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1721  Other / Off-topic / Re: What is Socialism? on: May 22, 2013, 02:43:24 PM
That's all wrong. The typical American definition of Socialism.  Roll Eyes

Socialism originally and first and foremost meant one thing:

Workers are to be in control of the means of production.

(as opposed to exploitative bosses and capitalists.)

It doesn't say anything about a state, about welfare, about equal redistribution of wealth, or the like. The European tradition of Anarchism is in fact socialist, anti-state, anti-capitalist.
1722  Other / Off-topic / Re: The Truth About the Illuminati's plans for WW3 on: May 22, 2013, 02:38:10 PM
and also talks about how their underground bases have been destroyed.

All in all, it is very good news. The Illuminati has been nearly defeated

by the Pleiadian Satoshi Squad?  Huh
1723  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Coinsetter Kraken Alphapoint | neue Spieler in der Stadt. Bitcoinexchanges on: May 22, 2013, 02:34:14 PM
ich hatte doch da mal eine großtante...  Shocked
1724  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Need Help! Suche Unterkunft von Morgen (bis Nacht auf Freitag) in Berlin on: May 22, 2013, 02:32:45 PM
interessant, will dann videos sehen.  Cool
1725  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: bitstamp - Probleme!? on: May 22, 2013, 02:32:04 PM
Mittlerweile habe ich die bitcoins auf meinen Ripple-Account bekommen.

Hä? Du kannst keine "bitcoins auf meinem Ripple-Account" haben. Ripple speichert keine Bitcoins. Ripple speichert die Information über IOUs von Bitcoins oder was auch immer. Die Bitcoins liegen immer noch bei Bitstamp. Bei denen ist das nur ein Flag in der Datenbank, dass sie in deinem Ripple-Account verfügbar sind.
1726  Economy / Economics / Markets are efficient if and only if P = NP on: May 21, 2013, 10:25:34 PM
Worth a discussion or two.  Smiley

http://arxiv.org/abs/1002.2284v2

Quote
I prove that if markets are weak-form efficient, meaning current prices fully reflect all information available in past prices, then P = NP, meaning every computational problem whose solution can be verified in polynomial time can also be solved in polynomial time. I also prove the converse by showing how we can "program" the market to solve NP-complete problems. Since P probably does not equal NP, markets are probably not efficient. Specifically, markets become increasingly inefficient as the time series lengthens or becomes more frequent. An illustration by way of partitioning the excess returns to momentum strategies based on data availability confirms this prediction.

1727  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Bitcoin Pizza Day @ ROOM77 / Berlin on: May 21, 2013, 05:45:05 PM
den ganzen abend gleich  Cheesy
1728  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Liste ehrlicher Händler on: May 21, 2013, 05:29:42 PM
+3 BeeCoin dann wohl ebenso schätz ich mal, damit die Bilanz stimmt.  Cheesy
1729  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: May 21, 2013, 05:15:34 PM
[....] I used to think it isn't but now I think it indeed is.

BITCOIN is the Apocalypse!!!  Shocked

But look up what Apocalypse actually means: "disclosure of knowledge, hidden from humanity in an era dominated by falsehood and misconception".

Bitcoin will force all the hidden players to come out and show their true faces. Makes perfect sense to me.  Cool
1730  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Erste Bitcoin Bar-Zahlung in München: Niederlassung on: May 20, 2013, 11:21:56 PM
Gibt's da auch offenes WLAN?  Oder eine Möglichkeit, ohne Internet-Verbindung zu zahlen?  Ich würde die Möglichkeit sehr gerne nutzen, mal ein paar Bitcoins auszugeben, aber da München für mich "Ausland" ist, möchte ich lieber keine 3G-Roaming-Gebühren zahlen.

joa haben WLAN (Passwort muss man aber fragen soweit ich mich erinnere)
1731  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Posting this without comment on: May 20, 2013, 11:43:08 AM
is that a silver platter he's holding?  Huh
1732  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Spenden für den Wahlkampf der Piraten nicht in Bitcoin möglich!!! on: May 19, 2013, 11:41:28 AM
Ja, die Arrgumentation geht in etwa in die Richtung: wir müssen Mord und Totschlag legalisieren damit Freiheitskämpfer nach Artikel 20 Abs. 4 im Falle eines Falles nicht zu kriminalisieren.

löl, was für ein kolossales Strohmannargument.


dass man über Falkvinges (gute!) Punkte diskutieren kann, bestreitet ja auch niemand. Aber du hast ihn ja sensationalistisch an den Pranger gestellt (er hat Jehova gesagt!).
1733  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Winklevoss twins' Bitcoin 2013 Talk on: May 19, 2013, 11:32:39 AM
kinda like preaching to the choir presentation  Cheesy
1734  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Interest in a P2P Exchange on: May 19, 2013, 11:07:50 AM
That would mean you need to perform the same magic as Satoshi did with the blockchain

Ripple or colored coins.
1735  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Spenden für den Wahlkampf der Piraten nicht in Bitcoin möglich!!! on: May 19, 2013, 10:33:04 AM

[ ] Du hast Falkvinges Artikel auch gelesen und sein Argument verstanden und fällst nicht auf welt.de-Populismus rein.

@herzmeister:

Ganz so einfach ist es nicht - der Bedarf für Arbeitskraft hat nämlich tatsächlich abgenommen, nur nicht so stark, wie es Ludditen vorausgesehen haben. Warum, denkst du, konnte zunächst die 48-Stunden-Woche und später die 40-Stunden-Woche durchgesetzt werden?

Das bedeutet, dass die Leute aussuchen könnten, ob sie in der gleichen Zeit real mehr verdienen, oder für den gleichen Reallohn weniger Arbeitsstunden absolvieren möchten.

Allerdings gilt das in einem geringeren Maße, als man meinen mag.

 Smiley
1736  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Winklevoss twins' Bitcoin 2013 Talk on: May 19, 2013, 10:16:23 AM
what's their name on this forum anyway?  Huh
1737  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Interest in a P2P Exchange on: May 19, 2013, 10:07:39 AM
I recently wrote this up. Some ideas are similar, but I want to enable real daytrading with real depth rather than OTC only. BTC escrow also may not be necessary.

1. There is a fiat ledger database. It can be a distributed. It only contains internal bookkeeping information. Much like Ripple.  

2. Any exchange website can use this database. Such a website can also run in Tor.  
  
3. I'm new, I want to buy bitcoins, I register and log on to one of those exchange websites.  
  
4. It looks and works like any other exchange. First, I have to deposit some fiat.  

5. This website does not manage its own bank account however.  
  
6. Instead, it tells me to wire-transfer the money to one or more random guy bank accounts.  
  
7. After a while, the random guys confirm that they received the fiat funds.  
  
8. I now have my fiat displayed in my exchange account.  
  
9. Everything looks and feels just like MtGox and other exchanges. No OTC crap. I can instantly buy and sell BTC for fiat. It's just local bookkeeping and number juggling for the website after all at this point.  
  
10. I've made some gains (or not) and want to cash out some or all of my fiat.  
  
11. The network picks one or more appropriate candidates who want to deposit fiat to buy bitcoins.  
  
12. From their point of view, the random guy of point 6 is now me.

13. I have to send a confirmation to the network, probably manually, that I've received my funds.

14. Mission accomplished.

Remarks:

A) The fiat ledger database contains all the necessary bookkeeping, but should keep private information like bank accounts secret.

B) However, cheaters could be blacklisted and their bank account details could be published.

C) Deposits and withdrawals may take quite a long while depending on current market parameters as there'd essentially be internal waiting lists that would have to be matched. Spectacular price crashes and bubble bursts can have dramatic effects in this regard.

Note: There's no one here who receives money to "not return it". Those who receive fiat are those who want to cash out anyway.

The only problem here is that there would have to be some confirmation mechanism about that fact. There's no public API for wire transfer data AFAIK to automate that. The receiver could complain they didn't receive any money. If they make that believable to the network, they could theoretically receive money twice.

Another problem rather is that those who put money into the system could revoke the transaction later, if their bank allows chargebacks. Here the blacklisting and publishing of their identity could be applied. The network could offer a bounty here, which could be funded by trading fees.

1738  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Wo kommen die ganzen Leute her? on: May 19, 2013, 09:21:08 AM
das war im april, im moment wieder auf platz 250 zurückgefallen, aber immerhin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:West.andrew.g/Popular_pages
1739  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Wo kommen die ganzen Leute her? on: May 19, 2013, 09:16:58 AM
ich meine nicht in die DDR-Wikipedia  Smiley
1740  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: My girlfriends house in Germany on: May 19, 2013, 09:15:23 AM
auctioning the house again

11  Smiley
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