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Author Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It  (Read 3901407 times)
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April 12, 2014, 07:53:37 AM
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Just read the news with neo & bee and brewster.
Do you guys think this could also bring collateral damage to havelock as a platform? (in form of more attention by authorities because of legal issues)

Don't want to paint things too black but since the bitfunder-case last year i got quite cautious with these exchanges.

We need to make sure Havelock keeps on providing lists of the current shareholders to AM in case of some kind of breakdown/closure/freeze

yea...i really liked the proposal of binding accounts to wallet addresses recently.
not sure what has become of it, but it seemed like the best way to prevent any chaos in case of a shutdown.

Well havelock posted in the other thread that they only allow companies whose shares they control to list on the exchange so that case should not happen again

Replacement for NEOBEE[Q] and COG?
I agree.

For the record. Havelock Investments never offered NEOBEE or COG.
NEOBEE was a pass-through Fund.
COG was listed elsewhere and their shareholders requested to be listed on our exchange.
We no longer offer pass-thorough Funds unless the direct shares are managed directly by us as we do with the ASICMiner Fund.

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April 12, 2014, 10:30:52 AM
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Yeah well, this wouldn't help if Havelock goes missing, for whatever reason. We should encourage them to keep ASICMINER updated with a current list of shareholder's email addresses and preferably Bitcoin addresses.

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April 12, 2014, 04:38:10 PM
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Rich Miller has posted another interesting article on mining infrastructure: http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2014/04/07/datatank-immersion-containers-industrial-bitcoin-mining/
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April 12, 2014, 05:19:36 PM
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so ... what now? It took 2 days to assemble chips into PCB in Rockminer ... Friedcat has chips for 2 weeks now and nothing?

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April 12, 2014, 06:09:32 PM
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so ... what now? It took 2 days to assemble chips into PCB in Rockminer ... Friedcat has chips for 2 weeks now and nothing?

Ok, I'll bite: Would you prefer if there were just streams of intermittent "non-updates"? That friedcat would just log in and post meaningless updates and rough approximations every week, only to comeback to retract and provide new approximations? Because that's what other ASIC companies do and their customers seem to be "happy" with it. Those who've been around long enough know that he'll post when there is something substantial to post. You've seen the documents/pictures and read posts from third parties, draw your own conclusions from there.

Now with that said, I do agree that BitFountain would largely benefit by having a larger staff who could deal with these things but then they'd have to do background checks and etc. They would need proper procedures in place to ensure that their trade secrets aren't leaked. Will BitFountain have to deal with these issues eventually? They better if this project/business is meant to be long term. Right now, they're focused on chips and deployment and not PR. For now, it appears that the vast majority of the shareholders (myself included) are content with that.
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April 12, 2014, 06:33:32 PM
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Frank, it's about time to get some complex update about future of company, last one was more than 6 months ago.

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April 12, 2014, 06:52:13 PM
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Frank, it's about time to get some complex update about future of company, last one was more than 6 months ago.

According to this, it's will be 6 months by April 27th. With that said, I do agree that friedcat should provide some more info by the end of April at the very latest.
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April 12, 2014, 06:56:30 PM
Last edit: April 13, 2014, 09:31:01 AM by necro_nemesis
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What's with fuse F1? Bunch of diodes on this side of the board not showing, ICs U10, U9 and U6, switch SW1, resistor R22, and that fuse looks to be coming up short.
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April 13, 2014, 08:27:13 AM
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Rich Miller has posted another interesting article on mining infrastructure: http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2014/04/07/datatank-immersion-containers-industrial-bitcoin-mining/

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So AM is selling containers!

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April 13, 2014, 08:32:58 AM
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How do you arrive at AM being Allied Control?
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April 13, 2014, 08:48:16 AM
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I think they worked together to make the immersion cooled datacenter in Hongkong.
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April 13, 2014, 08:51:15 AM
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That's not enough to say that asicminer is manufacturing and supplying these containers. The hardware that will be housed by these containers on the other hand....
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April 13, 2014, 09:52:48 AM
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It's a concept.

Why don't we just build a sea lab near a fissure in the earth's crust to house a data center. We can use the ocean's cool water to dissipate heat from our Novec and power the facility via geothermal energy rising from the fissure. When boards fail Jar Jar can swim down and swap them out.  Roll Eyes
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April 13, 2014, 10:10:35 AM
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So AM is selling containers!

No. Its not. But ASICminer paid for R&D of these "proof of concept" 2-phase immersion cooling datacenters, but Friedcat suddenly decided to abandon this manufacturing and mining path and only sell chips.  Undecided

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April 13, 2014, 10:27:17 AM
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[..] Friedcat suddenly decided to abandon this manufacturing and mining path and only sell chips.  Undecided

Source? Or is this you presenting your own assumptions as cast in iron facts?

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April 13, 2014, 10:56:26 AM
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What's with fuse F1? Bunch of diodes on this side of the board not showing, ICs U10, U9 and U6, switch SW1, resistor R22, and that fuse looks to be coming up short.


What is your point? And where did this image come from?
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April 13, 2014, 11:09:37 AM
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Here's the source of the image above: http://blog.rockminer.com/#!/2014/04/11/Rockminer_update_of_11_April
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April 13, 2014, 12:08:25 PM
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Check it against the reference design posted earlier.

I haven't done so, but unpopulated components on boards is not something to be worried about at this point.
In my design iterations I have done this as well...where certain board features were added for testing purposes but not for large scale production. You aren't going to make several different board designs at this low level of production.

The missing features could also be for in circuit programming or electrical testing...or they may have simplified the design.

It could also be that they found out that since some components were faulty (as they have stated publicly) so they stopped the line and pulled these out not fully populated.

I really don't think this is a labcoin situation, those boards were so obviously fake garbage it wasn't funny.

These at look completely legit to me other than being missing some components.


Edit: After looking a the pictures more closely it looks to me like most of the power source circuit is missing.
The large connector missing at the board edge is the power input and you see the ground plane, large diodes, mosfet/transistor etc all entering the board and in that area. what they are doing is likely using a bench power supply to test the design and forgoing the use of the production physical connectors etc. The more precise bench supply allows them to skip all the circuits related to smoothing and level shifting the power source. 


 
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April 13, 2014, 12:45:01 PM
Last edit: April 13, 2014, 02:00:51 PM by necro_nemesis
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I came to many of the same conclusions about omitted components but then there's F1 which leads me to believe what was on the Gerber for the board is not what got ordered and attempted to be stuffed.

Also all boards are seemingly identical so if they pulled components they already did all. Conclusions about the boards simply provide further evidence that the ASIC is not the immediate concern.

@rockxie : You're on here trolling for IPO money and potential miner buyers; in return in all fairness what's currently up with the ASIC?
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April 13, 2014, 03:12:44 PM
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http://blog.rockminer.com/#!/2014/04/13/Testing_Results_Of_BE200.md


Testing Results Of BE200

We've got the results of one good testing board,it seems not  good,but sill can be accepted.We will receive more chips at next weekend if things are going well .

Results:

Board:one chip testing board
Frequency:360Mhz
Volt:0.72V
Hashrate per chip:11.52Ghash
Power consumption:6.375W per chip
Power consumption per Ghash:6.375/11.52=0.5539W/Ghash
After power supply changeover:0.5539/81% = 0.684W/Ghash(at blade)
Power consumption on wall:0.684/0.8 = 0.855W/G
Adding other components loss about 1KW/Thash
Tips:this result is not very accurate just for reference.
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