ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[AMuppInTime]

You're quoting an interview in a foreign language, when you claimed friedcat's "Own words":
The content is known to have been misinterpreted, and claims within are obviously off (3rd gen already developed? right...)
As far as you requesting quotes, you should try a taste of your own medicine and do your own research instead of "As far as I know / 99% sure / probably"
Edit: CoinTerra isn't hashing yet, but they are planning to next month and do accept CreditCard or Paypal which provides a layer of protection for investment.

[jimmothy]

You're quoting an interview in a foreign language, when you claimed friedcat's "Own words":
The content is known to have been misinterpreted, and claims within are obviously off (3rd gen already developed? right...)
As far as you requesting quotes, you should try a taste of your own medicine and provide them yourself instead of "As far as I know / 99% sure / probably"

An interview in friedcats native language. Nobody including board members from the chinese forums or these have claimed the interview is false. FC has not said anything regarding the interviews illegitimacy and what Friedcat has confirmed goes with exactly what the interview says which is gen3 coming 1st quarter of 2014. 3rd gen may very well have been developed who knows. I am sure BFL "developed" their asics 2 years ago.

So again has any other competitor besides KNC stopped shipping to provide better profits?

And where is the official statement from cointerra stating they are hashing? I couldn't find it and surely this would be huge news. But I did find that they missed nearly every deadline by a huge margin. Looking like first shipments are going to be jan at the earliest. Wouldn't be surprised if they pulled a BFL and took 6 months and refuse to refund preorders.

[AMuppInTime]

An interview in friedcats native language. Nobody including board members from the chinese forums or these have claimed the interview is false. FC has not said anything regarding the interviews illegitimacy and what Friedcat has confirmed goes with exactly what the interview says which is gen3 coming 1st quarter of 2014. 3rd gen may very well have been developed who knows. I am sure BFL "developed" their asics 2 years ago.

So again has any other competitor besides KNC stopped shipping to provide better profits?

Many folks have argued about the legitimacy of the translation / interpretation: It's quite the subject if you go back and dwell through the pages. I agree that I'd like to hear an "official" statement on the current plans though.
I was merely pointing out that most of your "info" is conveniently distorted.

[jimmothy]

An interview in friedcats native language. Nobody including board members from the chinese forums or these have claimed the interview is false. FC has not said anything regarding the interviews illegitimacy and what Friedcat has confirmed goes with exactly what the interview says which is gen3 coming 1st quarter of 2014. 3rd gen may very well have been developed who knows. I am sure BFL "developed" their asics 2 years ago.

So again has any other competitor besides KNC stopped shipping to provide better profits?

Many folks have argued about the legitimacy of the translation / interpretation: It's quite the subject if you go back and dwell through the pages. I agree that I'd like to hear an "official" statement on the current plans though.
I was merely pointing out that most of your "info" is conveniently distorted.

Most of the info in the interview is speculative which is why you wont hear an official statement. FC has come through on just about every promise he made to this point so it is understandable he would want to only make official statements he can deliver on. I am sure if FC wanted he could imaginate some specs/prices for gen3 hardware equivalent to knc/cointerras preorders. However history has shown us that avoiding the preorder route is the way to go.

I still would love to know the answer to these questions:

Has any other competitor besides KNC stopped shipping to provide better profits?

Where is the official statement from cointerra stating they are hashing?

But again preorders don't mean diddly squat as BFL taught us.

[AMuppInTime]

I still would love to know the answer to these questions:

Has any other competitor besides KNC stopped shipping to provide better profits?
Where is the official statement from cointerra stating they are hashing?
But again preorders don't mean diddly squat as BFL taught us.

Well then maybe you should start looking for answers? It's called "research". You shoud try it.

[OneMINER]

This is pretty obviously an attempt to hijack this thread. I think this is off topic and we should have our arguments about other companies and manufacturers elsewhere. I suggest we ignore or stop responding to off topic posts.

[Lohoris]

As I said in the other thread...

PLEASE STOP FEEDING THE TROLL

jimmothy is a known troll, he was already busy polluting the Havelock IPO thread again with his nonsense arguments and apparent reading comprehension: that's just plain old trolling.

Just click the ignore button and let the sane speculations go on.

Internet grows, the rules are still the same as 15 years ago: do not feed the trolls.

[Vycid]

As I said in the other thread...

PLEASE STOP FEEDING THE TROLL

jimmothy is a known troll, he was already busy polluting the Havelock IPO thread again with his nonsense arguments and apparent reading comprehension: that's just plain old trolling.

Just click the ignore button and let the sane speculations go on.

Internet grows, the rules are still the same as 15 years ago: do not feed the trolls.

Without knowing the extent of jimmothy's alleged trollitude, I'd suggest caution... just because someone is much more bearish or bullish than you doesn't mean their arguments are invalid (case in point).

He may deserve it. Just make sure you're hitting the ignore button for the right reasons.

[jimmothy]

As I said in the other thread...

PLEASE STOP FEEDING THE TROLL

jimmothy is a known troll, he was already busy polluting the Havelock IPO thread again with his nonsense arguments and apparent reading comprehension: that's just plain old trolling.

Just click the ignore button and let the sane speculations go on.

Internet grows, the rules are still the same as 15 years ago: do not feed the trolls.

The more you follow me around and post how I'm a troll the less of an effect your statement has. I am an AM fanboy admittedly but I would say far from a troll.

You on the otherhand. Labelling me a troll because you think havelock is a scam is immature. Get over it. The majority of us using an exchange   are still using havelock and investing in asicminer without your pro guidance.

I am actually interested if cointerra has began mining as someone said earlier. But debating about nonexistent hardware is pointless especially if there is no evidence the company can deliver.

Knc has shown it can deliver and definitely provides competition but that is about it imo.

Cointerra, hashfast, bfl, etc.. will probably continue to miss deadlines and or miss advertised hardware specs.

If there is one thing I ask you do it is prove me wrong with evidence. This way you can make me look stupid, while at the same time increasing the intellegence of everyone reading this thread who interpreted the information the same as me.

Or you can keep posting "jimmothy is a troll" and see how well that goes.

[Lohoris]

Without knowing the extent of jimmothy's alleged trollitude, I'd suggest caution... just because someone is much more bearish or bullish than you doesn't mean their arguments are invalid (case in point).

He may deserve it. Just make sure you're hitting the ignore button for the right reasons.

In this case I'm sure, just read Havelock IPO's thread, he's must definitely a troll.
(or he's so utterly stupid that it makes no difference)

[hammurabi]

Without knowing the extent of jimmothy's alleged trollitude, I'd suggest caution... just because someone is much more bearish or bullish than you doesn't mean their arguments are invalid (case in point).

He may deserve it. Just make sure you're hitting the ignore button for the right reasons.

In this case I'm sure, just read Havelock IPO's thread, he's must definitely a troll.
(or he's so utterly stupid that it makes no difference)

AM share price plummeted
and all-around-love in this thread is gone.

[ft73]

I still would love to know the answer to these questions:

Has any other competitor besides KNC stopped shipping to provide better profits?
Where is the official statement from cointerra stating they are hashing?
But again preorders don't mean diddly squat as BFL taught us.

Well then maybe you should start looking for answers? It's called "research". You shoud try it.

Care not to quote him?
Thank you.

[Zubilica]

In business in general , no news is good news. But in BTC world no news are delays. Right now BTC price is falling a bit , a few ppl are getting out selling shares and BTC. Also there is a huge pressure of selling from ppl who bought SebastianJu's shares.

I see price of AM share dropping by the hour and i do not like it. We all expect news from FC and complete silence is starting to be annoying

[AMuppInTime]

In business in general , no news is good news. But in BTC world no news are delays. Right now BTC price is falling a bit , a few ppl are getting out selling shares and BTC. Also there is a huge pressure of selling from ppl who bought SebastianJu's shares.

I see price of AM share dropping by the hour and i do not like it. We all expect news from FC and complete silence is starting to be annoying

1) We've had an update on Nov 22. friedcat usually posts around the 20 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=49840;sa=showPosts)
2) There are too many who look at ASICminer with blinders. We need more grounding.

I miss the guys who used to run analysis and post graphs/predictions. Did they all leave?

[jimmothy]

In business in general , no news is good news. But in BTC world no news are delays. Right now BTC price is falling a bit , a few ppl are getting out selling shares and BTC. Also there is a huge pressure of selling from ppl who bought SebastianJu's shares.

I see price of AM share dropping by the hour and i do not like it. We all expect news from FC and complete silence is starting to be annoying

1) We've had an update on Nov 22. friedcat usually posts around the 20 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=49840;sa=showPosts)
2) There are too many who look at ASICminer with blinders. We need more grounding.

I miss the guys who used to run analysis and post graphs/predictions. Did they all leave?

I think the only one with blinders on is you. We all know asicminer is working on gen3 hardware to be released 1st quarter of 2014 at the same time or before competitors release their new products. Not surprising. Not news. Just the current plan we have known about for months now.

If you think that imaginating specs for gen3 hardware is "grounding" you are simply wrong. We are going to see the share price dwindle until around February when gen3 is announced and sold which will cause the share price to skyrocket.

So gen3 badass hardware is coming soon. What more info do you want? Made up specs that may or may not be true? Would preorders make you happy?

[apollojmr]

Honestly there are WAY too many obsessed people that cannot see the obviuos and consistently argue about AM and other companies. I have never in my life seen so many people that are DAILY posting bullcrap about speculation and bringing the value of an overnight multimillion dollar company down by speculating and starting rumors. I am ashamed to even have potential investors that WOULD bring the value up look at this thread. STOP acting like bitches and making this companies stock go down and START acting like grown ass adults that could have the capability to run a company. NOT (1) one person posting lately would even have the balls to come out in public and spread the bullshit rumors or say the stuff they say about how bad this company is. I have an idea..........stop whining about how FC never says shit and look at the facts. To quote an actual good post~"There's a lot of complaining in this thread lately, which is understandable, considering large swings in stock prices can cause strong emotions.
I just wanted to put this whole thing in a bit more perspective: about 16 months ago, Bitfountain collected about $100k from investors to complete some chips. Today, they have a large warchest of savings, a steady income stream, and they are working in parallel on the 3rd generation of chips, liquid cooling +++, and the company is "valued" at approximately $100 million (not to mention that investors have already collectively received payouts of about XBT 240k, almost $200 million at today's prices). In light of this, my personal opinion is that we should at least keep the discourse respectful.
From my point of view, the company has plenty of promise and is busy fulfilling the promise. Competition has grown stronger, but anybody surprised by that is a pinhead - it was obvious from the start there would be an ASIC price-war/arms race. But there will be several winners, and AM is well-positioned to be one of them: well-funded, well-located, experienced and (dare I say?) visionary.
I'm not trying to talk the price up or anything (I don't care much about the flavor of the month), I just wanted to point out that, in my humble opinion, AM has delivered magnificently so far, and has staying power for the long term."~Quote from bitfair~

So please quit speculating and whining about this company EVERYDAY and start doing something positive to get the value up.

[razorfishsl]

Actually it is you living in cloud Cookoo land, before you start crying about trolling, companies have a LEGAL responsibility for disclosure. 'secret' and 'non-disclosure' is a BULLSHIT cloud from which 'rip off' and 'con man' operate.

There is something called corporate responsibility, and certainly from my research into operations in Hong Kong, bitcoin operations are nearly always being operated illegally.
Problem is… that WITH A PROPERLY REGISTERED BUSINESS the Government actually indemnifies investors to a certain degree.
But they do demand that a company trading shares meets certain rules are related to accountancy, and in fact any PERSON trading shared in a HK' entity'/ 'instrument'  or indeed giving financial advice without proper regulatory approval can end up with a 5 year jail term, and a money laundering tag/investigation for anyone involved or invested with such companies.
And yes…. Publishing spreadsheets is considered  'giving advice' if the data contained in them has not been correctly audited by a CPA or they do not comply to the accountancy standards of Hong Kong, is also illegal.

Yep … operating out of Kwai Chung in HK does qualify the business to need proper registration AND FULLY COMPLY with HK regulation for disclosure of business details and accountancy standards.

So far I have only seen a couple of correctly registered bit-coin businesses in HK and in both cases the guys are completely open about their dealings.

Bitmit was another example of a bunch of mainland cowboys operating illegally out of HK…..

[jimmothy]

Actually it is you living in cloud Cookoo land, before you start crying about trolling, companies have a LEGAL responsibility for disclosure. 'secret' and 'non-disclosure' is a BULLSHIT cloud from which 'rip off' and 'con man' operate.

There is something called corporate responsibility, and certainly from my research into operations in Hong Kong, bitcoin operations are nearly always being operated illegally.
Problem is… that WITH A PROPERLY REGISTERED BUSINESS the Government actually indemnifies investors to a certain degree.
But they do demand that a company trading shares meets certain rules are related to accountancy, and in fact any PERSON trading shared in a HK' entity'/ 'instrument'  or indeed giving financial advice without proper regulatory approval can end up with a 5 year jail term, and a money laundering tag/investigation for anyone involved or invested with such companies.
And yes…. Publishing spreadsheets is considered  'giving advice' if the data contained in them has not been correctly audited by a CPA or they do not comply to the accountancy standards of Hong Kong, is also illegal.

Yep … operating out of Kwai Chung in HK does qualify the business to need proper registration AND FULLY COMPLY with HK regulation for disclosure of business details and accountancy standards.

So far I have only seen a couple of correctly registered bit-coin businesses in HK and in both cases the guys are completely open about their dealings.

Bitmit was another example of a bunch of mainland cowboys operating illegally out of HK…..

You fail to realize that asicminer is not selling additional shares. Thus there is literally no incentive or obligation for Friedcat to sit on the forums all day of every week pumping up the value of his company. FC owns more than 50% of shares so he is the boss. He has been generous enough to give us details like how tapeout is planned for jan which is all the info he has. He is not going to make up specs on nonexistant hardware to please everyone in this thread who most are probably not even invested in AM.

[Xu]

Seriously, what company on the planet has the CEO making announcements daily or even weekly. I wonder if some of you have ever held stock in any other company ever. Everyone knows communications should be better, but don't be expecting an announcement from FC over every dip in the stock price. I want him focused on GEN3 and the long term prospects.

For what it matters, here is my idea of perfect communications:

1) Every time a dividend is released, there is a brief announcement of what the composition of the dividend is. x from mining, y from franchising, and z from hardware sales. That's about it. Maybe if we were expecting something more a brief mention like "no dividends paid on hardware sales due to whatever".

2) Once a month have board meetings and let the board ask questions, and someone from the board can then post a summary of the meeting.

If we got that much communication, we would have better communications than pretty much any other company.

[empoweoqwj]

Actually it is you living in cloud Cookoo land, before you start crying about trolling, companies have a LEGAL responsibility for disclosure. 'secret' and 'non-disclosure' is a BULLSHIT cloud from which 'rip off' and 'con man' operate.

There is something called corporate responsibility, and certainly from my research into operations in Hong Kong, bitcoin operations are nearly always being operated illegally.
Problem is… that WITH A PROPERLY REGISTERED BUSINESS the Government actually indemnifies investors to a certain degree.
But they do demand that a company trading shares meets certain rules are related to accountancy, and in fact any PERSON trading shared in a HK' entity'/ 'instrument'  or indeed giving financial advice without proper regulatory approval can end up with a 5 year jail term, and a money laundering tag/investigation for anyone involved or invested with such companies.
And yes…. Publishing spreadsheets is considered  'giving advice' if the data contained in them has not been correctly audited by a CPA or they do not comply to the accountancy standards of Hong Kong, is also illegal.

Yep … operating out of Kwai Chung in HK does qualify the business to need proper registration AND FULLY COMPLY with HK regulation for disclosure of business details and accountancy standards.

So far I have only seen a couple of correctly registered bit-coin businesses in HK and in both cases the guys are completely open about their dealings.

Bitmit was another example of a bunch of mainland cowboys operating illegally out of HK…..

If you think AM "PROPERLY REGISTERED AS A BUSINESS" would mean the Chinese / HK government paying us money if FC ran off with all our bitcoins you are living in cloud cuckoo land, sorry.

We chose to trust AM, that's all. One day they may abuse that trust but it hasn't happened yet. Fingers crossed they keep "straight" for another 2-3 years and we will all do well.

Also, about communication. I do want to get more communication from AM, who doesn't. But its not because I'm thinking "he's not communicating, I bet he's planning to run off with all our bitcoins". I just want more info so I can make relatively informed investment decisions, and not the current "virtual vacuum of information" we have now.

Lots of con artists post loads and loads to their "investors" ands then .... poof - never hear from them again