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March 30, 2014, 06:53:26 AM
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It's been paid: 0.000065/share.

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March 30, 2014, 11:47:50 AM
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Holy cow, what've you been up to last night after the good news?
I believe it's simple: Yes, it is worrying, that the past 2 week's dividends were delayed, the last one even significantly. It may or may not be a "breach of contract", because it is still up to FC/BF to decide what constitutes the final dividends that are to be paid to the shareholders. Of course it would've been easy and better to drop a short message to the forum. In these times this makes a lot of people uneasy - understandably.
On the other hand: We're talking about a new low of dividends, while FC and his team - obviously - was and still is pretty tied up testing the chips and preparing the according hardware and releases to the public. It is not unprecedented that FC is quiet for over a month's time and yet he dropped some pretty positive news yesterday, calming many people - including myself!

Long story short: It may very well be worrying in times like these and effectively not the way it should be, but I - personally - believe it's not indicative of something going awry.

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March 30, 2014, 11:54:24 AM
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Holy cow, what've you been up to last night after the good news?

Actually I assume that was due to Havelock - the trading halt of Neo combined with multiple downtimes.

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March 30, 2014, 12:10:10 PM
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Actually I assume that was due to Havelock - the trading halt of Neo combined with multiple downtimes.

What?  Havelock has no effect on AM paying divs... we are talking about REAL divs, not pass-through divs.

Havelock could be nuked from orbit, and friedcat would have no issue paying divs what so ever.

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March 30, 2014, 12:12:47 PM
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Actually I assume that was due to Havelock - the trading halt of Neo combined with multiple downtimes.

What?  Havelock has no effect on AM paying divs... we are talking about REAL divs, not pass-through divs.

Havelock could be nuked from orbit, and friedcat would have no issue paying divs what so ever.
I had the impression he was talking about share price, not dividends.

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March 30, 2014, 12:16:18 PM
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I had the impression he was talking about share price, not dividends.
You may be right, and I may be a fool... people need to quote better...

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March 30, 2014, 01:05:58 PM
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The selling on Havelock is strange, as well. .65 is quite conservative considering the good news. But on the other hand, we're almost at 0(!) divs and the performance of gen 3 still needs to be evaluated.
I was talking about the arguments here and juvenile insults. Seems like a party that eventually turns into a drunk fistfight...

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March 30, 2014, 07:20:01 PM
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The selling on Havelock is strange, as well. .65 is quite conservative considering the good news. But on the other hand, we're almost at 0(!) divs and the performance of gen 3 still needs to be evaluated.
I was talking about the arguments here and juvenile insults. Seems like a party that eventually turns into a drunk fistfight...

Many BTC whales are VERY conservative at this point, even when it comes to AM. Likely waiting on div payments ramping up or some third party proof that miners are shipping and working to spec.

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March 30, 2014, 08:05:01 PM
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The selling on Havelock is strange, as well. .65 is quite conservative considering the good news. But on the other hand, we're almost at 0(!) divs and the performance of gen 3 still needs to be evaluated.
I was talking about the arguments here and juvenile insults. Seems like a party that eventually turns into a drunk fistfight...

Many BTC whales are VERY conservative at this point, even when it comes to AM. Likely waiting on div payments ramping up or some third party proof that miners are shipping and working to spec.

Yes. AM is very overvalued currently - due to the speculation of gen 3 of course. When the divs rise again, we'll see an increasing share price.
I wonder which yearly yield we're going to see this generation, is it going to be lower than last year's of 20-30%?

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March 30, 2014, 08:11:22 PM
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Can you please stop this fanboy shit?!

The commitment to pay weekly dividends is more than clear. It was defaulted w/o any announcement why etc.

That default would have been no problem at all if there had been a disclaimer like: -- nope, I will not explain it to you herd-following idiots again. --

I am really damn happy about the news from friedcat - as I have a bit more than your Mommy's granted pocketmoney in here.

You idiots can throw your few pocketmoney cents wherever you want, and Mommy won't know about it (she'd be happy it is not on dope).

Fact is that ASICMINER once again gave a shit about their investors (other than boardmembers). Where is the last dividend? Why was it not paid? Just explain in one sentence! No prob!

I do understand that you are all like "Hoorray, here we go to the moon with Gen3!" But if you give away your well deserved rights, you might end up with nothing.

Please grow up.

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March 30, 2014, 09:51:34 PM
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The selling on Havelock is strange, as well. .65 is quite conservative considering the good news. But on the other hand, we're almost at 0(!) divs and the performance of gen 3 still needs to be evaluated.
I was talking about the arguments here and juvenile insults. Seems like a party that eventually turns into a drunk fistfight...

Many BTC whales are VERY conservative at this point, even when it comes to AM. Likely waiting on div payments ramping up or some third party proof that miners are shipping and working to spec.

Yes. AM is very overvalued currently - due to the speculation of gen 3 of course. When the divs rise again, we'll see an increasing share price.
I wonder which yearly yield we're going to see this generation, is it going to be lower than last year's of 20-30%?

  I see several factors that could lead to lower accepted APR.   <20  wouldn't surprise me.  Could lead to shocking share prices  Shocked

Given the risk involve in bitcoin mining, anything < 20% is absolutely reckless, in fact, less than 33% would be unacceptable.  Remember the roller coaster ride of AM and once upon a time, ppl were concerning how AM would have > 50% network hashrate.
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March 31, 2014, 08:38:27 AM
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Friedcat posted - and deleted, again - a response to the people designing the Wasp miners pointing them to the chip-specifics. They also claim to be receiving sample chips from AM. I believe FC just wants the engineering people to know about the schematics or inadvertently posted them to the forum instead of replying via PM. Things are moving forward!
https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-asicminer-publicly-looking-for-potential-customers-partners-for-new-chips.248792/page-11#post-5715921

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March 31, 2014, 08:40:42 AM
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cba to look up the link, but "its happening.gif" Cheesy

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March 31, 2014, 08:56:30 AM
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cba to look up the link, but "its happening.gif" Cheesy

just not yet. Smiley
once divs address gets loaded, the gif we shall upload. ^^
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March 31, 2014, 11:19:06 AM
Last edit: March 31, 2014, 11:35:53 AM by bitcoin.newsfeed
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Little speculation here  Smiley

Is Chinese mining mafia pushing the price of Bitcoin down via fake trades(+fake volume) on their exchanges? Possible reason : upcoming payments for chips? If the exchange rate is low, they'll get more BTC Wink And if they don't plan to convert them asap, its win situation(maybe).

On a more serious note :
What is the size of 1st batch of gen3 ? In December Friedcat mentioned 2-20P possible for first batch. Curious about an actual number, its big difference to get 2M$ or 20M$ for this batch. Also I am interested what will be the time period between batches. And if the order size of next batches will be released for shareholders up-front, or we'll only see the movements in AM address and we can guess how many P were sold and for what price? If they plan to sell them for fiat, how can we audit them if they're including every sell? its about a trust? Jutarul mentioned some audit in past, maybe for better transparency after failed gen2, I wonder where we're on that front.

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March 31, 2014, 12:17:44 PM
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I've heard people speculating the price of BTC is being driven by data centers unloading from their mining operations. KNC and the like. Independent miners I suspect are more likely to hold onto BTC but as they get pushed out of the distribution by these large scale operations more of the currency makes it's way to the exchanges.

It's a theory that sounded plausible FWIW.
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March 31, 2014, 12:36:20 PM
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I heard it was because AM and Avalon need to convert bitcoins to fiat in order to pay for chip batches.
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March 31, 2014, 01:31:06 PM
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Typical case of information asymmetry. The people who sold know why and the rest of the market doesn't have a clue but might (or not) follow, depending on the news and the general feeling of where things are headed.

And the possible dump by all the Chinese on or before April the 15th.

The good news relating to AM is that, usually (not a law!), as BTC takes a dive, the AM share price goes up. Add the Gen3 release and we might see a nice cumulative effect (double bubble!).

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March 31, 2014, 03:03:17 PM
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As a reminder that we are clueless and thats just the way it goes Grin

Information is simply housekeeping advising investors that things are on track. If you hold a lot of shares in your company and are intersted in the value of those shares then you have an interest in how those who trade in it feel about the security of their investment who in the end vote with price of the stock. The mushroom - head in the sand - it's just so thing. Yeah.
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March 31, 2014, 10:05:39 PM
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The mushroom - head in the sand - it's just so thing. Yeah.

Thanks - you made my morning. Mushroom head in the sand! That's sex on the beach for you.

(now watch this get deleted for OT).

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