ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[gog1]

I see this orphan, tx fee discussions as red herring.  Tx fee are insignificant relative to block reward.  Even if that tx fee becomes huge and ASICMINER solo mining is unable to capture them, it can always be limited to a couple of percent by pointing to mining pools again.

There's now technical / manufacturing issue (delay of blades) and potentially supply chain / demand forecast issue (USB ran out of stocks) - those are far more critical.

[canth]

I see this orphan, tx fee discussions as red herring.  Tx fee are insignificant relative to block reward.  Even if that tx fee becomes huge and ASICMINER solo mining is unable to capture them, it can always be limited to a couple of percent by pointing to mining pools again.

There's now technical / manufacturing issue (delay of blades) and potentially supply chain / demand forecast issue (USB ran out of stocks) - those are far more critical.

Agreed, in the short term, hardware sales are fare more lucrative so there is more of an impact on revenue.

Long term, I would say that it's not just as simple as pointing to a new pool. Let's put it bluntly - internet networking services in china are more problematic than 95% of the rest of the planet (yeah, North Korea, Iran and a few others are worse). Friedcat is going to have to add data centers outside of China or engage in "creative" networking solutions to work around the inherent flaws in the ChinaTel/ChinaUnicom solutions. If he needs it, I'm sure there are a number of experienced forum members who can help advise on this topic, myself included.

[canth]

ok thanks, I'm a very uneducated irrational speculator so this helps.

I'll have to do my homework on the other stocks. Though part of me is inclined to just cold storage these coins now and sit on them for a bit... BTC/USD price is displaying interesting behaviour atm

Buying mining stocks is like investing in BTC/fiat speculation but earning dividends + valuation increases on top of that. It's like a layered multiple, when valued against fiat. I think it's why most of us are here - we believe in BTC and we want to share in the mining rewards in addition to rather than instead of BTC/fiat investments.

[michaelGedi]

ok thanks, I'm a very uneducated irrational speculator so this helps.

I'll have to do my homework on the other stocks. Though part of me is inclined to just cold storage these coins now and sit on them for a bit... BTC/USD price is displaying interesting behaviour atm

Buying mining stocks is like investing in BTC/fiat speculation but earning dividends + valuation increases on top of that. It's like a layered multiple, when valued against fiat. I think it's why most of us are here - we believe in BTC and we want to share in the mining rewards in addition to rather than instead of BTC/fiat investments.

yep I get that part, the main question now is how to maximise my BTC after making an irrational sale... I believe in AM but 4ish could have been the ceiling for the time being. I don't have the time or expertise to make a calculation on this so reaching out to the community can (and not definitely will) help just to get a new perspective while I kick myself a bit.

[Jutarul]

yep I get that part, the main question now is how to maximise my BTC after making an irrational sale... I believe in AM but 4ish could have been the ceiling for the time being. I don't have the time or expertise to make a calculation on this so reaching out to the community can (and not definitely will) help just to get a new perspective while I kick myself a bit.

If you're uncertain don't sell it all, keep a fraction. Also re-investing all your BTC into equity is risky, because it exposes you to having to short sell. Don't get infected by the rampage going on in other stocks. Do your due diligence. Holding BTC is still a good strategy if you don't have the time to make bitcoin related investment decisions, because BTC itself is a commodity which is bound to appreciate and it has no counter-party risk.

Spray and pray can work - but only if you don't miss the golden goose. The mining landscape becomes more crowded now since the run-up in bitcoin price (which makes the NRE costs worth it). Please know that most of these offerings are a strategy of these companies to outsource the investment risk - i.e. the NRE and initial production costs - while retaining a large fraction of the equity. If these companies don't make back their NRE and production costs in yield (given they don't fail), then you're looking at an overvaluation at IPO. In that case it is prudent to wait until the valuation has adjusted to fairly priced.

The situation for ASICMINER is slightly different than for newcomers. ASICMINER is already well capitalized and can use proceeds to grow the operation and business. It would require a massive VC funding to get any of the newcomers equally capitalized. Thus ASICMINER has less risk exposure. However, as stated elsewhere, the pricing for ASICMINER has less room for growth (if you're searching for the 10-fold investment type).

[Franktank]

If you're uncertain don't sell it all, keep a fraction. Also re-investing all your BTC into equity is risky, because it exposes you to having to short sell. Don't get infected by the rampage going on in other stocks. Do your due diligence. Holding BTC is still a good strategy if you don't have the time to make bitcoin related investment decisions, because BTC itself is a commodity which is bound to appreciate and it has no counter-party risk.

Spray and pray can work - but only if you don't miss the golden goose. The mining landscape becomes more crowded now since the run-up in bitcoin price (which makes the NRE costs worth it). Please know that most of these offerings are a strategy of these companies to outsource the investment risk - i.e. the NRE and initial production costs - while retaining a large fraction of the equity. If these companies don't make back their NRE and production costs in yield (given they don't fail), then you're looking at an overvaluation at IPO. In that case it is prudent to wait until the valuation has adjusted to fairly priced.

The situation for ASICMINER is slightly different than for newcomers. ASICMINER is already well capitalized and can use proceeds to grow the operation and business. It would require a massive VC funding to get any of the newcomers equally capitalized. Thus ASICMINER has less risk exposure. However, as stated elsewhere, the pricing for ASICMINER has less room for growth (if you're searching for the 10-fold investment type).

+1, well said.

[ThickAsThieves]

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QUESTIONS

Does ASICMINER/Bitfountain intend to create and official website and/or blog outside of the bitcointalk forums?
 
Does ASICMINER have plans to develop a marketing campaign to extend beyond word of mouth and business on the bitcointalk.org?
 
Originally, board members were going to receive a test unit of an ASIC mining device. Will you provide this or any other tangible items to board members in the future?
 
Could we have an official live hashrate meter from ASICMINER?
 
For more transparency, is it possible to share a wallet address for depositing income from ASICMINER hardware sales?

What are the plans regarding the Official ASICMINER Exchange? Have they been dropped?

Besides mining, hardware sales, and fees, are there any other potential sources of revenue?
 

[madmax_ger]

Could we have an official live hashrate meter from ASICMINER?

great questions, nice work. But wasn't that quoted one already asked?
I remember FC said something like that they are working on this, and they would give access to that, then.

Am I wrong?
What's about this?

[maco]

Feeling good about AM

[empoweoqwj]

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QUESTIONS

Does ASICMINER/Bitfountain intend to create and official website and/or blog outside of the bitcointalk forums?
 
Does ASICMINER have plans to develop a marketing campaign to extend beyond word of mouth and business on the bitcointalk.org?
 
Originally, board members were going to receive a test unit of an ASIC mining device. Will you provide this or any other tangible items to board members in the future?
 
Could we have an official live hashrate meter from ASICMINER?
 
For more transparency, is it possible to share a wallet address for depositing income from ASICMINER hardware sales?

What are the plans regarding the Official ASICMINER Exchange? Have they been dropped?

Besides mining, hardware sales, and fees, are there any other potential sources of revenue?
 

Personally I'd much rather see a question in there about whether a sale of AM to a larger company is possible, and if so, under what conditions, and what would shareholders get out of it. There has been quite a bit of discussion about this on the boards and no two people seem to have the same take on it. Love to hear what friedcat had to say.

[lucasjkr]

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QUESTIONS

Does ASICMINER/Bitfountain intend to create and official website and/or blog outside of the bitcointalk forums?
 
Does ASICMINER have plans to develop a marketing campaign to extend beyond word of mouth and business on the bitcointalk.org?
 
Originally, board members were going to receive a test unit of an ASIC mining device. Will you provide this or any other tangible items to board members in the future?
 
Could we have an official live hashrate meter from ASICMINER?
 
For more transparency, is it possible to share a wallet address for depositing income from ASICMINER hardware sales?

What are the plans regarding the Official ASICMINER Exchange? Have they been dropped?

Besides mining, hardware sales, and fees, are there any other potential sources of revenue?
 

I would ask, believing that I heard that AM was aiming to maintain a steady 30% of the network hashrate, if that number is still achievable. Put another way, with BFL shipments obviously coming online, and other far more efficient offerings to come in the future from others (KnCMiner being an obvious contender, assuming, as always that they follow through) does AM believe that 30% is still achievable? If not, what number should we hope that AM will strive for? The target percentage of network hashrate having a huge impact on BTC flow, and therefore BTC dividends, and therefore the perceived value of AM, as an enterprise and on a per-sharew basis.

Or is that question too long?

[VolanicEruptor]

You're worried about BFL shipments coming online??  LOL that's like saying you're worried about USB asicminers coming online..

[helixone]

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Does ASICMINER/Bitfountain intend to create and official website and/or blog outside of the bitcointalk forums?
 
Does ASICMINER have plans to develop a marketing campaign to extend beyond word of mouth and business on the bitcointalk.org?
 
Originally, board members were going to receive a test unit of an ASIC mining device. Will you provide this or any other tangible items to board members in the future?
 
Could we have an official live hashrate meter from ASICMINER?
 
For more transparency, is it possible to share a wallet address for depositing income from ASICMINER hardware sales?

What are the plans regarding the Official ASICMINER Exchange? Have they been dropped?

Besides mining, hardware sales, and fees, are there any other potential sources of revenue?
 

I would ask, believing that I heard that AM was aiming to maintain a steady 30% of the network hashrate, if that number is still achievable. Put another way, with BFL shipments obviously coming online, and other far more efficient offerings to come in the future from others (KnCMiner being an obvious contender, assuming, as always that they follow through) does AM believe that 30% is still achievable? If not, what number should we hope that AM will strive for? The target percentage of network hashrate having a huge impact on BTC flow, and therefore BTC dividends, and therefore the perceived value of AM, as an enterprise and on a per-sharew basis.

Or is that question too long?

BFL is the least of anyone in the mining space's worries. (Well assuming you aren't actually waiting for a BFL hardware delivery.)

-helixone

[Super T]

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Does ASICMINER/Bitfountain intend to create and official website and/or blog outside of the bitcointalk forums?
 
Does ASICMINER have plans to develop a marketing campaign to extend beyond word of mouth and business on the bitcointalk.org?
 
Originally, board members were going to receive a test unit of an ASIC mining device. Will you provide this or any other tangible items to board members in the future?
 
Could we have an official live hashrate meter from ASICMINER?
 
For more transparency, is it possible to share a wallet address for depositing income from ASICMINER hardware sales?

What are the plans regarding the Official ASICMINER Exchange? Have they been dropped?

Besides mining, hardware sales, and fees, are there any other potential sources of revenue?
 

I would ask, believing that I heard that AM was aiming to maintain a steady 30% of the network hashrate, if that number is still achievable. Put another way, with BFL shipments obviously coming online, and other far more efficient offerings to come in the future from others (KnCMiner being an obvious contender, assuming, as always that they follow through) does AM believe that 30% is still achievable? If not, what number should we hope that AM will strive for? The target percentage of network hashrate having a huge impact on BTC flow, and therefore BTC dividends, and therefore the perceived value of AM, as an enterprise and on a per-sharew basis.

Or is that question too long?

BFL is the least of anyone in the mining space's worries. (Well assuming you aren't actually waiting for a BFL hardware delivery.)

-helixone

BFL aside, it's a good question. Given the recent IPO's and other announcements around new mining ventures  (Labrat,  BTC Garden Hashfast etc), it would be very useful to re-check FC's view on the likely total network hashrate at the end of the year, and what proportion of this the current business plan predict's AM will still control.

Also - is there a danger that hardware sales/franchises will be hit if the hashrate rises too steeply and hardware intended to be sold is instead required to maintain network percentage...

[notme]

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[Super T]

For more transparency, is it possible to share a wallet address for depositing income from ASICMINER hardware sales?

Would it be too hard to simply trace this back from divi payments? Anyone tried?

[Super T]

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I know patronising others is easy, but I don't see anything wrong with collaboratively discussing and refining potential questions here.  Particularly if the community can help answer quesions without the need to bother Friedcat.

[notme]

I know reading is hard, but posting here is not the way to get your question considered:

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I know patronising others is easy, but I don't see anything wrong with collaboratively discussing and refining potential questions here.  Particularly if the community can help answer quesions without the need to bother Friedcat.

I'm not trying to stop discussion.  I'm just trying to make sure people know that they have to actually submit the question.

[wo0x]

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Emphasis is TAT's

I know patronising others is easy, but I don't see anything wrong with collaboratively discussing and refining potential questions here.  Particularly if the community can help answer quesions without the need to bother Friedcat.

I'm not trying to stop discussion.  I'm just trying to make sure people know that they have to actually submit the question.

I cannot not find that link to the question election document. Or is TAT giving himselfs airs!?

[canth]

Personally I'd much rather see a question in there about whether a sale of AM to a larger company is possible, and if so, under what conditions, and what would shareholders get out of it. There has been quite a bit of discussion about this on the boards and no two people seem to have the same take on it. Love to hear what friedcat had to say.

Honestly, if this were a public company, as a shareholder you would not know about it until the deal was announced. The sale could be for more than the current share price, the same or less than the current share price. Any smart CEO isn't publicly selling the company right up until the point that it's sold - that's how they get the best price.