ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[SebastianJu]

So AM is selling containers!

No. Its not. But ASICminer paid for R&D of these "proof of concept" 2-phase immersion cooling datacenters, but Friedcat suddenly decided to abandon this manufacturing and mining path and only sell chips. 

The decision of friedcat to not make enduser sales anymore but switch to b2b only doesnt mean that friedcat wont host his own miner farm. If you want to claim that you would need to say where you got your info from.

In fact its a good decision. Selling to resellers means more profit with less work and you havent to deal with refunds, support an all that kind of really time intensive work.

[lophie]

11.52Ghash at 6.375W...

Here I am hashing away at 37 Ghash at 320W

what is your hardware?

[Chris_Sabian]

11.52Ghash at 6.375W...

Here I am hashing away at 37 Ghash at 320W

what is your hardware?

AM Cube. 

Bought a few in November.  Sold a couple and mined with the others.

Paid bitcoin for them and was able to get a positive ROI.  Also was able to partially heat part of the house in the winter so the cost of heating was less. (still paid for the electricity but recouped the cost by mining bitcoins)

[chriswilmer]

http://blog.rockminer.com/#!/2014/04/13/Testing_Results_Of_BE200.md


Testing Results Of BE200

We've got the results of one good testing board,it seems not  good,but sill can be accepted.We will receive more chips at next weekend if things are going well .

Results:

Board:one chip testing board
Frequency:360Mhz
Volt:0.72V
Hashrate per chip:11.52Ghash
Power consumption:6.375W per chip
Power consumption per Ghash:6.375/11.52=0.5539W/Ghash
After power supply changeover:0.5539/81% = 0.684W/Ghash（at blade）
Power consumption on wall:0.684/0.8 = 0.855W/G
Adding other components loss about 1KW/Thash
Tips:this result is not very accurate just for reference.

Seems pretty good to me! Good enough to mass produce 100,000+ chips go go go go go g og ggogogogogo!

Seriously... shouldn't we be more excited about this? I mean, even 1 KW/Thash is fine. As far as I know nobody else can do better and AM can probably out cost anyone. AM should start super mass producing these right? Right?

[Franktank]

For those wondering comparisons with the competition:

Note: "Efficiency" is comparing the the ROCKMiner test blade with all other hardware. Data was obtained from The Genesis Block. ROCKMiner blade is only after very few, unoptimized tests. It is subject to change.

EDIT: Here are the updated numbers, please let me know of any more issues. Sorry for the confusion all.

EDIT2: I've taken down the chart. I'll repost it again when they have the final specifications. I apologize for any issues.

[eastpk]

I think that Spoondoolies is missing from that list. Granted they are pretty new - I'm fairly certain their numbers come close to AM.

[Franktank]

I think that Spoondoolies is missing from that list. Granted they are pretty new - I'm fairly certain their numbers come close to AM.

I'll take a look at it, I basically copied the data from The Genesis Block and from Rockxie's initial tests post. I'll reiterate that all numbers from the chart are purely hypothetical, with the exception of the ROCKMiner blade (based off of initial tests).

[chriswilmer]

...

...that can't be right. I think there's a zero missing somewhere. The ROCKMiner test was pretty close to 1 W per GH/s

[RoadStress]

I think that Spoondoolies is missing from that list. Granted they are pretty new - I'm fairly certain their numbers come close to AM.

I'll take a look at it, I basically copied the data from The Genesis Block and from Rockxie's initial tests post. I'll reiterate that all numbers from the chart are purely hypothetical, with the exception of the ROCKMiner blade (based off of initial tests).

So 11.52 GH for 0.855W? Really? Useless chart is useless.

[binaryFate]

0.855W is per GH, not for the whole chip.

[Franktank]

0.855W is per GH, not for the whole chip.

Damn it, my calculations were off. Misread that and I'll make corrections as necessary. Sorry all.

[bitcoin.newsfeed]

Damn it, my calculations were off. Misread that and I'll make corrections as necessary. Sorry all.

Power consumption on wall:0.684/0.8 = 0.855W/G

[eltopo]

I think that Spoondoolies is missing from that list. Granted they are pretty new - I'm fairly certain their numbers come close to AM.

Here's a review: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=525469

Hash rates vary between 1.4 and 1.6TH depending on temperature, and power consumption between 1.1 and 1.3KW from the wall.

That's about 0.8 W/GH.

Does anybody know which vendors are able to deliver < 1 W/GH with current models?

[AMuppInTime]

I think that Spoondoolies is missing from that list. Granted they are pretty new - I'm fairly certain their numbers come close to AM.

Here's a review: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=525469

Hash rates vary between 1.4 and 1.6TH depending on temperature, and power consumption between 1.1 and 1.3KW from the wall.

That's about 0.8 W/GH.

Does anybody know which vendors are able to deliver < 1 W/GH with current models?

At this point they are all below that level.
Cointerra has a 20nm at around .7W/GH that had started deliveries in January (TerraMinerIV).
(https://cointerra.com/cointerra-open-silicon-announce-tape-goldstrike1-asic/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvVCISb9N14

KNC has a proven <1W/GH via Jupiters, and is expected to deliver the .51W/GH Neptune this month - Although I couldn't find actual stats this guy has a detailled post as to why:
http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/resellers-affilicates/general-questions/30886-neptune-will-probably-be-4-875gh-at-2-237w-here-s-why-and-what-to-expect

Those numbers are not exactly good. We went from friedcat claiming [.2 (low power) to .35W/GH] to external manufacturers delivering specs that are entirely different(.85W/GH). As a shareholder I would have liked to hear about it here first, and from a direct source.

[jimmothy]

Cointerra is 28nm and 1.2w/gh at the wall.

Knc 28nm is more than 1w/gh and neptunes are expected to be 0.6w/gh at the wall. And neptunes are not shipping for at least 2 months.

0.8 w/gh at the wall is good but not as good as we hoped. But it is likely they can squeeze some more efficiency out of these chips.

[minerpumpkin]

I'm proposing the following questions I intend to submit to Friedcat. Anything to add?

- Thank you Friedcat and the whole team of ASICMiner for always working very hard and being one of the few honest ASIC companies in the Bitcoin world!
- What is the status, size, and expected delivery of the next batch of chips? What about the one after that?
- What are the final specifications of the generation 3 chips? Initial tests of ROCKMINER showed an increased power consumption. What is the actual power consumption?
- When are the new chips expected to start mining in ASICMiner datacenters?
- When are the sales revenues of the chips expected to be paid out to shareholders?
- Does ROCKMINER (as a big shareholder of ASICMiner) enjoy preferred terms or prices for generation 3 chips?
- What plans for generation 4(+) are there?

[aahzmundus]

I would like to know more about how AM was involved with the AC container project... will AM shareholders see any of the fruits of that project?

[minerpumpkin]

I would like to know more about how AM was involved with the AC container project... will AM shareholders see any of the fruits of that project?

Isn't this basically the immersion-cooling/container setup that gives us dividends?

[binaryFate]

- What is the status, size, and expected delivery of the next batch of chips? What about the one after that?

For me, this info would be too valuable to be made public (for competitors to set pricing policy for instance).
I would like to know of course, but I understand there is no way for me to know without competitors knowing too...
So as a shareholder I prefer AM to be quiet on this.

[Chris_Sabian]

- What is the status, size, and expected delivery of the next batch of chips? What about the one after that?

For me, this info would be too valuable to be made public (for competitors to set pricing policy for instance).
I would like to know of course, but I understand there is no way for me to know without competitors knowing too...
So as a shareholder I prefer AM to be quiet on this.

I completely agree.  Keeping a competitive edge trumps shareholder information