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August 22, 2013, 04:58:37 AM
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You were wrong.  Whales have not lost confidence.  Unless eb3full isn't being honest about big players buying his shares.  Is that what you think?


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August 22, 2013, 05:00:12 AM
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Or you could be pumping up the price.

I am pumping the price, but I'm also telling the truth. That's the whole reason I posted. I realized my huge sell-offs were scaring people and causing a false prophecy sort of situation.

I don't want people thinking there's some mysterious board member or catastrophe and you have to run for the hills, when it's really just a high-school dropout with too much emotion in his trading.
 

But Vycid says that there are tons of whales ready to dump.  So if that is true you can't be telling the truth.

Would you mind demonstrating the slightest logical incompatibility between his statements and other whales being ready to dump?

Most people with significant AM holdings are sophisticated enough to understand not everyone can sell their shares at current prices, because there's little underlying value. It's just a matter of time.

You'd better start assimilating new information before it's too late. There is a reason somebody would dump millions USD at 'below market'- he knows it won't sell at current prices. The whales don't believe in AM anymore and there was never 160M of value here.

You were wrong.  Whales have not lost confidence.  Unless eb3full isn't being honest about big players buying his shares.  Is that what you think?

Oh yes, I see the error in my logic. One whale = all whales. Forgive my foolishness.

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August 22, 2013, 05:01:31 AM
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Nope all whales
We can confirm it with the shareholder document  Wink
Unless you want to call out this data
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtqphFCP56ordGVCakJxSU90MlB4MlBkZENya25pS2c#gid=9
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August 22, 2013, 05:03:25 AM
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Oh yes, I see the error in my logic. One whale = all whales. Forgive my foolishness.

well, technically, 2 whales.  Maybe more.  He said "big players".  Implies more than one.

I don't know how many whales there are, so I don't know if 3 whales is a lot or not.  Huh

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August 22, 2013, 05:04:28 AM
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I would prob say that anyone close to or over board-seat qualifies. So between 3-5k shares?

How many board seats do you have, Swede?

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I'd def say that 10k BTC can cause quite a swing when they move around enough.
with 10k btc, you could crash every single security out there, and make up whatever story you wanted for the reasons.

Hah. I am solidly a "Guppy" with my double digit ownership Smiley

I would prob speculate that most "whales" are indeed holding steady. If you have $1 million + invested its fairly unlikely that a single week of 'underperforming' dividend really shakes you up. Especially considering almost all really major share holders have average purchase prices so low that not only have they made back their entire initial investment several times over in dividends but can realize several hundred % profit from selling anywhere over 1 BTC.

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August 22, 2013, 05:05:40 AM
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Nope all whales
We can confirm it with the shareholder document  Wink
Unless you want to call out this data
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtqphFCP56ordGVCakJxSU90MlB4MlBkZENya25pS2c#gid=9

All I see is 31 individuals with 1000 shares or more. There is nothing to suggest none of them are planning to make an exit.

Like one nearly did today.

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August 22, 2013, 05:07:02 AM
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Nope all whales
We can confirm it with the shareholder document  Wink
Unless you want to call out this data
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtqphFCP56ordGVCakJxSU90MlB4MlBkZENya25pS2c#gid=9

All I see is 31 individuals with 1000 shares or more. There is nothing to suggest none of them are planning to make an exit.

There is also nothing to suggest some of them are planning to make an exit any time soon, in fact their is something to suggest that more of them are interesting in increasing their positions.
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August 22, 2013, 05:09:55 AM
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Nope all whales
We can confirm it with the shareholder document  Wink
Unless you want to call out this data
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtqphFCP56ordGVCakJxSU90MlB4MlBkZENya25pS2c#gid=9

If 2,000 shares is the minimum for whale status, then I count 13 whales (don't count the PTs)

we know at least 3 whales are not dumping, based on eb3full's information.  That's pretty decent odds.

Can Vycid give us some evidence of 1 whale wanting to dump?

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August 22, 2013, 05:11:25 AM
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Hah. I am solidly a "Guppy" with my double digit ownership Smiley

I would prob speculate that most "whales" are indeed holding steady. If you have $1 million + invested its fairly unlikely that a single week of 'underperforming' dividend really shakes you up. Especially considering almost all really major share holders have average purchase prices so low that not only have they made back their entire initial investment several times over in dividends but can realize several hundred % profit from selling anywhere over 1 BTC.

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well said, Swede.  Very clear logic. You're a gentleman and a scholar.

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August 22, 2013, 05:11:35 AM
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Thanks for the cheap shares, I am now over a goal I set a while ago and am feeling great. TY!!!
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August 22, 2013, 05:14:24 AM
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Update

We have collected several shareholders' questions for answering.

Could we have an official live hashrate meter from ASICMINER?
We have an internal one, mainly for troubleshooting when some of the racks going down. The hashrate meter based on the blocks mined reflects more of the real speed (plus luck of course). We will buy more bandwidth before making it accessible by the whole internet. It also requires more commitment in maintenance.

For more transparency, is it possible to share a wallet address for depositing income from ASICMINER hardware sales?
We use a different deposit address for each payment transaction. But a centralized nexus address is good. Then people could see how the funds are separated as dividends and expenses.

Besides mining, hardware sales, and franchising, are there any other potential sources of revenue?
There are many possible ones considered, but none can support serious sound business model based on a 1-2billion dollar total market value of Bitcoin: selling patents, offering solution for mining farm construction, assembly service, etc.

Why has the hashrate dropped the past weeks?
It dropped in different few days. Some of them are internal hardware/network glitches, some of them are luck based. We haven't identified any form of DDOS attacks recently though.

There hasn't been a huge hardware dividend payoff: is it because of reduced margins, or delays?
Because we are collecting funds to get ready for the exponentially increased devices to be assembled in September and October.

How are things going regarding your business plan? Did you account for the sudden network hashrate increase? How is the international expansion of ASICminer coming along?
The business plan is unchanged. The network hashrate increase was still under our projection. The total hash target originally set for the end of this year would probably achieved earlier.
The ASICMiner expansion via franchising is still much within China border. The internationally deployed portion will dominate when the gain of operation cost outweigh the delay and cost of international shipping/assembling abroad.

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August 22, 2013, 05:15:05 AM
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friedcat: are you opening up franchising to shareholders in a general sense or is shipping and collateral too much of a pain for it?

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August 22, 2013, 05:16:20 AM
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hey friedcat!  how are ya?

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August 22, 2013, 05:17:23 AM
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Nope all whales
We can confirm it with the shareholder document  Wink
Unless you want to call out this data
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtqphFCP56ordGVCakJxSU90MlB4MlBkZENya25pS2c#gid=9

All I see is 31 individuals with 1000 shares or more. There is nothing to suggest none of them are planning to make an exit.

There is also nothing to suggest some of them are planning to make an exit any time soon, in fact their is something to suggest that more of them are interesting in increasing their positions.

I've already produced a rational argument why you should expect them to attempt to exit. I will repeat it here.

As we saw today, the market cannot support significant sell volume. This is unsurprising, since the share price is buoyed by sentiment and not underlying value. ASICMiner has nowhere near 1.2 million BTC worth of assets and intangibles, so it is impossible for all holders to liquidate the current market value of their shares.

So, if everyone cannot liquidate completely, then it is the first actor who profits most. From a game theoretical perspective, every whale should be searching for the best way to be the first one out without demolishing the value of their own shares.

We have already observed some of that action by the daily filling of the bid wall.

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August 22, 2013, 05:17:36 AM
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He's alive.. I thought he got fried

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August 22, 2013, 05:17:51 AM
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Thanks for the update! That'll start the rally for the coming fall!
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August 22, 2013, 05:21:40 AM
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Update

We have collected several shareholders' questions for answering.

Could we have an official live hashrate meter from ASICMINER?
We have an internal one, mainly for troubleshooting when some of the racks going down. The hashrate meter based on the blocks mined reflects more of the real speed (plus luck of course). We will buy more bandwidth before making it accessible by the whole internet. It also requires more commitment in maintenance.

For more transparency, is it possible to share a wallet address for depositing income from ASICMINER hardware sales?
We use a different deposit address for each payment transaction. But a centralized nexus address is good. Then people could see how the funds are separated as dividends and expenses.

Besides mining, hardware sales, and franchising, are there any other potential sources of revenue?
There are many possible ones considered, but none can support serious sound business model based on a 1-2billion dollar total market value of Bitcoin: selling patents, offering solution for mining farm construction, assembly service, etc.

Why has the hashrate dropped the past weeks?
It dropped in different few days. Some of them are internal hardware/network glitches, some of them are luck based. We haven't identified any form of DDOS attacks recently though.

There hasn't been a huge hardware dividend payoff: is it because of reduced margins, or delays?
Because we are collecting funds to get ready for the exponentially increased devices to be assembled in September and October.

How are things going regarding your business plan? Did you account for the sudden network hashrate increase? How is the international expansion of ASICminer coming along?
The business plan is unchanged. The network hashrate increase was still under our projection. The total hash target originally set for the end of this year would probably achieved earlier.
The ASICMiner expansion via franchising is still much within China border. The internationally deployed portion will dominate when the gain of operation cost outweigh the delay and cost of international shipping/assembling abroad.

Woot Friedcat
I knew you were due for a post sooner or later thanks for posting  Wink
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August 22, 2013, 05:23:14 AM
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Update

We have collected several shareholders' questions for answering.
Besides mining, hardware sales, and franchising, are there any other potential sources of revenue?
There are many possible ones considered, but none can support serious sound business model based on a 1-2billion dollar total market value of Bitcoin: selling patents, offering solution for mining farm construction, assembly service, etc.

Interesting, very interesting....

Anyone know patent law well enough on ASIC chip set, size, and application?
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August 22, 2013, 05:25:11 AM
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I've produced a rational argument why you should expect them to attempt to exit.

As we saw today, the market cannot support significant sell volume. This is unsurprising, since the share price is buoyed by sentiment and not underlying value. ASICMiner has nowhere near 1.2 million BTC worth of assets and intangibles, so it is impossible for all holders to liquidate the current market value of their shares.

So, if everyone cannot liquidate completely, then it is the first actor who profits most. From a game theoretical perspective, every whale should be searching for the best way to be the first one out without demolishing the value of their own shares.

what security does have the volume to support massive liquidation?  None of them.  Not even BTC itself on most exchanges.  That does not mean the value of the company is any less, it means that not many orders are posted on the exchange.  Pass-through shares are always going to be like that because they represent a very small part of the company.  

Look at how many shares are on BTCT: ~26K.  That's just 6.5% of the shares.  And out of those 26K, how many shares changed hands today? ~1400.  So, like 0.35%.  That's a very small sample.

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August 22, 2013, 05:34:44 AM
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We have already observed some of that action by the daily filling of the bid wall.

How do you know it isn't different people?  How do we know it isn't you?  How many shares are exchanged during those manipulations?

It's hardly a "whale" if it's a few dozen shares.

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