I don't have any beef with anyone.

I think the Politics & Society section should be considered as off-topic. As it is entirely based on a person's interests.

And it's my view that it's causing people to post more than what they normally would. So I posted a suggestion of it, let's leave it for the campaign managers if they like this suggestion or not.

Moved.

I consider them as off-topic and I believe they allow people to post a lot of insubstantial posts which are Unnecessary. It's ok if you don't agree with that but I'll leave it up to the campaign managers to decide which section they include and which not.

I will however ask Mods & Admins, to provide another board where a person can talk about his other interests and where it doesn't gets mixed with spam and troll posts.

NO I never said that all posts in off-topic should be counted.

Don't throw words in my mouth man, as it is there is a confusion about the points I mentioned in this thread. Please don't take this elsewhere.


You're right, so maybe it should be taken on thread per thread basis. There are threads in Off-topics also which can be considered meaningful. So maybe off-topic shouldn't be banned also.

Maybe it will be useful for person who follows a religion, to others who doesn't it would be useless. Same thing can be said about any interests. Me I like movies but to you, the discussion may feel not worthy.

So my point is either include other off-topic posts which are meaningful too or consider the politics as off-topic too. You can't say 1 is bad and the other is good. They're both interests.

Some people hate politics but they like Entertainment but can they discuss about it and get paid? No
So it seems like certain interests are paid for while others are not. As I said, Either include both or exclude both.

I am asking that because I consider them as off-topic. Let me ask you this, where would a person who wants to discuss about Movies or Music post? in off-topic right? And that's not paid for because it is considered useless.

But people arguing whether a religion is right or not is meaningful and paid for? How can that be fair?

How can you say that a person's interests and his discussion on that matter is meaningful while others are not?

Either include both or exclude both.

Thank you. Yes, that's exactly my point. If I love to talk about Movies/Music/Games and want to discuss something about those then why it is that it should be considered off-topic? (Because that's the only place I can discuss those)

And only people discussing about Politics & Society be considered meaningful.

If you're just going to label it as a place where people talk non-sense, then I can argue that people writing HUGE ass posts on why a religion is good or not is also non-sense and should be considered as off-topic.


No man, I did read, you're simply not getting the point.

Just tell me what is considered off-topic and what is considered as on-topic?

If I wanted to talk about Movies/Music, where would I post? In off-topic right? And no matter how meaningful the discussion there is, it will be considered as worthless.

But all the non-sense topics in Politics & Society are meaningful?

Not obsessed man, simply posting my opinion.

How is one's interest considered on-topic while others off-topic? Maybe you like Politics, other might like movies.

So the person talking about politics is right and is not making insubstantial posts and the person talking about movies is?

Well that was just an ex. but many posts can be made on other topics which are not politics & society but are about movies, games, music, arts , food and there can be some people who have good knowledge/interest in those and they can discuss about them in long sentences.

So either we call politics & society also an off-topic or we give others another board to discuss all the above and they can discuss about them and get paid for it?

Well I think it is relevant to the problem because I feel that Politics & Society does falls into Off-topic and the discussions taking place in that board shouldn't be counted towards paid post.

So if talking about politics is counted for, why not Entertainment & Arts? I am sure there are Movie/Music/Arts/Games lovers on this forum who have to make their discussions in the Off-topic board. They would love to get paid for them if there was another board for it.

If that's too much than Politics & Society should be considered as Off-topic also and posts/discussions made there shouldn't be counted.

If you're going to allow discussions on any topics, then why not allow off-topic discussions too:


I believe these are also discussions of some sort, so let's include them too? If you call these off-topics then Politics & Society fall right into that.

Or let's make another board called "Entertainment & Arts" Because some people might not be interested in Politics & Society but they'd love to discuss and get paid talking about whether "Miley Cyrus is a whore or not?"

If they really are passionate about discussing politics than it shouldn't matter to them if they're being paid or not. I am not saying block them from posting there.

And I didn't say they were spamming that section but just because they can keep making arguments like we are doing right now, and keep getting paid per post, they don't stop. And they know they won't get in trouble as they're simply discussing their views.

If they move to other sections, they can, I am not saying to stop anyone from posting anywhere but if you see some people deliberately abusing sig-campaigns by making a hell of posts in that section, it's not hard to understand that they're simply doing so to increase their post counts. Because the thing about politics is that one can keep arguing non-stop and if you don't like this now, wait until that section goes out of hand.

As anyone participating in sig-campaign will simply go to that section and start arguing for no-reason but to simply increase their post counts.

I was only thinking about closing this thread because I think this suggestion won't be liked by the posters who post obsessively in that section and might piss them off, if this rule gets applied to the campaign they're participating in.

And if that is allowed, then why not allow Off-Topic too?

Because how is this Question :  

Off-topic/Scientific proof that God exists?

any different from:

Politics & Society/Why do islam hates people?

In both the threads people are arguing over their viewpoints, if one is allowed to be paid than the other one should be too?

Which is why I say Politics & Society should also be considered off-topic and removed from sig campaigns paid boards.

But that's what I mean. I don't think (some of them) will get so actively involved in heated political discussions if they knew that they're not getting paid for it.


I didn't say that it's only for the Mods to reply but I still feel some questions are targeted at mods and maybe they should only reply. For ex. "Why was I banned?" Now a Mod/Admin can simply know the reason behind it and therefore it should be left for the Mod/Admin to answer it, rather than posting "Maybe" replies. Ex. "Maybe your posts weren't good enough, you shouldn't spam!". I don't think it's solving anything as the questioner still continues to wait for the Mods/Admins for the answer.

Then there are questions which are answered in first 2-3 replies but the thread continues to grow by same answers only phrased differently.

Mods can move this thread if they think this is the UN-appropriate board for it. In-fact I am thinking maybe I should close this thread as I seem to be pissing people off and I don't want to do that.

Not talking about you, quickseller or shorena. There are some people on this forum who have a lot of knowledge and they can be excluded from this rule. But if you see some threads on Meta, you'll see that some people are not exactly spamming but they're also not adding anything new. They just rephrase the same answer by adding a few sentences here and there smartly which makes it look like that they're telling something new but in reality that's not true.

And "Politics & Society" has become like an off-topic board, where again all the posts are on the subject but really not necessary.

Anyways, this is just a suggestion, what rule they follow is up-to the campaign manager's discretion. But my intention was not to target you or any one else, just simply trying to think of ways to bring down spam on this forum as I feel that it is the no.1 concern right now.

I don't mind at all. I feel the same and think the amount of discussions on signature campaigns in that thread might get reduced when the participants realize that they are not getting paid to post in that thread.

The forum is struggling with spam and most of it is because people trying to make as many posts as possible to get paid higher. While discussing about good/bad about the Forum and/or about Politics and Society is not exactly spamming but people are desperately trying to post their views on Meta on Questions that were meant for Mods or are already answered.

Same is happening at Politics & Society, For ex:

CNN national poll: Rand Paul 13%, Bush 13%, Ryan 12%, Huckabee 10%, Christie 9%
ISIS destroys Syrian Church on Easter Sunday
Why do islam hates people?
Miracles of Bible...
Etc..

These are some of the examples, people are hyper actively discussing about their views on Religion, Culture, Global-affairs and other such stuff, which as I said is not spam as that place is there for such discussions but I think some people are deliberately dragging these discussions just so they can increase their post count. Which I believe they wouldn't normally do if they weren't getting paid for it.

So my request is, simply exclude "Meta" and "Politics & Society" from the Pay-Per-Post board as Off-topic board is. And if the members still feel like discussing about World-affairs and/or the Forum they can do that without getting paid.

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ndnhc has already excluded "Beginners & Help" & "Politics & Society" to help bring down the spam and insubstantial posts. But I think Meta should be excluded too, as it isn't a place where companies would like to advertise.


Hoping that others Sig-managers see this and include this rule in their campaign from next week/month.
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Kindly also exclude "Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns" as requested by thread owner, see below.

I think it's your Hard-drive, I have had similar experience in the past with a Laptop that would freeze without much load and would take a lot of time boot. And I realized that my HD was dying and I was right about that as a week later my Lappy didn't boot and error showed "No-Hard-Disc-Detected" and I am pretty sure that is the case with yours.

Be smart, take back-up of your necessary data before it dies completely and arrange for a new one.

I don't think they're giving negative trust to people simply because they enjoy doing so which is exactly what a hobby is.

They give negative trust because they feel that a person has bad motives and in future he might scam others, they're doing this to protect other users, not because it's their hobby. And do remember that they're not moderators, they're simply doing a public service trying to keep naive users safe from scammers.

Yeah I agree, read my suggestion here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1031511.msg11133478#msg11133478

I think Politics & Society should also be excluded, that board more or less has turned into another sub-forum where all the off-topic discussions take place. Apply this rule from next week and post your agreement their if you agree, so other campaign managers can also follow this decision if they see it right.

They mentioned that they will rectify everything by this Wednesday, which is the payday, so I am guessing they will provide payment for this week and the past week's discrepancies together. So let's wait till Wednesday before jumping to conclusions.

Exactly, it should be applied by campaign managers but I really think that it would cut down on a lot of insubstantial posts.


All boards are fine, I am not saying block people from posting in those boards, I am just saying that posts made in these boards shouldn't be paid.