Bitcoin Forum
November 22, 2019, 01:28:09 PM *
News: 10th anniversary art contest
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  

Warning: Moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Watch out for Ponzi schemes. Do not invest more than you can afford to lose.

Pages: « 1 ... 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 [961] 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 ... 1348 »
  Print  
Author Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It  (Read 3901139 times)
ryepdx
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 714
Merit: 500



View Profile WWW
May 15, 2014, 08:42:00 PM
 #19201

Got it. Sounds like a close cousin of the miner's fallacy, except I can actually see how some people in this particular space might be focused on fiat returns rather than BTC returns, which is at least a valid option here. Unlike with miners, where you *are* essentially just buying expensive, noisy Bitcoin options.
1574429289
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1574429289

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1574429289
Reply with quote  #2

1574429289
Report to moderator
The Bitcoin Forum is turning 10 years old! Join the community in sharing and exploring the notable posts made over the years.
1574429289
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1574429289

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1574429289
Reply with quote  #2

1574429289
Report to moderator
Jonnybitc0in
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 12
Merit: 0


View Profile
May 15, 2014, 08:48:49 PM
Last edit: May 15, 2014, 10:24:15 PM by Jonnybitc0in
 #19202

I made a graph of asicminer stock in USD prices. I'm mystified at the affect USD/BTC price has on asicminer stock. Certainly cheap shares at the moment.
Charts based on historical data from btct, havelock and bitcoinwisdom. Time not to scale, data is approximate. Related chart and raw data @ http://imgur.com/a/EW74v#0
http://i.imgur.com/pPfLFZ3.png

Edit:
Here's a google doc by request for the asicminer/USD chart. If anyone has past data going back to IPO feel free to add. Hoping for blast off!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BlP2pp0wPAgcM2o_gp-cbtzEb1Na6hdquWP-n6VddDs/edit?usp=sharing
bitcoin tips appreciated: 1D6boCrAYKGKMgBFqgkJfxrzFm625icFUJ
neilol-real
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 142
Merit: 100


View Profile
May 15, 2014, 09:00:25 PM
 #19203

I made a graph of asicminer stock in USD prices. I'm mystified at the affect USD/BTC price has on asicminer stock. Certainly cheap shares at the moment.
Charts based on historical data from btct, havelock and bitcoinwisdom. Time not to scale, data is approximate. Related chart and raw data @ http://imgur.com/a/EW74v#0


Awesome chart, thanks for this work
aahzmundus
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 644
Merit: 500


Invest & Earn: https://cloudthink.io


View Profile
May 15, 2014, 09:13:25 PM
 #19204

I made a graph of asicminer stock in USD prices. I'm mystified at the affect USD/BTC price has on asicminer stock. Certainly cheap shares at the moment.
Charts based on historical data from btct, havelock and bitcoinwisdom. Time not to scale, data is approximate. Related chart and raw data @ http://imgur.com/a/EW74v#0


Link to your data in a shared google doc, and post a bitcoin address... for tips!

I would really like to encourage more stuff like this, lots of data about AM is available if you dig it up, and make human sense of it.  I think it really ads value for new investors and old alike to see things like this and put stuff in perspective.

hdbuck
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000



View Profile
May 15, 2014, 09:19:55 PM
Last edit: May 15, 2014, 09:57:10 PM by hdbuck
 #19205

with current btc price, breaking AM/USD ATH would be @1BTC/share Cheesy

first time i'm even hoping for btc price to drop a little bit further... so i guess this summer will be all about timing.. Grin
bitsalame
Donator
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 672
Merit: 503


Preaching the gospel of Satoshi


View Profile
May 15, 2014, 10:00:23 PM
 #19206

with current btc price, breaking AM/USD ATH would be @1BTC/share Cheesy

first time i'm even hoping for btc price to drop a little bit further... so i guess this summer will be all about timing.. Grin
Heh, you read my mind. I'm praying for that lol
hdbuck
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000



View Profile
May 15, 2014, 11:14:13 PM
Last edit: May 16, 2014, 12:03:54 AM by hdbuck
 #19207

yea, just sharing my .xls file with exact weekly prices from havelock and stamp.. needed to do it properly by myself, no offense JonnyBitc0in Wink

-> http://sharesend.com/grfu6ryf





edit: plus, here are my divs calcs :



depending if the next due divs correspond only to batch1-april, we should get about 0,023 BTC by the end of this month.
but it can also take into account batch2-may, and we would then have >0,1 BTC for sure! Cheesy
vortex1878
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 492
Merit: 500


View Profile
May 16, 2014, 12:03:27 AM
 #19208

yea, just sharing my .xls file with exact weekly prices from havelock and stamp.. needed to do it properly by myself, no offense JonnyBitc0in Wink

-> http://sharesend.com/grfu6ryf





edit: plus, here are my divs calcs :



depending if the next due divs correspond only to batch1-april, we should get about 0,023 BTC by the end of this month.
but it can also take into account batch2-may, and we would then have >0,1 BTC for sure! Cheesy

Very nice work. Thx a lot.

After this post I thought you had gone insane.

with current btc price, breaking AM/USD ATH would be @1BTC/share Cheesy

first time i'm even hoping for btc price to drop a little bit further... so i guess this summer will be all about timing.. Grin

But you prove you had not. Cheesy
mikemikemike
Copper Member
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 224
Merit: 100


View Profile
May 16, 2014, 12:22:56 AM
Last edit: May 16, 2014, 12:47:01 AM by mikemikemike
 #19209


Last two questions.

Does anyone know how much capital is retained from profits for future reinvestment?

Are there any other revenue streams apart from self mining, franchise mining and chip sales?


I don't believe any profits from Gen3 chip sales are going to be retained, thus the "aggressive" dividends.  I think friedcat has enough in reserves to cover Gen4 R&D.

Nope.  Those are the only revenue streams that I'm aware of.


The dividend schedule will be aggressive, as AM will not require large sums of retained capital. The rationale is that AM doesn't need to invest large sums into infrastructure and that the majority of chip production costs will be covered by the business partners on a contract schedule. The new round of dividends are scheduled to begin as soon as the first large purchases have concluded and should precede or coincide with the publication of the updated financial statements.



Thanks for this guys. Ill be intouch with the results once I've finished the projections and put together a sizeable amount of capital. Should be tomorrowish
Chris_Sabian
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 896
Merit: 1000



View Profile
May 16, 2014, 01:47:54 AM
 #19210

Yeah but it's priced in BTC, the US$ doesn't matter in this case. Please let's not start another US$ discussion.

But it's silly to assume that share value is completely isolated from the price of bitcoin. Share price *does* fluctuate with the price of bitcoin. Why do you imagine it would be otherwise? People trade BTC and fiat too, and to do that some of them have to sell Havelock shares. And the very fact that this has come up demonstrates that it at least affects trader psychology.

Yes, of course it isn't completely isolated, especially when huge fluctuations occur.
***Chris_sabian, please don't read any further***
But it doesn't make sense to claim "but hey, it's still worth a lot more valued in US$" Because if you got off at 4 BTC and just held the BTC, you'd have 8 times of what you have now.

Let's not talk this through again, I believe these discussions are one of the most re-occurring things around here (trading, mining, securities)...

Meh.  Live and learn I suppose.  I guess that I just missed a huge investment opportunity by 9 months (IPO until summer 2013)
gogxmagog
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1260
Merit: 1004


View Profile
May 16, 2014, 02:03:42 AM
 #19211

any guesses as to exactly when the divs arrive?
hdbuck
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000



View Profile
May 16, 2014, 02:12:51 AM
Last edit: May 16, 2014, 07:53:51 AM by hdbuck
 #19212

hum considering those 3 batches, there would then be a total of 10 900 000 chips.. or 109 000 000 GH (ie. 109 PH)... in comparaison, the network is "only" 73 PH currently... WTF Shocked



Beware the FLOOD. Cheesy Cheesy
hdbuck
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000



View Profile
May 16, 2014, 02:15:22 AM
 #19213

any guesses as to exactly when the divs arrive?

should be around 27th of may with financial reports as Jutarul's said. but i guess you could then add 1 week or 2.. still worth waiting tho imho Grin
bitdude
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 266
Merit: 250


View Profile
May 16, 2014, 08:28:58 AM
 #19214

thank you guys for the graphs and numbers, interesting
just a pity that there is too much fud in here, i'm looking here from time to time to get some real news and its always quite a journey to go over everything here Smiley
the FriedcatSays twitter was great, but unfortunately, it is not only FC who comes with good info relevant to AM, so looking only at that is not good enough

anyway, cheers to you all  Smiley

jimmothy
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 770
Merit: 500



View Profile
May 16, 2014, 09:10:19 PM
 #19215

Quote
HashRatio mining machine. The mining machine is mainly designed for large-scale deployments use mine, not in units of "units" for sale, generally units sold. A unit that contains 10 sets of small mines, power consumption 8-9KW , calculate the force 7.2-8T , price 68000 yuan.



http://www.cybtc.com/article-956-1.html
Franktank
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 574
Merit: 500


For Science


View Profile WWW
May 16, 2014, 09:21:32 PM
 #19216

Quote
HashRatio mining machine. The mining machine is mainly designed for large-scale deployments use mine, not in units of "units" for sale, generally units sold. A unit that contains 10 sets of small mines, power consumption 8-9KW , calculate the force 7.2-8T , price 68000 yuan.

http://www.cybtc.com/article-956-1.html

Are there any fellow Chinese investors that could translate that for us? Thanks in advance, should you do so.
Anotheranonlol
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 588
Merit: 500


View Profile
May 16, 2014, 10:17:27 PM
 #19217

Quote
HashRatio mining machine. The mining machine is mainly designed for large-scale deployments use mine, not in units of "units" for sale, generally units sold. A unit that contains 10 sets of small mines, power consumption 8-9KW , calculate the force 7.2-8T , price 68000 yuan.



http://www.cybtc.com/article-956-1.html

I received refund from them

kendog77
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 742
Merit: 500


View Profile
May 16, 2014, 10:18:06 PM
 #19218

Quote
HashRatio mining machine. The mining machine is mainly designed for large-scale deployments use mine, not in units of "units" for sale, generally units sold. A unit that contains 10 sets of small mines, power consumption 8-9KW , calculate the force 7.2-8T , price 68000 yuan.



http://www.cybtc.com/article-956-1.html

Is the power efficiency of the Gen3 AsicMiner chips really that bad? Surely they can't around 1.1W/GH, can they?

Google translate really butchered that article, so I can't make any sense out of it.
RoadStress
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1862
Merit: 1002


View Profile
May 16, 2014, 11:45:53 PM
 #19219

Quote
HashRatio mining machine. The mining machine is mainly designed for large-scale deployments use mine, not in units of "units" for sale, generally units sold. A unit that contains 10 sets of small mines, power consumption 8-9KW , calculate the force 7.2-8T , price 68000 yuan.



http://www.cybtc.com/article-956-1.html

Is the power efficiency of the Gen3 AsicMiner chips really that bad? Surely they can't around 1.1W/GH, can they?

Google translate really butchered that article, so I can't make any sense out of it.

We have 1.1W/GH since Jupiters, but the price is nice. I was expecting a higher price.

H/w Hosting Directory & Reputation - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622998.0
kendog77
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 742
Merit: 500


View Profile
May 17, 2014, 01:03:07 AM
 #19220

Quote
HashRatio mining machine. The mining machine is mainly designed for large-scale deployments use mine, not in units of "units" for sale, generally units sold. A unit that contains 10 sets of small mines, power consumption 8-9KW , calculate the force 7.2-8T , price 68000 yuan.



http://www.cybtc.com/article-956-1.html

Is the power efficiency of the Gen3 AsicMiner chips really that bad? Surely they can't around 1.1W/GH, can they?

Google translate really butchered that article, so I can't make any sense out of it.

We have 1.1W/GH since Jupiters, but the price is nice. I was expecting a higher price.

If the new chips really are around 1W/GH, the only advantage ASICMiner can possibly provide over the competition is a lower price, and there is already a race to the bottom on price.

I'm hardware agnostic, and must say that I'm very underwhelmed by the performance of these "next gen" chips if they really do use 1W/GH. I was expecting much better power efficiency.

Please tell me I'm wrong and the chips actually perform better than 1W/GH.
Pages: « 1 ... 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 [961] 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 ... 1348 »
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!