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Author Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It  (Read 3901407 times)
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April 13, 2014, 10:12:45 PM
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- What is the status, size, and expected delivery of the next batch of chips? What about the one after that?

For me, this info would be too valuable to be made public (for competitors to set pricing policy for instance).
I would like to know of course, but I understand there is no way for me to know without competitors knowing too...
So as a shareholder I prefer AM to be quiet on this.

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April 13, 2014, 10:23:12 PM
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- What is the status, size, and expected delivery of the next batch of chips? What about the one after that?

For me, this info would be too valuable to be made public (for competitors to set pricing policy for instance).
I would like to know of course, but I understand there is no way for me to know without competitors knowing too...
So as a shareholder I prefer AM to be quiet on this.


I completely agree.  Keeping a competitive edge trumps shareholder information
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April 13, 2014, 10:42:18 PM
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- What is the status, size, and expected delivery of the next batch of chips? What about the one after that?

For me, this info would be too valuable to be made public (for competitors to set pricing policy for instance).
I would like to know of course, but I understand there is no way for me to know without competitors knowing too...
So as a shareholder I prefer AM to be quiet on this.


I completely agree.  Keeping a competitive edge trumps shareholder information

Okay, I understand your stance. Although I disagree decidedly (no hard feelings  Smiley). I don't see how this will get competitors a decisive edge over AM, as they'll be doing their best anyways. I think it is essential for shareholders getting to know those things. Friedcat has shared similar information before, and I think it should be up to him to decide if he wants to reveal those information.
What are you other guys and girls thinking? I like a constructive discussion!  Smiley

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April 13, 2014, 10:51:59 PM
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- What is the status, size, and expected delivery of the next batch of chips? What about the one after that?

For me, this info would be too valuable to be made public (for competitors to set pricing policy for instance).
I would like to know of course, but I understand there is no way for me to know without competitors knowing too...
So as a shareholder I prefer AM to be quiet on this.


I completely agree.  Keeping a competitive edge trumps shareholder information

Okay, I understand your stance. Although I disagree decidedly (no hard feelings  Smiley). I don't see how this will get competitors a decisive edge over AM, as they'll be doing their best anyways. I think it is essential for shareholders getting to know those things. Friedcat has shared similar information before, and I think it should be up to him to decide if he wants to reveal those information.
What are you other guys and girls thinking? I like a constructive discussion!  Smiley

I think I'm dying of suspense... I'm excited... but no divs, no updates... makes me a little crazy! What's going on!?
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April 14, 2014, 12:25:26 AM
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I would like to know more about how AM was involved with the AC container project... will AM shareholders see any of the fruits of that project?

Isn't this basically the immersion-cooling/container setup that gives us dividends?

Yes... that was the test one.  When AC sells that same system to some other company, does AM own any part of that action?  Early information that came out about the project made it sound to me AM owned the technology, not recent news leads me to believe AC owns the technology... who owns it... who benefits from it...  was AM only a testing partner and nothing more?

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April 14, 2014, 01:28:41 AM
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quick question, is anyone still maintaining that google drive shareholder list after each dividend?
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April 14, 2014, 03:44:41 AM
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Seriously... shouldn't we be more excited about this? I mean, even 1 KW/Thash is fine. As far as I know nobody else can do better and AM can probably out cost anyone. AM should start super mass producing these right? Right?

Yes without splitting hairs the grosso modo effect is there is a solid gen 3 standard ASIC in the hands of AM. The fact that this was done with the decision to utilize 40 nm process node manufactured in an environment where this is most economical to produce and backed by a proven entity like AM is significant.

What is done to capitalize on it could be of even greater significance.
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April 14, 2014, 05:01:25 AM
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Would be interesting to know what cooling/temps the 0.855W meassurement was taken.

The leakage currents depend on temperature and could increase significant if the chips were too hot, i.e. inefficient cooling was used. Not sure how significant this effect would be in this case. Might be neglectable....

Friedcats numbers could perhaps assume immersion cooling?

Then again the guy who did the testing probably knows this stuff heck of a lot better than me and didn't do any such misstakes.

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April 14, 2014, 06:09:46 AM
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Large dump just happened on Havelock: sold all the way down to 0.451. Lots of shares up for grabs in the low .50s.
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April 14, 2014, 06:12:30 AM
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Large dump just happened on Havelock: sold all the way down to 0.451. Lots of shares up for grabs in the low .50s.

let's hope the sell was intentional  Wink
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April 14, 2014, 06:35:18 AM
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I was just like why did my low balls get eaten
Any news ?
Or just some random person going screw it sell sell sell
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April 14, 2014, 06:38:21 AM
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I was just like why did my low balls get eaten
Any news ?
Or just some random person going screw it sell sell sell

Chip testing results were not great, more than someone thought it's better to be safe than sorry.
Bear market in btc probably over.
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April 14, 2014, 06:40:08 AM
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I was just like why did my low balls get eaten
Any news ?
Or just some random person going screw it sell sell sell

Initial tests shows that the chips are not as good as expected. some freakedout and sold since we all know that gen3 is considered at the current prices, included and thought of.

p.s. I utterly disagree in fact I just bought extra 50 shares to my stake because I am VERY bullish on ASICMINER at the moment

Will take me a while to climb up again, But where is a will, there is a way...
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April 14, 2014, 06:46:35 AM
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I was just like why did my low balls get eaten
Any news ?
Or just some random person going screw it sell sell sell

Chip testing results were not great, more than someone thought it's better to be safe than sorry.
Bear market in btc probably over.

Thanks
Saw that news in Rockxies thread but those were initial tests read Franks post as well so was of the opinion to wait guess I just balanced to the new range if the price holds (depending on the actual stable results)
Note: "Efficiency" is comparing the the ROCKMiner test blade with all other hardware. Data was obtained from The Genesis Block. ROCKMiner blade is only after very few, unoptimized tests. It is subject to change.

Well a few more days to confirm the real specs up or down hehe back to lurking  Cool

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April 14, 2014, 07:12:26 AM
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I think that Spoondoolies is missing from that list. Granted they are pretty new - I'm fairly certain their numbers come close to AM.

AM3 power usage is a bit better then Hammer (SP10 chips), but only a bit.

That said, it's Spond 1st ASIC, and the 2nd gen Rockerbox (SP30 chips, tape-out start of May) have already a much improved numbers:
http://storage.googleapis.com/spond_public/materials/rockerbox_brief.pdf
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April 14, 2014, 07:18:42 AM
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Last I heard tapeout was beginning of may. Has this changed?
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April 14, 2014, 07:25:57 AM
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SP30 chips, in tapeout now

Last I heard tapeout was beginning of may. Has this changed?

Sorry, mixed up indeed, corrected the post above.
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April 14, 2014, 09:40:36 AM
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I've just submitted our new batch of questions. Some of you voiced their concerns about asking "mission critical" questions. Some of you wrote more suggestions via PM and said the list was fine. In conclusion, I think it is in all shareholders' interest, to try and getting to know those things. If friedcat deems them to be internal or trade secrets, he may simply opt to not answer them. But I think it is well worth giving it a shot.

The questions I've submitted, with all amendments and minor alterations:

- Thank you Friedcat and the whole team of ASICMiner for always working very hard and being one of the few honest ASIC companies in the Bitcoin world!
- What is the status, size, and expected delivery of the next batch of chips? What about the one after that?
- What are the final specifications of the generation 3 chips? Initial tests of ROCKMINER showed an increased power consumption (http://blog.rockminer.com/#!/2014/04/13/Testing_Results_Of_BE200.md). What is the actual power consumption?
- When will the ordering terms for generation 3 chips be published? Has the pricing been adjusted in any way meanwhile? What about auctions like we had with generation 1 hardware?
- When are the new chips expected to start mining in ASICMiner datacenters and what hashrate are you currently planning on deploying?
- When are the sales revenues of the chips expected to be paid out to shareholders?
- What conditions/prices does ROCKMINER (as a big shareholder of ASICMiner) get for generation 3 chips?
- Is there an ongoing cooperation with Allied Control in terms of Datacenter development? How does ASICMiner/shareholders profit from it?
- What current plans for generation 4(+) are there?

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April 14, 2014, 10:27:25 AM
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I don't know if any of you were involved like I was but the KNC first batch went through this inefficiency stage as well.
They went through about 5-6 firmware versions before squeezing out the last of the efficiency...and I believe it was close to 50% better after optimizing the firmware.

My KNC uses ~320watts and hashes at 285gh rock steady.

I expect once they get better firmware the number on these Rockminer units will come down as well.

Stop looking for things to worry about.

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April 14, 2014, 10:45:58 AM
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I've just submitted our new batch of questions. Some of you voiced their concerns about asking "mission critical" questions. Some of you wrote more suggestions via PM and said the list was fine. In conclusion, I think it is in all shareholders' interest, to try and getting to know those things. If friedcat deems them to be internal or trade secrets, he may simply opt to not answer them. But I think it is well worth giving it a shot.

The questions I've submitted, with all amendments and minor alterations:

- Thank you Friedcat and the whole team of ASICMiner for always working very hard and being one of the few honest ASIC companies in the Bitcoin world!
- What is the status, size, and expected delivery of the next batch of chips? What about the one after that?
- What are the final specifications of the generation 3 chips? Initial tests of ROCKMINER showed an increased power consumption (http://blog.rockminer.com/#!/2014/04/13/Testing_Results_Of_BE200.md). What is the actual power consumption?
- When will the ordering terms for generation 3 chips be published? Has the pricing been adjusted in any way meanwhile? What about auctions like we had with generation 1 hardware?
- When are the new chips expected to start mining in ASICMiner datacenters and what hashrate are you currently planning on deploying?
- When are the sales revenues of the chips expected to be paid out to shareholders?
- What conditions/prices does ROCKMINER (as a big shareholder of ASICMiner) get for generation 3 chips?
- Is there an ongoing cooperation with Allied Control in terms of Datacenter development? How does ASICMiner/shareholders profit from it?
- What current plans for generation 4(+) are there?
need answers.

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