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1481  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 02, 2014, 08:33:20 PM
Zvi, I know exactly what you're talking about regarding the bullshit. It sucks. It's mostly only been a problem over the last week, basically since the announcement of underperformance.

Yeah, people get pissed when you try to fuck them in the ass after they send you money.  Imagine that.

You can't tell me SPD didn't expect a serious backlash in view of all they said about certaintey and how serious the shortcoming was.  I am just trying to help give them the grief they know they deserve.  It will motivate them to speak more humbly in the future.  And possibly to avoid major fuck ups which cost their customers thousands of euros.

I am pretty fucking sure Guy knows this anti-PR is well deserved.  As soon as he sends me a personal note to that effect, I'll stop. 
1482  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 02, 2014, 05:20:42 PM
Thank you for letting me know you are the first to reach the limit of 28nm Sha256 engineering.
Thank you again.

RockerBox is certainly not the limit of 28nm SHA256 engineering.
PickAxe our 3rd gen is also 28nm. The fact that we're using exactly the same process means one less production risk for us. We gained a lot from the issue we encountered with the first wafers lots of RockerBox.
I believe that there is still a lot room for improvement.


Hmmm, let me guess.  Now you learn a lot, you seriously know what you are doing now. 

Learned lots on customer's expense.  I hope those customers get some nice PickAxe offers laters.  Any of your Yukon customers ought to get access to some serious catch-up hardware.  Everyone knows you don't have money to return to customers, but what you do have is the ability to make kick-ass hardware.  Compensation should be in the form of future kick-ass hardware - that way you don't have to short everyone.  Maybe then, customers will be happy.

Even Bitmain came up short, gave good value on future hardware (S3 coupons), and everyone was happy.  Giving back money doesn't help anyone.  They don't want money - they want the hash power you said was coming.


1483  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 02, 2014, 05:01:06 PM

When the CEO goes around repeatedly throwing the 6 - 6.5 TH numbers around on the forum, he has a responsibility to qualify his statements if there are any.

He did qualify his statements:
"Seriously, we know what we are doing"

"You can take that uncertainty out of the equation"

I relied on those qualifications to my detriment. 
1484  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 02, 2014, 02:39:52 AM
That's not such a good number for people who were promised 6TH on their 120 circuits

Customers were never promised 6Th/s on their 110V circuits. Another lie.


Guy mentioned 6 TH and even 6.5 TH a number of times here without qualifying the statement by saying 'but not on 110 volts'

Guy mentioned a lot of shit which didn't come true.  Unicorns and Unobtainium - that's what they are peddling from Tel Aviv these days.  I should never have bet on those guys.  Shit.  All garbage and lies.  I paid a price for believing in that dream.  

Thank god for china and the AntMiner - now I can pay for my losses in Israel.  Hope you enjoyed the money Guy and Zvi.  I know I won't be able to.
1485  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 02, 2014, 12:32:50 AM
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Now we are seeing shipped units hashing at 4.1 TH that makes it look worse.

This is for the 110V and is actually a good number. Running the units on 220V are obviously giving ~4.5TH.
That's not such a good number for people who were promised 6TH on their 120 circuits


Doubt away suckers!  S3s are cranking away day and night while Spondoolies is giving their people nothing but lies and sub 4TH. 

Where is the proof?


Steaming away at 420 on the 12 hour average...
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1K15YmnotHd3TL1ZxL4p41MmxD1mAnt1ts

Read it and weep.
1486  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 02, 2014, 12:23:18 AM
We are unlucky and you were lucky lets leave it at that ok?

He's lucky if he's mining as he said. Somehow, I doubt it.
Doubt away suckers!  S3s are cranking away day and night while Spondoolies is giving their people nothing but lies and sub 4TH.  

I am fucking shocked that Spondoolies let everyone down.  I was 100% convinced they nailed it.  In the very earliest days, I wrote to them: "yeah, but that is what BFL, KnC and others were saying too".  They were 100% confident they knew what they are doing.  Hahahahaha.  What a sucker I was to believe that crap.  

Now, we don't hear anything about fair compensation nor shipping numbers.  Just like KnC who shipped out 5 units - they report "we are currently shipping on time".  Sure they are.  Fool me once, shame on me.  Fool me twice - well, you know.
1487  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 01, 2014, 11:52:46 PM
4.153GH / 441GH = ~ 9 x S3 * ~$400 each = #3600 as we speak...

And you paid what...$5,600...to $11,500 for this "deliver on time and on specs" thingy... Huh

Where are the 5 PSUs included in that price?
S3 PSU's cost $69 each.  I am happy to pay that to have a working miner instead of promises of coupons and delivery dates which are being pushed way out to god knows when.

Why the silence?  Why won't Spondoolies comment about how many are shipped and how many are likely to be shipped next week?  They are just like KnC.  Total silence in the storm of failure. 
1488  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 01, 2014, 11:50:11 PM
4.153GH / 441GH = ~ 9 x S3 * ~$400 each = #3600 as we speak...
And you paid what...$5,600...to $11,500 for this "deliver on time and on specs" thingy... Huh
No shit.  What a great deal from the guys who say: 'Seriously, we know what we are doing.  You can take that uncertainty out of the equation".  

Antminer is killing Spondoolie.  That is fucking embarrassing.  Lucky for me, I am sitting in a room full of S3s.  Sad for me - I also have a shitload of Neptunes and Yukons I have to eat.  Fuck.
1489  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 01, 2014, 02:39:38 AM
http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp30-yukon-september-batch-2

Power Supply: 2 x 1200W
Power Consumption: 3000W

 Huh

WTF

By the way, I don't like the idea of 3000W for 1 machine ... I live in 13A@220V zone, meaning 3000W JUST exceeded the supply of 1 socket ... thus the machine will need 2 sockets, wasting the socket slot.

Also, putting too much into 1 machine means when a small part in it fails, the whole machine fails.  Where as if I split into, say, 10 x S3, it's more robust, more deployable, and flexible.


yeah if I had know about the s3s coming online and that SP-TECH would no hit the 5-6TH number I would have def gone with a bunch of s3s  
I'll be looking for a hosting company when my SP30 arrives
I actually lucked out - got a bunch of S3s just for the fun of it - and I am totally shocked how good they are.  Rock solid.  Just running, running, running.  Making BTC.  I can't believe it.  I thought that was just more Chinese shit.  Not true.  I got fucked by BFL (American), I got fucked by KnC (Sweden), and I got fucked by Spondoolies (Jews).  But I didn't get fucked by the Chinese.  What I got from the Chinese is pure, solid, rocking hash power for a very cheap price.  

I guess the pendulum swings.  Who'd have predicted fucked up shitty engineering from Americans, Swedish and Jews, with kick ass reliable engineering from the Chinese?  Not me.  The world turns.

By the way, I sent a new order for S3s this week - 10X my old order.  Fuck KnC, fuck BFL, and fuck SpondTech - they are all lying bullshitters who can't engineer a hashing machine.  AntMiner rules!
1490  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 01, 2014, 02:32:15 AM
http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp30-yukon-september-batch-2

Power Supply: 2 x 1200W
Power Consumption: 3000W

 Huh

WTF

By the way, I don't like the idea of 3000W for 1 machine ... I live in 13A@220V zone, meaning 3000W JUST exceeded the supply of 1 socket ... thus the machine will need 2 sockets, wasting the socket slot.

Also, putting too much into 1 machine means when a small part in it fails, the whole machine fails.  Where as if I split into, say, 10 x S3, it's more robust, more deployable, and flexible.


yeah if I had know about the s3s coming online and that SP-TECH would no hit the 5-6TH number I would have def gone with a bunch of s3s  
I'll be looking for a hosting company when my SP30 arrives

Spondoolies thinks it is no big deal they missed the target by a mile.  However, all those who carefully planned out a target to profit on pretty thin margins - got royally fucked.  Now RoadStress is running around saying: 'just have it hosted'.  Well, many miners didn't want to pay the service charge of hosting.  They wanted to rely on what Spondoolies said and host themselves.  They believe in the power spec.  They believed in the hashing spec.  Which would have worked - except one thing: spondoolies didn't know what the fuck they were doing despite telling everyone: "Seriously, we know what we are doing."  They also said: "you can take that uncertainty out of the equation".  So we all did.  Now, its not Spondoolies getting fucked - we are getting fucked.  Spondoolies still has the same amount of money as if they delivered the full spec.  They didn't.  Now everyone is scrambling to do what they can with the new parameters.  Changing from a planed site to a hosted site is not trivial.  This is a real impact on peoples plans.  RoadStress spent a shitload of time in other thread bashing the fuck out of other projects.  Now that SP30 project is all fucked up - he says: you should not be using these at home anyway.  Well, if the specs were correct, they'd actually work on 120V @ 20 amp.  But as we were all stupid suckers and believed the bravado from Spondoolies - and fully did not expect the serious shortcoming which is the SP30 underperforming machine - abortion of engineering - we don't know what we are doing - we are now fucked looking for new arrangement to try to break even.  

There is only one solution: Spondoolies must make a seriously kickass gen3 machine and offer it to previous buyers at cost.  It is the only way they will come right.  The compensation package is silly for the reasons spelled out by many above which say that power cost the big let down.  

SP50 is the only serious fair recourse.  If Spondoolies wants everyone to be happy, they will go back to work, and build the best machine ever and let loyal customers into the earliest release.  

Anything else is just about as lame as KnC.  

Notice how Spondoolies is acting just like KnC now.  KnC released a few Neptunes and now they say: "Neptune shipped on time".  It didn't.  They shipped a few on time, many thousands are not shipped and won't be for a long time.  Now, Spondoolies released a few SP30s and they claim: "we shipped on time".  However, they haven't shipped a serious number of them - just a few.  Spondoolies is looking more like KnC everyday.

1491  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 01, 2014, 12:35:14 AM
I am looking at a September Sp30 for ~ 6.7 BTC and comparing it to 10 x S3 for 6.8 BTC which ship Aug. 7 and it looks like the S3 package will earn me 4 or 5 BTC before the SP30 gets here.

Would someone from Spondoolies like to provide a rationale for why I should buy a September SP30 instead of S3s ?

I actually already did this.  S3s are running very strong.  You'd be a fool to buy the SP30 which has a 'published' hash rate far different from the delivered hash rate.  That's just plain old betting.  With S3 - you get what is written on the tin.  Big difference.  Buying unicorn days are over.  Promises, promises.

Buy the S3 - they are actual hardware which works.  Numbers on paper are just silly.  Ain't never going to happen.
1492  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin on Jeproady! on: July 31, 2014, 11:41:53 PM
invalid image.


And what is Jeproady?

Are you being sarcastic?  He means the tv gameshow 'Jeopardy"

That was my first thought as well, but he may be from a different country.
Can you actually imagine - life without Jeopardy?  What kind of living is that?  Even most African nations have Jeopardy.  You've got to be a serious Po' boy to not know about Jeopardy.
1493  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Circle going live? on: July 31, 2014, 11:40:09 PM
I am pretty excited about this too.   I think I am going to open an account there when I am able too.  I am almost more interested in how Coinbase is going to react (as opposed to Circle itself opening).   

It would be a perfect opportunity for Coinbase to launch LTC support to differentiate their features...
?? - seriously doubt it.  Litecoin is a failed project based on the notion that mining should be limited to small time CPUs.  Not only is this a worthless misguided notion, scrypt mining is in a runaway state now anyway.  Litecoin offers nothing.  It will be dead soon.  Probably very soon.  It serves no purpose whatever.
1494  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: July 31, 2014, 11:16:39 PM

who said i bought anything? I am just joining in the conversation, sorry if I don't have all the facts or actually have a stake in spondoolies hardware. Just joining in community conversation.
Sorry, that is not allowed around here.  If you don't show your Spondoolies receipt, you can't possibly be right about them having fucked up their engineering.  Only those with certified receipts are allowed to comment. 

I get in huge trouble for having an opinion without having proof of order.
1495  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: July 30, 2014, 04:11:29 PM
My SP30 is already visible at eligius:

Quote
256 seconds   5,115.93 Gh/s   304933   
128 seconds   4,326.21 Gh/s   128931

4.5TH is a rip off.  Here is a perfect 'make-up' kit: just add 4X Antminer S3.  Viola!  Back in business.  Good thing we have China to save the day for the lack of engineering ability in Tel Aviv.  

Tel Aviv: no shortage of confidence - way short on hash rate and efficiency.  
1496  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: July 29, 2014, 10:54:15 PM

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp30-yukon-september-batch-1

6TH, 2500w is what it says, but using Guy's figure of 2700w that's still 0.45w/GH -> 0.67w/GH which is a 40% increase.

This affects the running costs, profitability and lifetime of the machine, and should also be considered when deciding compensation.

Exactly.  I've speced big data center in Washington and paid for tons of it with the plan of .5 w/GH which puts profitability in the green for 12 months.  Forget about a discount on the price, with the new power figures - I am clearly in the red.  

With an adjustment on price only, Spondoolies shortcoming and failure to meet spec caused my datacenter to get into the red.  That is not fair compensation.  Margins on mining operations are very thin these days.  A reduction in price doesn't account for electricity spent on lifetime shortcomings.  Fuck.  

The project penciled out nicely - until the new power figures ruined the whole plan.  Price reduction won't help.  That efficiency loss has to be made up somewhere else.  
1497  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: July 28, 2014, 06:54:00 PM
It officially stated 6TH +/-10 % on their website, and the 6TH figure was also repeated as the new "normal" figure on the forums (and spondoolies even proposed that it might be higher).
If they were anywhere near 6TH, they'd do like AntMiner and just say: oops, sorry about that, we are 7.7% off target here is a coupon - and just keep going.  1 day of discontent and its over.  The reason they are silent is because they are not even close.  My bet, they can't even make 4.2TH.  This would cause a radio silence while they all try to think of ways to deal with the impending bankruptcy.  

And to think, everyone in Israel thinks the big problem of the day is rockets from Gaza.  Only SPT has bigger nightmares.  Now I'll bet Spondoolies actually WANTS a Gaza rocket to hit their labs.  This way, they can just blame the whole thing on the Palestinians.  lol.
1498  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Barry Silbert - Founder of SecondMarket - joins 'Bitcoin on Wall Street' panel on: July 28, 2014, 06:36:37 PM

Part 2 – Bitcoin on Wall Street
FREE WEBINAR
"Exclusive Webinar Series"

That excludes me.  who has time to put in a ton of personal information (address) and agree to receive spam in the future just to listen to this production?  forget that.  Just go to let's talk bitcoin http://letstalkbitcoin.com/ where good information comes without a long sign-up process or commitment to receive endless spam.  

I'll bet their viewership is about 8 people in total. 
1499  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: July 28, 2014, 03:16:44 PM
No news yet from Spondoomies ?
They went into shut down mode.  Reality is too hard to deal with.  We won't hear much from them until they start shipping 2.1TH garbage in April after the lawsuits start.

"Seriously, we know what we are doing"
1500  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: what is the first question you would ask, if you met Satoshi Nakamoto? on: July 26, 2014, 02:03:07 PM
I'd say: "How are you doing, Nick?"
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