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Author Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It  (Read 3901408 times)
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April 14, 2014, 11:52:46 AM
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I was just like why did my low balls get eaten
Any news ?
Or just some random person going screw it sell sell sell

Initial tests shows that the chips are not as good as expected. some freakedout and sold since we all know that gen3 is considered at the current prices, included and thought of.

p.s. I utterly disagree in fact I just bought extra 50 shares to my stake because I am VERY bullish on ASICMINER at the moment

Agree. The unoptimized test results were good news. I don't know what these people who bailed were expecting? Nice opportunity to acquire. Hopefully more reasonably good news will drive it down further in the short term.  Grin
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April 14, 2014, 12:06:37 PM
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I was just like why did my low balls get eaten
Any news ?
Or just some random person going screw it sell sell sell

Initial tests shows that the chips are not as good as expected. some freakedout and sold since we all know that gen3 is considered at the current prices, included and thought of.

p.s. I utterly disagree in fact I just bought extra 50 shares to my stake because I am VERY bullish on ASICMINER at the moment

Agree. The unoptimized test results were good news. I don't know what these people who bailed were expecting? Nice opportunity to acquire. Hopefully more reasonably good news will drive it down further in the short term.  Grin

Well, I'm a declared bull in terms of AM. But I do understand, that it is tensing for people to receive such sobering results, especially when friedcat didn't speak since the "chips are working" confirmation. The results are, of course, no disaster but they aren't exactly what we've all hoped for. I do understand it when people have their doubts or feel uneasy, but I think this isn't the time for panic or rash decisions, either. This has been a preliminary test of an external party, done on a somewhat faulty board. I think it isn't far-fetched to assume that they haven't done all the optimizations that are possible or even made some mistakes. We should definitely wait until we receive further test results and/or statements from Friedcat. Even if the consumption actually is higher than expected, the chips still work and are on par - or even slightly better - than current competitors.

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April 14, 2014, 12:11:39 PM
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Agree. The unoptimized test results were good news. I don't know what these people who bailed were expecting? Nice opportunity to acquire. Hopefully more reasonably good news will drive it down further in the short term.  Grin

A power consumption 100% above expected is "good news"?

You can argue that it's not entirely unexpected, you can argue that it still beats many competitors, and you can argue that it may improve.

But calling it "actually good news" sounds somewhat disingenuous, don't you think?
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April 14, 2014, 12:45:44 PM
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Agree. The unoptimized test results were good news. I don't know what these people who bailed were expecting? Nice opportunity to acquire. Hopefully more reasonably good news will drive it down further in the short term.  Grin

A power consumption 100% above expected is "good news"?

You can argue that it's not entirely unexpected, you can argue that it still beats many competitors, and you can argue that it may improve.

But calling it "actually good news" sounds somewhat disingenuous, don't you think?

Put in perspective of being in the gen3 game or not, yes. I gather people underestimate the complexity of the task and just accept the ASIC will materialize as specified.
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April 14, 2014, 12:46:14 PM
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One thing to note is rockxie seems to have initially tested the chips at .72v.  I'm definitely no EE,  but FC did mention that the chips were versatile with several different modes.  The 0.2J/G he mentioned originally was stated to be at .55v,  which probably means a lower clock as well.  Rockxies boards appear to have only one crystal.. i think given this setup he hasn't really been able to see what low power mode does (or overclocking for that matter).   Will low power mode dump the consumption down ~50% ?  MY limited experience tells me probably not,  but .72 to .55 is quite a difference in and of itself..

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April 14, 2014, 12:50:43 PM
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A power consumption 100% above expected is "good news"?

You can argue that it's not entirely unexpected, you can argue that it still beats many competitors, and you can argue that it may improve.

But calling it "actually good news" sounds somewhat disingenuous, don't you think?

58% more (0.5539/0.35) than expected, not 100%. 
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April 14, 2014, 04:25:03 PM
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One thing to note is rockxie seems to have initially tested the chips at .72v.  I'm definitely no EE,  but FC did mention that the chips were versatile with several different modes.  The 0.2J/G he mentioned originally was stated to be at .55v,  which probably means a lower clock as well.  Rockxies boards appear to have only one crystal.. i think given this setup he hasn't really been able to see what low power mode does (or overclocking for that matter).   Will low power mode dump the consumption down ~50% ?  MY limited experience tells me probably not,  but .72 to .55 is quite a difference in and of itself..

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April 14, 2014, 04:57:58 PM
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One thing to note is rockxie seems to have initially tested the chips at .72v.  I'm definitely no EE,  but FC did mention that the chips were versatile with several different modes.  The 0.2J/G he mentioned originally was stated to be at .55v,  which probably means a lower clock as well.  Rockxies boards appear to have only one crystal.. i think given this setup he hasn't really been able to see what low power mode does (or overclocking for that matter).   Will low power mode dump the consumption down ~50% ?  MY limited experience tells me probably not,  but .72 to .55 is quite a difference in and of itself..

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Well, the rated voltage is 0.72 and is supposed to consume 0,35 J/GH/s and does consume 0,5539 J/GH/s in rockxie's test. We're not looking at low power modes at the moment. Right now we are at 160% of the advertised consumption. Yet, I don't see any reason why this can't be optimized further. Look at the improvements KNC managed to obtain through software, and we're even talking about hardware optimizations here. This is an experimental board!

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April 14, 2014, 05:48:38 PM
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One thing to note is rockxie seems to have initially tested the chips at .72v.  I'm definitely no EE,  but FC did mention that the chips were versatile with several different modes.  The 0.2J/G he mentioned originally was stated to be at .55v,  which probably means a lower clock as well.  Rockxies boards appear to have only one crystal.. i think given this setup he hasn't really been able to see what low power mode does (or overclocking for that matter).   Will low power mode dump the consumption down ~50% ?  MY limited experience tells me probably not,  but .72 to .55 is quite a difference in and of itself..

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April 14, 2014, 06:02:01 PM
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More selling on Havelock... *sigh* why do I feel like someone knows something I don't... based on what is publicly known, it would seem like a terrible time to sell right now.
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April 14, 2014, 06:35:08 PM
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More selling on Havelock... *sigh* why do I feel like someone knows something I don't... based on what is publicly known, it would seem like a terrible time to sell right now.

I doubt it's inside knowledge. People are afraid due to the increased consumption news rumours, while friedcat remains silent. There may be a problem, or everything is totally fine.

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April 14, 2014, 06:35:13 PM
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More selling on Havelock... *sigh* why do I feel like someone knows something I don't... based on what is publicly known, it would seem like a terrible time to sell right now.

On very low volume
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April 14, 2014, 06:45:21 PM
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terrible time to sell
=good time to buy Huh

Seriously, I think the final consumption will be a bit lower and it's good enough. In this case are more important the time and the size of batches.

Moving on is a simple thing,
what it leaves behind is hard...
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April 14, 2014, 06:46:30 PM
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preparing myself for a last scooping up of AM shares on Havelock Grin
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April 14, 2014, 06:48:43 PM
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More selling on Havelock... *sigh* why do I feel like someone knows something I don't... based on what is publicly known, it would seem like a terrible time to sell right now.

I doubt it's inside knowledge. People are afraid due to the increased consumption news rumours, while friedcat remains silent. There may be a problem, or everything is totally fine.

The actual power consumption was never going to be as low as the simulated results, it never is. It's still one hell of an efficient chip though, especially considering that it's 40nm and it's beating its 28nm competition. The chip's working fine.
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April 14, 2014, 06:48:49 PM
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terrible time to sell
=good time to buy Huh

Seriously, I think the final consumption will be a bit lower and it's good enough. In this case are more important the time and the size of batches.

I think the winning strategy at this point is to get the largest batch of chips made that is humanly possible and then move sky and earth to get the supply chain logistics worked out for all of the parts needed to build miners. It seems like every company out there is 100% selling out on PREORDERS, let alone actual miners.
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April 14, 2014, 07:01:58 PM
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I think the winning strategy at this point is to get the largest batch of chips made that is humanly possible and then move sky and earth to get the supply chain logistics worked out for all of the parts needed to build miners. It seems like every company out there is 100% selling out on PREORDERS, let alone actual miners.

Yes, but this is Friedcat, and he's acting very slow in every aspect  Roll Eyes  ...meanwhile the competition is very aggressive

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April 14, 2014, 08:27:45 PM
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The story has been the dividend and to rebuild the revenue stream to pay that dividend takes time. The way to benefit from that dividend is in retaining stock and do so for a lengthy period of time. All ASIC makers face the same challenges as AM did so looking-glass numbers are irrelevant to actual data. Efficiency is not limited to a measurement of power it's cost/GHash of the whole system end to end for the lifespan of the product and from that perspective I remain optimistic that this product remains competitive. One would also believe AM to have a leg up on the mining piece in having existing data centers that can be reutilized. What the stock price does in the short term is somewhat irrelevant if you're in for the dividend to find the value in holding it.
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April 14, 2014, 09:08:15 PM
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I would like to ask him what's his end game.
Is he gonna attempt to accomplish 20%+ of the hashing power as once promised or is he switching the objectives, abandoning self-mining altogether and becoming purely a manufacturer?
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April 14, 2014, 09:14:19 PM
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preparing myself for a last scooping up of AM shares on Havelock Grin

Was that you at 15:25?  Wink

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