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1521  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - Best W/GH/s ratio, Best $/GH/s ratio on: July 15, 2014, 11:55:36 PM
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Semiconductors love 40C - people hate 40C. 

Even if your ambient is 50C - with shitloads of wind, your ASICs will be fine.  Heat is not the problem miners face.  Heat accumulation is.  Vent out the ceiling and blow, blow, blow.  An AC is a horrible way to move heat outside.

Yes semiconductors love 40C. But you don't get anywhere near 40C with air cooling. The tempurature difference between the ambient air and the asics is the real killer. I would guess the dT is more than ~40C.
40C ambient with lots of wind = 60C at silicon
40C ambient with little flow = 90C+ at silicon

40C ambient with very serious airflow = even less than <60C

air flow is VERY cheap
air conditioning is very expensive. 
1522  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - Best W/GH/s ratio, Best $/GH/s ratio on: July 15, 2014, 09:56:42 PM

Houston...love it despite 100oF  Smiley
I am trying to find a home for it elsewhere, though, if it is anything like Sp-10. Some places offer quite reasonable hosting.

Listen very carefully.  Everytime someone writes about air conditioning with regard to mining datacenters, they are crazy and they don't understand heat and heat transfer.

Semiconductors don't mind 100F.  Not at all.  Humans can't work in 100F.  Air conditioning is for humans.  Not for semiconductors.  
Don't buy a fucking aircondtioner for mining equipment.  Ever.  Air conditioners make more heat than they make cold.  True fact.

To cool a data center, 100F is fine.  The trick is, to move the heat away from the semiconductor - fast.  If you put a shitload of 100F air movement on the semiconductor it will be fine.  Put some freaking heavy wind on it.  If the wind is 100F, the semiconductor will only be a bit higher.  What you need is tons of air movement.- not cold.  

Don't believe me?  Heat a piece of metal until it glows red.  Then blow on it. Goes back to black real fast.  Stop blowing - red again.  

If you put a shitload of air movement on your miners you'll remove heat really well - even if the air is 100F.  If you use water or air conditioning, or ice or dry ice, all you've done is introduced tons of complexity and little heat removal.  The most efficient way to remove heat is lots of wind.  It doesn't matter what temperature the wind is.  Even the Swedish winter isn't cold enough to cool mining equipment.  You need to get the fucking heat away from the semiconductor.  This doesn't take cold - it takes heat movement.  Making 'cold' is hard work.  Moving heat away from an ASIC is easy.  Use 'wind' - not 'cold' to efficiently cool your miners.  



I agree with you, been running 3 Antminer S2 and 8 Anminer S1 in my basement in an unfinished side, I have bunch of fans blowing the air away from the miners, Ambient temp is around 98 F, I am in NJ and been running them for about 3 months now without any issue but the kitchen feels like we have radiant heat.


Semiconductors love 40C - people hate 40C.  

Even if your ambient is 50C - with shitloads of wind, your ASICs will be fine.  Heat is not the problem miners face.  Heat accumulation is.  Vent out the ceiling and blow, blow, blow.  An AC is a horrible way to move heat outside. 
1523  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - Best W/GH/s ratio, Best $/GH/s ratio on: July 15, 2014, 09:13:23 PM
The use of Fahrenheit hurts my mind.
The math to get you to C isn't extremely hard.  If you practice a bit, you'll get the hang of simple algebra after a few weeks.  Some people might take a bit longer


In the present case, you can ignore algebra and just use an estimation.  Everywhere you see '100' above, just put in '40'.  You are good to go!  The statement still makes great sense

I live in Europe.  I prefer C.  But when I see F, I don't cry. 
1524  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - Best W/GH/s ratio, Best $/GH/s ratio on: July 15, 2014, 08:38:20 PM

Houston...love it despite 100oF  Smiley
I am trying to find a home for it elsewhere, though, if it is anything like Sp-10. Some places offer quite reasonable hosting.

Listen very carefully.  Everytime someone writes about air conditioning with regard to mining datacenters, they are crazy and they don't understand heat and heat transfer.

Semiconductors don't mind 100F.  Not at all.  Humans can't work in 100F.  Air conditioning is for humans.  Not for semiconductors. 
Don't buy a fucking aircondtioner for mining equipment.  Ever.  Air conditioners make more heat than they make cold.  True fact.

To cool a data center, 100F is fine.  The trick is, to move the heat away from the semiconductor - fast.  If you put a shitload of 100F air movement on the semiconductor it will be fine.  Put some freaking heavy wind on it.  If the wind is 100F, the semiconductor will only be a bit higher.  What you need is tons of air movement.- not cold. 

Don't believe me?  Heat a piece of metal until it glows red.  Then blow on it. Goes back to black real fast.  Stop blowing - red again. 

If you put a shitload of air movement on your miners you'll remove heat really well - even if the air is 100F.  If you use water or air conditioning, or ice or dry ice, all you've done is introduced tons of complexity and little heat removal.  The most efficient way to remove heat is lots of wind.  It doesn't matter what temperature the wind is.  Even the Swedish winter isn't cold enough to cool mining equipment.  You need to get the fucking heat away from the semiconductor.  This doesn't take cold - it takes heat movement.  Making 'cold' is hard work.  Moving heat away from an ASIC is easy.  Use 'wind' - not 'cold' to efficiently cool your miners. 


1525  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - Best W/GH/s ratio, Best $/GH/s ratio on: July 15, 2014, 06:35:44 PM
Getting ready to receive the ASICs
SP30 driver code is already in Con's cgminer repository: https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/pull/631

I hope these chips get in soon.. Antminer s3's started shipping today 28nm
What!?  I should have bought S3!?
1526  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - Best W/GH/s ratio, Best $/GH/s ratio on: July 14, 2014, 10:46:35 PM
I also doubt anyone would believe such a phony story and halfassed scamming attempt.

Believe it or don't believe it, it is all right there in black and white (actually purple).  These guys are freaking scammers and they tried to trick me.  Thank god Guy set up a new products page for there pre orders on the SP50s.  And thanks to the guy who found the '5' in Spondoolies!  That was a lucky break I saw that post.
1527  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - Best W/GH/s ratio, Best $/GH/s ratio on: July 14, 2014, 10:43:38 PM
So what was the real reason for all the drama, bullshit and false 50 btc payment claims?

Strange and also now very quiet  Huh

Still think it is bullshit?  Wrong.  This shit is real.

I aint' makin nothin up.

Ok. Just don't send any money and report that user to the mods. And it's not so hard to notice the wrong forum name plus the fact that the way of talking is totally different.

This is all mostly your fault RoadStress - why don't you just lead the GroupBuy for the SP50?  At least that way, we all know we are safe.  
1528  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - Best W/GH/s ratio, Best $/GH/s ratio on: July 14, 2014, 10:23:52 PM
So what was the real reason for all the drama, bullshit and false 50 btc payment claims?

Strange and also now very quiet  Huh

Still think it is bullshit?  Wrong.  This shit is real.

I aint' makin nothin up.
1529  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - Best W/GH/s ratio, Best $/GH/s ratio on: July 14, 2014, 10:21:37 PM
These are all the messages I got today from these assholes...



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I don't know what drugs you are smoking man, but I am getting in early on this one.  No sarcasm at all.  SP50s are coming and I am not going to be late this time. I'll buy 10 if the price is good.  But for sure I'll sign up for 10 on the preorder.

RoadStress - is it OK if we just use the last GroupBuy address?  If you still have the keys, I'll send 5BTC today for 10XSP50s reservation. 



Hi,

We have now opened the books on a very limited basis for pre order due to popular demand Smiley

If you would like me to reserve 10 SP50 units @ 5BTC the payment address is :

1ptjh771b6zcmNKafSvGxrpn53nSTa4DX


Thank you for your continued business,

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Quote from: RawDog on Today at 05:38:39 PM

Awesome!  Thanks.  I am sending the BTC now.  Please confirm when it is received.


Nothing received yet,

Can you please confirm you want to proceed as I have had pm's from 4 other members wanting to buy slots in bulk.

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Quote from: RawDog on Today at 07:31:10 PM

Please don't sell to them!  I was first.  Please hold my spot.  I am trying to track down the payment now.


No probs,

We have a few big players buying up all the initial batch so trying to keep things low key at the moment until we can ramp up production to meet demand.

Ill hold the 10 units as promised.
 
 

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Hi,

We have now opened the books on a very limited basis for pre order due to popular demand Smiley

If you would like me to reserve 10 SP50 units @ 5BTC the payment address is :

1ptjh771b6zcmNKafSvGxrpn53nSTa4DX


Thank you for your continued business,

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Quote from: RawDog on Today at 07:53:07 PM

I sent 50BTC 5BTC X10 to the wrong address!!!  I think I made a cut and paste error.  I am contacting the other person and trying to get him to send the money back.  He is a trusted friend, so no problem getting the BTC back to me.  Then, I'll send it direct to you. 

Thanks Guy


No probs,

please keep the posts in the forum thread discreet, we are getting overun with pm requests so at this point we are keeping matters quiet and dealing with batch 1 in bulk orders only.

At this point ignorance is bliss for the massed Wink

I think some of our bulk purchasers will be selling pre order slots for a healthy profit though so if you would like to pre order any additional units they are 0.5 BTC per additional unit.

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PS -
Do you know what will be the final price?


Final price has not yet been decided, but I will guarantee that the SP50 will blow every miner out of the water for cost per gh/s and chip energy efficiency.

We will also promise a significant return on investment.

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Quote from: RawDog on Today at 08:05:48 PM

I am checking with my Uncle.  I might be able to get an additional 50 BTC by tomorrow.  Is the deal still on for tomorrow?


If possible we require the payment for the initial 10 units this evening so we can firm up our numbers.

Any additional units can be ordered tomorrow using the same payment address.

Can I please again ask you to refrain from posting on the SP50 miners in the forum thread as it will antagonize our customers that are unable to order at this point in time.

I have had to deny the SP50 existence to several forum members so far as they only to wish to order one unit

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Quote from: RawDog on Today at 08:51:27 PM

OK - the secret is ours!  I won't say a thing.  Just keep me in the deal so I can get my SP50s first.


You are now one of only 5 initial investors in the SP50 miner.

Delivery is expected back end of August, preliminary data points to 0.24W/GH/s so cool, quiet and fast as hell Wink

Off out so catch you later.
 
 
 
1530  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - Best W/GH/s ratio, Best $/GH/s ratio on: July 14, 2014, 10:19:37 PM
5pondoolies-Tech!!

rawdog, are You crazy to pay someone on the forum?

Or are You that 5pondoolies-Tech  scammer as we saw Road.Stress?

OMG!  I didn't see that.  Those aholes.  I sent them 50 BTC already and I was just about to send 50 more.  I can't believe scammers take advantage of everyone.  Bitcoin is plagued with thieves and cheats.  What a vulgar bunch of idiots in this community.  I am so pissed right now. 

I know Spondoolies is for real.  But I didn't see those fake assholes who sent fake PM's and signed Spondoolies-Tech.  Why do they have to do this?  They ruin everything. 

I'll still order from Guy - but everyone else better watch out for PMs which come from tricky thieves.  We have to find a way to stop spoofing.

PS - I am still excited to be the first among the SP50 owners.  Can't wait.

This was fun at start, but now it's getting boring.

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Moderator, please block rawdog until he takes his brain out of his ass!

Guys, 100% true - those assholes at 5ponsoolies really did send a bogus PM trying to extort money from me!!!  Not lying.  Call Theymos and ask he for access to my PMs if you don't believe me.  Watch out for these guys.

I'll post the transcript...
1531  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - Best W/GH/s ratio, Best $/GH/s ratio on: July 14, 2014, 09:34:03 PM
5pondoolies-Tech!!

rawdog, are You crazy to pay someone on the forum?

Or are You that 5pondoolies-Tech  scammer as we saw Road.Stress?

OMG!  I didn't see that.  Those aholes.  I sent them 50 BTC already and I was just about to send 50 more.  I can't believe scammers take advantage of everyone.  Bitcoin is plagued with thieves and cheats.  What a vulgar bunch of idiots in this community.  I am so pissed right now. 

I know Spondoolies is for real.  But I didn't see those fake assholes who sent fake PM's and signed Spondoolies-Tech.  Why do they have to do this?  They ruin everything. 

I'll still order from Guy - but everyone else better watch out for PMs which come from tricky thieves.  We have to find a way to stop spoofing.

PS - I am still excited to be the first among the SP50 owners.  Can't wait.
1532  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - Best W/GH/s ratio, Best $/GH/s ratio on: July 14, 2014, 08:17:58 PM
Hi,

We have now opened the books on a very limited basis for pre order due to popular demand Smiley

If you would like me to reserve 10 SP50 units @ 5BTC the payment address is :

<censored>


Thank you for your continued business,

Spondoolies-Tech


Should I also do the checkout on the webpage?  I looked but I don't see a way to pay in bitcoin.  I can send dollars.  Either way, it sure is great that you guys are now taking preorders for preorders.  I am dying to get my hands on the new SP50s! 

Way to go Spondoolies!!!

Thanks

Please don't encourage the scammers. It's not a joke. Someone could make a mistake and get taken for a lot of money.

Go ahead and confirm with Theymos, Spondoolies sent me that PM.  It's no joke.  the only people who are going to get taken for a lot of money are those who forget to lock in their SP50 preorders. 
1533  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - Best W/GH/s ratio, Best $/GH/s ratio on: July 14, 2014, 08:09:38 PM
I think that it went a bit too far...all jokes aside.
The only joke is the joke on you buddy.  We are going to be hashing away on our SP50s and you are going to be crying about being left behind.  Sucker.

you mad, bro? cheers
I am definitely mad bro.  Mad that I didn't get in on the SP30s.  But now I am one jump ahead on the SP50s, I am not mad anymore.  Spondoolies Rules!!

If you want in on the deal, Spondoolies has the product up on their page now.  Don't delay.

instead of blowing 5BTC on a future project, why don't you order SP-30 for September. They are available and you will enjoy it much sooner...

Wake-up man.  SP30 is a slow, out-of-date worthless machine - that thing is never going to ROI.  We are in a new era now.  SP50 is what is happening today.  SP30 is so yesterday.  You've got to stay one step ahead if you are going to be a miner.  Don't buy yesterday's technology, you've got to buy into the future.  Good luck getting your SP30 to do anything: SSSSSSLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

Besides, I heard SP50 delivers at the end of September anyway.

1534  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - Best W/GH/s ratio, Best $/GH/s ratio on: July 14, 2014, 07:56:44 PM
I think that it went a bit too far...all jokes aside.
The only joke is the joke on you buddy.  We are going to be hashing away on our SP50s and you are going to be crying about being left behind.  Sucker.

you mad, bro? cheers
I am definitely mad bro.  Mad that I didn't get in on the SP30s.  But now I am one jump ahead on the SP50s, I am not mad anymore.  Spondoolies Rules!!

If you want in on the deal, Spondoolies has the product up on their page now.  Don't delay.
1535  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - Best W/GH/s ratio, Best $/GH/s ratio on: July 14, 2014, 07:50:12 PM
I think that it went a bit too far...all jokes aside.
The only joke is the joke on you buddy.  We are going to be hashing away on our SP50s and you are going to be crying about being left behind.  Sucker.
1536  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - Best W/GH/s ratio, Best $/GH/s ratio on: July 14, 2014, 07:43:51 PM
RawDog, since you have burning desire to pre-order something, I created this special product page for you:
http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/rawdog-special-pre-order-for-future-pre-orders-products

All of us here at Spondoolies-Tech appreciate your support.

Guy
Thanks Guy, I really appreciate your help on this. However, I already sent the payment in response to the PM you sent earlier. 

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I don't know what drugs you are smoking man, but I am getting in early on this one.  No sarcasm at all.  SP50s are coming and I am not going to be late this time. I'll buy 10 if the price is good.  But for sure I'll sign up for 10 on the preorder.

RoadStress - is it OK if we just use the last GroupBuy address?  If you still have the keys, I'll send 5BTC today for 10XSP50s reservation. 


Hi,

We have now opened the books on a very limited basis for pre order due to popular demand Smiley

If you would like me to reserve 10 SP50 units @ 5BTC the payment address is :

1ptjh771b6zcmNKafSvGxrpn53nSTa4DX


Thank you for your continued business,

Spondoolies-Tech


Should I also do the checkout on the webpage?  I looked but I don't see a way to pay in bitcoin.  I can send dollars.  Either way, it sure is great that you guys are now taking preorders for preorders.  I am dying to get my hands on the new SP50s! 

Way to go Spondoolies!!!

Thanks
1537  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - Best W/GH/s ratio, Best $/GH/s ratio on: July 14, 2014, 05:58:19 PM
If you are talking stuff about a not yet formerly announced product, atleast state the power efficiency,
as I can build an even better 400TH miner come August when I combine several sp30s in my immersion cooled rack. (no, I do not own that much equipment... it is meant for illustration purposes only)

As this shows performance alone is a bad way to measure a miner.

But you can bet that Spondoolies will definitely have a good power consumption profile on their new SP50s.  Maybe they are not ready to publish it yet, but I suspect it will be lower than .3W/GH/s as the progression from earlier systems should get it right about there.  

Does anyone have any data on when they expect to release the first ones?  I am guessing late September or early October.  I am fitting that into my ROI model to work backwards to get a price.  Will update you by the end of the afternoon.

i very much doubt that anyone here will know anything about the GEN3 product until it goes on sale.
there's gonna be a stampede!

Get in line now, you are right behind me.
1538  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - Best W/GH/s ratio, Best $/GH/s ratio on: July 14, 2014, 05:42:28 PM
If you are talking stuff about a not yet formerly announced product, atleast state the power efficiency,
as I can build an even better 400TH miner come August when I combine several sp30s in my immersion cooled rack. (no, I do not own that much equipment... it is meant for illustration purposes only)

As this shows performance alone is a bad way to measure a miner.

But you can bet that Spondoolies will definitely have a good power consumption profile on their new SP50s.  Maybe they are not ready to publish it yet, but I suspect it will be lower than .3W/GH/s as the progression from earlier systems should get it right about there.  

Does anyone have any data on when they expect to release the first ones?  I am guessing late September or early October.  I am fitting that into my ROI model to work backwards to get a price.  Will update you by the end of the afternoon.
1539  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - Best W/GH/s ratio, Best $/GH/s ratio on: July 14, 2014, 04:36:33 PM
Please hold on to your sarcasm

Some people might not detect it as such and start spamming spondoolies on where to get some nonexistant preorder for some vaguely designed product.
I don't know what drugs you are smoking man, but I am getting in early on this one.  No sarcasm at all.  SP50s are coming and I am not going to be late this time. I'll buy 10 if the price is good.  But for sure I'll sign up for 10 on the preorder.

RoadStress - is it OK if we just use the last GroupBuy address?  If you still have the keys, I'll send 5BTC today for 10XSP50s reservation.  

edit:
I just got a PM!!  It looks like the design ceiling is 20Th/s!  That is insane.  I wonder what the chipset / footprint looks like which can achieve that.  These guys are crazy.  I love it.
1540  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: (Audiobook) The Original Bitcoin White Paper by Satoshi Nakamoto on: July 14, 2014, 03:43:27 PM
(Audiobook) The Original Bitcoin White Paper by Satoshi Nakamoto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yYrYCE4i1c&feature=share
Wow! This is going to make a lot of blind guys happy.  Oh wait, they won't be able to click the link to hear the audio.  Doh!
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