ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[rudrigorc2]

Id like to see a better picture and macro shot of that chip.

[jimmothy]

How long does it take to drain the tanks if someone needs to go in and fiddle with one of the boxes? Or do you leave malfunctioning units alone to not disturb the rest of the system, and if so, what's the cost of that over time? What kind of training do personnel need to safely work with these systems and what is the cost of these personnel relative to those who can work with a standard data center?

You don't need to drain the tanks. You can simply pull out the malfunctioning board.

Training shouldn't be too different from a normal datacenter.

A few % of savings may not seem worth it yet while the technology is still immature but once it is refined and perfected there will be no such thing as air cooled datacenters (no large ones at least)

[Bonam]

How long does it take to drain the tanks if someone needs to go in and fiddle with one of the boxes? Or do you leave malfunctioning units alone to not disturb the rest of the system, and if so, what's the cost of that over time? What kind of training do personnel need to safely work with these systems and what is the cost of these personnel relative to those who can work with a standard data center?

You don't need to drain the tanks. You can simply pull out the malfunctioning board.

Training shouldn't be too different from a normal datacenter.

A few % of savings may not seem worth it yet while the technology is still immature but once it is refined and perfected there will be no such thing as air cooled datacenters (no large ones at least)

Computer chips that have needed cooling have existed for decades, and immersion cooling has existed for decades, and immersion cooled systems have already been used where it makes sense to do so. I'm not seeing any particular reason why the there is suddenly going to be an imminent revolution in how cooling is done for the majority of datacenter applications.

[jimmothy]

Computer chips that have needed cooling have existed for decades, and immersion cooling has existed for decades, and immersion cooled systems have already been used where it makes sense to do so. I'm not seeing any particular reason why the there is suddenly going to be an imminent revolution in how cooling is done for the majority of datacenter applications.

Has 2 phase immersion cooling existed for decades? I think we will see a revolution as soon as the big players like google realize how much money/space/heat savings they would get from a little 2 phase liquid.

Coolermaster, Intel, and I'm sure many other companies are already working on prototypes/concepts for 2 phase. I think it is only a matter of time before it becomes the norm unless a significant drawback is discovered.

[bitcoin.newsfeed]

In that case... Stop whining and sell your shares already.  Or do you just come on here saying a lot of stupid angry things in a lame attempt to drive the price down?

No sorry, I have hundreds thousands of euros investment here, i'll be no quiet here, sorry. I need answers and results, its not fucking church money here and no, i don't want to sell at 0.5 BTC/share ... no comment.   worst "investment" in my life

[Xu]

In that case... Stop whining and sell your shares already.  Or do you just come on here saying a lot of stupid angry things in a lame attempt to drive the price down?

No sorry, I have hundreds thousands of euros investment here, i'll be no quiet here, sorry. I need answers and results, its not fucking church money here and no, i don't want to sell at 0.5 BTC/share ... no comment.   worst "investment" in my life

Seems to me if you are so deeply invested and want the price to go up, you should perhaps not be bashing the company but instead talk it up, or at least keep silent.

[Bonam]

In that case... Stop whining and sell your shares already.  Or do you just come on here saying a lot of stupid angry things in a lame attempt to drive the price down?

No sorry, I have hundreds thousands of euros investment here, i'll be no quiet here, sorry. I need answers and results, its not fucking church money here and no, i don't want to sell at 0.5 BTC/share ... no comment.   worst "investment" in my life

You invested "hundreds of thousands of euros" into something you randomly read about on an internet forum?

PM me for some exciting investment opportunities I have for you! 

[MichaelBliss]

In that case... Stop whining and sell your shares already.  Or do you just come on here saying a lot of stupid angry things in a lame attempt to drive the price down?

No sorry, I have hundreds thousands of euros investment here, i'll be no quiet here, sorry. I need answers and results, its not fucking church money here and no, i don't want to sell at 0.5 BTC/share ... no comment.   worst "investment" in my life

I don't believe you.  This is just too dumb.

[bitsalame]

In that case... Stop whining and sell your shares already.  Or do you just come on here saying a lot of stupid angry things in a lame attempt to drive the price down?

No sorry, I have hundreds thousands of euros investment here, i'll be no quiet here, sorry. I need answers and results, its not fucking church money here and no, i don't want to sell at 0.5 BTC/share ... no comment.   worst "investment" in my life

Seems to me if you are so deeply invested and want the price to go up, you should perhaps not be bashing the company but instead talk it up, or at least keep silent.

Dont ask for reason to fools.

[turtlerabbit]

i think the price can only go down.

[gomei]

The advantage of applying immersion cooling is mostly spatial [1]: it saves space by allowing a very high energy (hashing) density, and it loosens the constraints on where the miner rigs can be deployed. However, space doesn't seem to be a bottleneck as of now, but it might be in the (near) future. With immersion cooling the cost of the cooling fluids will become a nonnegligible (if not major) part of the whole operation, a consistent and calculated design of the PCB boards and the metal cooling tanks can minimize the consumption of cooling fluids and thus reduce costs. So, there's a lot of work to do other than manufacturing efficient hashing chips.

[1] Google data centers can achieve a PUE (Power Usage Effectiveness) of less than 1.06 [2], so I don't think a PUE of of less than 1.02 [3] achieved with immersion cooling is spectacularly impressive.
[2] https://www.google.com/about/datacenters/efficiency/internal/
[3] http://www.allied-control.com/publications/Full_Version_Bitcoin_2-Phase_Immersion_Cooling_and_the_Implications_for_HPC.pdf

really? got it

[bitcoin.newsfeed]

In that case... Stop whining and sell your shares already.  Or do you just come on here saying a lot of stupid angry things in a lame attempt to drive the price down?

No sorry, I have hundreds thousands of euros investment here, i'll be no quiet here, sorry. I need answers and results, its not fucking church money here and no, i don't want to sell at 0.5 BTC/share ... no comment.   worst "investment" in my life

Seems to me if you are so deeply invested and want the price to go up, you should perhaps not be bashing the company but instead talk it up, or at least keep silent.

Dont ask for reason to fools.

Well, its not hard to have so much money stuck in this company, thanks to Bitcoin EUR/BTC rate appreciation, but I shouldn't write on forums, when I was drunk ... but it doesn't change anything on fact, that we need complex update about company.

[jamesg72]

Ive been reading this thread occasionally, i am not an investor.   but i havent seen any discussion of this blog post from 4 days ago:

Code:

Testing Results Of BE200.md
We've got the results of one good testing board,it seems not very good,but sill can be accepted.We will receive more chips at next weekend if things are going well .

Results:

Board:one chip testing board
Frequency:360Mhz
Volt:0.72V
Hashrate per chip:11.52Ghash
Power consumption:6.375W per chip
Power consumption per Ghash:6.375/11.52=0.5539W/Ghash
After power supply changeover:0.5539/81% = 0.684W/Ghash（at blade）
Power consumption on wall:0.684/0.8 = 0.855W/G
Adding other components loss about 1KW/Thash
Tips:this result is not very accurate just for reference.

Posted at 2014-04-13

from:
http://blog.rockminer.com/

[trilogy456]

Ive been reading this thread occasionally, i am not an investor.   but i havent seen any discussion of this blog post from 4 days ago:

Code:

Testing Results Of BE200.md
We've got the results of one good testing board,it seems not very good,but sill can be accepted.We will receive more chips at next weekend if things are going well .

Results:

Board:one chip testing board
Frequency:360Mhz
Volt:0.72V
Hashrate per chip:11.52Ghash
Power consumption:6.375W per chip
Power consumption per Ghash:6.375/11.52=0.5539W/Ghash
After power supply changeover:0.5539/81% = 0.684W/Ghash（at blade）
Power consumption on wall:0.684/0.8 = 0.855W/G
Adding other components loss about 1KW/Thash
Tips:this result is not very accurate just for reference.

Posted at 2014-04-13

from:
http://blog.rockminer.com/

Check out their twitter: https://twitter.com/RockMinerInc

4 chips mounted on a single board. We'll await testing.

[notme]

In that case... Stop whining and sell your shares already.  Or do you just come on here saying a lot of stupid angry things in a lame attempt to drive the price down?

No sorry, I have hundreds thousands of euros investment here, i'll be no quiet here, sorry. I need answers and results, its not fucking church money here and no, i don't want to sell at 0.5 BTC/share ... no comment.   worst "investment" in my life

Seems to me if you are so deeply invested and want the price to go up, you should perhaps not be bashing the company but instead talk it up, or at least keep silent.

Dont ask for reason to fools.

Well, its not hard to have so much money stuck in this company, thanks to Bitcoin EUR/BTC rate appreciation, but I shouldn't write on forums, when I was drunk ... but it doesn't change anything on fact, that we need complex update about company.

So you've made massive EUR profits yet you bitch and moan like you lost something.  If you are investing in mining for btc profits you are doing it wrong.  Mining and mining companies are a hedge against falling bitcoin price.

[antirack]

Not sure if this has been posted here yet:

Here are the preliminary recommended board dimensions for immersion cooling. 

Anything goes with immersion, final decision up to the board designers discretion.

https://docs.google.com/a/allied-control.com/file/d/0ByWHHc0u_thNdzB3c2hvVzJkcTQ/edit

This is for the DataTank designs, which will be sitting in various data centers and ASIC hosting providers in the future.

http://www.allied-control.com/datatank

[minerpumpkin]

Not sure if this has been posted here yet:

Here are the preliminary recommended board dimensions for immersion cooling. 

Anything goes with immersion, final decision up to the board designers discretion.

https://docs.google.com/a/allied-control.com/file/d/0ByWHHc0u_thNdzB3c2hvVzJkcTQ/edit

This is for the DataTank designs, which will be sitting in various data centers and ASIC hosting providers in the future.

http://www.allied-control.com/datatank

Where does that come from? Sounds interesting and very bleeding edge!

[superduh]

come on mr cat. get your people excited

[ninjarobot]

FYI: There are more docs and a video in the Google drive 'Specs' folder:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByWHHc0u_thNMWtQeDNiT2duU0E&usp=drive_web

[drasted]

Does asicminer own any part of the immersion cooling tech or are they just a client that's using it?