are everywhere, collaboration is close to 'not so much', scam devs are copying code and releasing new coins with promises in order to get the first 'spike pump' and then leave, and most of the threads in the altcoin community are peppered with inane BS that no sane person would tolerate in a normal social forum.

Chances are, he is very well aware of how toxic some aspects of the altcoin community are and has every intention of releasing material...but if it isn't ready then it isn't ready.  Further, providing misinformation, or mystery, is potentially a valid way to gain information on the community that he is working in tandem with.  I use the phrase 'in tandem' very loosely because the interaction is necessary but there is no real collaboration between devs and speculators.  It is an important distinction to make...

 Jump into IRC and communicate with him - he talks every day.

If he says the white paper is coming with actual math (he posted a paragraph a few days ago) then it is coming.  He started this project wanting no hype and went months without it.  Very productive months.

It sounds fishy because you are used to a crypto alt scene that is fishy - I'm sure he thinks the same thing.  The thing is, he has delivered everything he has promised and then some.  Some of you seem to forget that he just released the bitstream for FPGA...do you have any idea what that means and how many other devs have done that (None)?

Be patient and see what happens...

Edit to add - I like the VNL community and aspects of other communities...but to be honest, there is no stopping people from muscling their internet posts.  Tis the reason why I referred to it as terrible.  Valid disclaimer and one that should be met with reflection rather than indignation...

I agree, and also add that people have become so accustomed to scammy untrustworthy behaviour they simply don't know how to deal with genuine projects in the alt coin community.....of which there are many. Plus it also reflects on som elf the accusers cause they are so scammy themselves they project that on others assuming everyone are scumbags like themselves.

I'm not suggesting people aren't cautious but there IS a middle ground where people don't assume everyone is out to scam them and actually are creating awesome things. Alt community is Bi Polar, they either hype and believe a new coin will end world hunger or that a coin is made my Satan to kill us all.....I miss the middle ground in discussions.....hard to find.

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[bangomatic]

There are also some false claims such as their staking being more energy efficient, when it is an exact line for line clone of Peercoin, just rewritten in C++ 11.

Videlicet was referring at that time to the code that John Connor had uploaded to github.  John later revealed that it was 'fake' code designed to throw off haters or whatever.

So, videlicet was correct about the code that he saw.  But it turned out that it wasn't the actual code of the coin.  Just a trick to throw off haters/catch people out/waste the time of code reviewers.

No, john was referring to the zerotime test code and fake whitepaper for zerotime, not the committed code that has been open sourced and able to be compiled for some time.

why would a dev post a fake whitepaper / code? fudding his own project? its been bothering me since i read that.

If he's just one person, with the speed he pumps out lines of code, he's truly a genius in my opinion; but sometimes he does things I don't understand, like that.

I believe his reasoning was that he would get a lot of devs to attack him because of obvious flaws and then when the real paper and code were released, they'd have to really look into it.

hmmmm. well its his call, he is the dev, but seems foolish to post fake code, because then you have a 100% chance of bringing FUD to your doorstep.  

But he showed a lot of so called experts were in fact scammy FUDers....you should be calling out them not a John Connor for exposing them....Personally I thought it was a great move. I would do something similar in his position if I had thought of it.

I dont think posting fake code / whitepaper could ever be a "great move" in any situation.

[brownmon]

But he showed a lot of so called experts were in fact scammy FUDers....you should be calling out them not a John Connor for exposing them....Personally I thought it was a great move. I would do something similar in his position if I had thought of it.

What do you mean?  Who did JC expose as a scammy FUDder?

[nextgencoin]

There are also some false claims such as their staking being more energy efficient, when it is an exact line for line clone of Peercoin, just rewritten in C++ 11.

Videlicet was referring at that time to the code that John Connor had uploaded to github.  John later revealed that it was 'fake' code designed to throw off haters or whatever.

So, videlicet was correct about the code that he saw.  But it turned out that it wasn't the actual code of the coin.  Just a trick to throw off haters/catch people out/waste the time of code reviewers.

No, john was referring to the zerotime test code and fake whitepaper for zerotime, not the committed code that has been open sourced and able to be compiled for some time.

why would a dev post a fake whitepaper / code? fudding his own project? its been bothering me since i read that.

If he's just one person, with the speed he pumps out lines of code, he's truly a genius in my opinion; but sometimes he does things I don't understand, like that.

I believe his reasoning was that he would get a lot of devs to attack him because of obvious flaws and then when the real paper and code were released, they'd have to really look into it.

hmmmm. well its his call, he is the dev, but seems foolish to post fake code, because then you have a 100% chance of bringing FUD to your doorstep.  

But he showed a lot of so called experts were in fact scammy FUDers....you should be calling out them not a John Connor for exposing them....Personally I thought it was a great move. I would do something similar in his position if I had thought of it.

I dont think posting fake code / whitepaper could ever be a "great move" in any situation.

Cause you're just a forum poster who never worked on a project for months to see it attacked by people....like yourself.

Grow up...

[heartastack]

Just realised ETH has 3500BTC volume on polo. Haha no wonder there is no excitement anywhere else. Shitty gains for that kind of vol too.

[HCLivess]

Just realised ETH has 3500BTC volume on polo. Haha no wonder there is no excitement anywhere else. Shitty gains for that kind of vol too.

Everyone has been waiting for the moment, so they now all have the plans, there is no panic buying, the wave will end soon.

[CryptoClub]

There are also some false claims such as their staking being more energy efficient, when it is an exact line for line clone of Peercoin, just rewritten in C++ 11.

Videlicet was referring at that time to the code that John Connor had uploaded to github.  John later revealed that it was 'fake' code designed to throw off haters or whatever.

So, videlicet was correct about the code that he saw.  But it turned out that it wasn't the actual code of the coin.  Just a trick to throw off haters/catch people out/waste the time of code reviewers.

No, john was referring to the zerotime test code and fake whitepaper for zerotime, not the committed code that has been open sourced and able to be compiled for some time.

why would a dev post a fake whitepaper / code? fudding his own project? its been bothering me since i read that.

If he's just one person, with the speed he pumps out lines of code, he's truly a genius in my opinion; but sometimes he does things I don't understand, like that.

I believe his reasoning was that he would get a lot of devs to attack him because of obvious flaws and then when the real paper and code were released, they'd have to really look into it.

hmmmm. well its his call, he is the dev, but seems foolish to post fake code, because then you have a 100% chance of bringing FUD to your doorstep.  

This does not make any sense. After talking to John "Who says I am anonymous" Conner, I have sold. I went to trouble to get someone to code review, and there is fake code? It was embarrassing, and I don't even grasp why anyone would do that. This might be the most amazing coin ever, but with him being anon and not wanting anyone else on the team, and being manic depressive, or autistic, or something, it will make things very difficult. Maybe he is a true genius, but these are very bad decisions and they cast too much reasonable doubt about the project. Why would he get more attention after he wasted people's time? That isn't how the world works.

[flipboxx]

There are also some false claims such as their staking being more energy efficient, when it is an exact line for line clone of Peercoin, just rewritten in C++ 11.

Videlicet was referring at that time to the code that John Connor had uploaded to github.  John later revealed that it was 'fake' code designed to throw off haters or whatever.

So, videlicet was correct about the code that he saw.  But it turned out that it wasn't the actual code of the coin.  Just a trick to throw off haters/catch people out/waste the time of code reviewers.

No, john was referring to the zerotime test code and fake whitepaper for zerotime, not the committed code that has been open sourced and able to be compiled for some time.

why would a dev post a fake whitepaper / code? fudding his own project? its been bothering me since i read that.

If he's just one person, with the speed he pumps out lines of code, he's truly a genius in my opinion; but sometimes he does things I don't understand, like that.

I believe his reasoning was that he would get a lot of devs to attack him because of obvious flaws and then when the real paper and code were released, they'd have to really look into it.

hmmmm. well its his call, he is the dev, but seems foolish to post fake code, because then you have a 100% chance of bringing FUD to your doorstep.  

But he showed a lot of so called experts were in fact scammy FUDers....you should be calling out them not a John Connor for exposing them....Personally I thought it was a great move. I would do something similar in his position if I had thought of it.

I dont think posting fake code / whitepaper could ever be a "great move" in any situation.

Cause you're just a forum poster who never worked on a project for months to see it attacked by people....like yourself.

Grow up...

This Altcoin world is beyond insane. He didn't expose anyone. It just showed how childish he is. It's not cool, doesn't make sense and has absolutely no benefit for the project.

In the real world nobody would trust this "just a fake, I have the real code" bullshit. Even less if he does it to somehow making fun of other devs on a very strange way (and tbh, the claims of Viz for example were absolutely right. How should he now that John is doing childish shit?).

So, you should grow up. If you want cryptos to play with the big boys, this is not the way how to do business. Might be in your strange developer world, but not in the real world. If your project gets criticized after months of work, improve it. May be hard, but it is the only way.

[heartastack]

This is getting good now. Will vnl survive.

Also the FUD is getting more intense meanwhile the fattest wallets are still swelling up.

[MemoryShock]

This does not make any sense. After talking to John "Who says I am anonymous" Conner, I have sold. I went to trouble to get someone to code review, and there is fake code? It was embarrassing, and I don't even grasp why anyone would do that. This might be the most amazing coin ever, but with him being anon and not wanting anyone else on the team, and being manic depressive, or autistic, or something, it will make things very difficult. Maybe he is a true genius, but these are very bad decisions and they cast too much reasonable doubt about the project. Why would he get more attention after he wasted people's time? That isn't how the world works.

Did you really just diagnose the dev as autistic because you took the initiative to show your friend (Nick Cote?) the code a few months ago and are feeling embarrassed because things didn't pan out the way you wanted it to?

Your projections are your embarrassment.  FPGA mine that...

Edit to add - Regardless of your feelings on how things have occurred, calling out mental illness on someone you know not at all and who is capable of doing something that you aren't is bullshit.

[doremi]

This Altcoin world is beyond insane. He didn't expose anyone. It just showed how childish he is. It's not cool, doesn't make sense and has absolutely no benefit for the project.

In the real world nobody would trust this "just a fake, I have the real code" bullshit. Even less if he does it to somehow making fun of other devs on a very strange way (and tbh, the claims of Viz for example were absolutely right. How should he now that John is doing childish shit?).

So, you should grow up. If you want cryptos to play with the big boys, this is not the way how to do business. Might be in your strange developer world, but not in the real world. If your project gets criticized after months of work, improve it. May be hard, but it is the only way.

during the world war2,Russian spy try to steal atomic bomb tech from USA,they did it but it's fake...so they thought USA didn`t actually having the tech of atomic bomb....until they dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan.....

this is all about strategy.

[pallas]

Do not claim that vanilla is the only coin that can be compiled on other devices like phones.
I myself have compiled more than one coin to my nas and android phone.
Of course it was a headless client but it could share the wallet.dat with my desktop and do everything it's supposed to, including PoS.

[doremi]

Do not claim that vanilla is the only coin that can be compiled on other devices like phones.
I myself have compiled more than one coin to my nas and android phone.
Of course it was a headless client but it could share the wallet.dat with my desktop and do everything it's supposed to, including PoS.

well..do you have any POS coin that could do staking on cell/mobile phones?

[pallas]

Do not claim that vanilla is the only coin that can be compiled on other devices like phones.
I myself have compiled more than one coin to my nas and android phone.
Of course it was a headless client but it could share the wallet.dat with my desktop and do everything it's supposed to, including PoS.

well..do you have any POS coin that could do staking on cell/mobile phones?

an android phone is just a linux computer.
you can compile any coin that you can compile on, for example, an ubuntu pc and have all the features.
provided you have enough storage space for the blockchain, that is.

[doremi]

Do not claim that vanilla is the only coin that can be compiled on other devices like phones.
I myself have compiled more than one coin to my nas and android phone.
Of course it was a headless client but it could share the wallet.dat with my desktop and do everything it's supposed to, including PoS.

well..do you have any POS coin that could do staking on cell/mobile phones?

an android phone is just a linux computer.
you can compile any coin that you can compile on, for example, an ubuntu pc and have all the features.
provided you have enough storage space for the blockchain, that is.

i don`t think you had answered my question about staking/minting

[pallas]

Do not claim that vanilla is the only coin that can be compiled on other devices like phones.
I myself have compiled more than one coin to my nas and android phone.
Of course it was a headless client but it could share the wallet.dat with my desktop and do everything it's supposed to, including PoS.

well..do you have any POS coin that could do staking on cell/mobile phones?

an android phone is just a linux computer.
you can compile any coin that you can compile on, for example, an ubuntu pc and have all the features.
provided you have enough storage space for the blockchain, that is.

i don`t think you had answered my question about staking

isn't "and have all the features" enough? :-)

[doremi]

Do not claim that vanilla is the only coin that can be compiled on other devices like phones.
I myself have compiled more than one coin to my nas and android phone.
Of course it was a headless client but it could share the wallet.dat with my desktop and do everything it's supposed to, including PoS.

well..do you have any POS coin that could do staking on cell/mobile phones?

an android phone is just a linux computer.
you can compile any coin that you can compile on, for example, an ubuntu pc and have all the features.
provided you have enough storage space for the blockchain, that is.

i don`t think you had answered my question about staking

isn't "and have all the features" enough? :-)

i know you can compile any coin that you can compile..my question is: can you compile a POS coin which can staking/minting on cell/mobile phones?if you already do that,please tell me what coin is it,thanks.

[dygus]

Do not claim that vanilla is the only coin that can be compiled on other devices like phones.
I myself have compiled more than one coin to my nas and android phone.
Of course it was a headless client but it could share the wallet.dat with my desktop and do everything it's supposed to, including PoS.

well..do you have any POS coin that could do staking on cell/mobile phones?

an android phone is just a linux computer.
you can compile any coin that you can compile on, for example, an ubuntu pc and have all the features.
provided you have enough storage space for the blockchain, that is.

i don`t think you had answered my question about staking

isn't "and have all the features" enough? :-)

i know you can compile any coin that you can compile..my question is: can you compile a POS coin which can staking/minting on cell/mobile phones?if you already do that,please tell me what coin is it,thanks.

librex

[pallas]

Do not claim that vanilla is the only coin that can be compiled on other devices like phones.
I myself have compiled more than one coin to my nas and android phone.
Of course it was a headless client but it could share the wallet.dat with my desktop and do everything it's supposed to, including PoS.

well..do you have any POS coin that could do staking on cell/mobile phones?

an android phone is just a linux computer.
you can compile any coin that you can compile on, for example, an ubuntu pc and have all the features.
provided you have enough storage space for the blockchain, that is.

i don`t think you had answered my question about staking

isn't "and have all the features" enough? :-)

i know you can compile any coin that you can compile..my question is: can you compile a POS coin which can staking/minting on cell/mobile phones?if you already do that,please tell me what coin is it,thanks.

I did it with diamond, but I see no reason why it shouldn't work on any linux compilable coin (which are most of them, at least in headless form).

[dygus]

Price is falling. 25k next stop