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OP update. About 2300XBT was bought in the past 3 days
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It could be done but your approach won't work at all. To destroy coin the simplest way to send to OP_RETURN
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well, i would sell at $990, just in case it crash again
Then I would sell at $980, then you would sell at $970, then I would sell at $960......... Conclusion: No one will be selling at $1000 |
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We may use total bitcoin day destroyed as the tie-break for a fork. I guess Satoshi had a similar idea?
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自从“GBL跑路”之后，凡是看到新在香港注册的交易网站，心中就会隐隐作痛，TMDB现在除了796交易所，老子谁都不看，奉劝新入场的小白们，在网上搜下GBL事件再来参与吧！盲羊补牢悠悠未晚啊！  796不也是香港注冊的嗎? 第一天就很多人(包括我)說GBL是騙子網站, 不信的人損失了都是活該, 和香港有什麼關係? |
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SON OF A BITCH
I put in a sell market order at the 4000 CNY wall.
"Pending" popped up, everything looked good.
Some motherfucker dumped right ahead of me and I filled at 3900...
Ah well.
You shouldn't make a market order, especially during the volatile period |
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As I said in the other thread, I can ALWAYS sell at those insane high price and get the CNY in my account within 24 hours. So the price is REAL. The volume is inflated simply due to free transaction.
Their site may be down from time to time, but that's nothing worse than gox or stamp
In addition to btcchina, I can also sell on other Chinese exchanges with similar price and received CNY withdraw too.
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The peaks in October was created by FBI |
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One more data point identified. So they bought about 20000XBT in the last 2 weeks
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All outputs must be at least 0.0000543XBT
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More and more am I starting to believe that BTCChina is (for a large part) fake.
- Their volume reports are ridiculous. On the 3 minute chart they have almost exclusively 300 btc per candlestick.
- The whole rise-up at BTC-China seems orchestrated. Every sharp rise is nicely crafted into a short dip which then recovers in order to make others believe that it's safe to buy
And most compellingly
- During the crash the volume stays _THE SAME_ throughout. There is a sharp drop, but no panic selling at all! The volume is constant. This does not make any sense to me.
- Notice how every downward candle towards is also attempted to be caugt immediately - many many intermittent recoveries during a crash. It just doesn't make sense.
It's almost as if the whole exchange is scripted to make fake orders to amplify any movements seen on Gox. Zero trading fees would allow this.
=== I'm just speculating here ===
I can testify that's true. I sold at those ridiculous price and always got the CNY out |
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November 18, 2013
NAV 55.22USD
Net Assets 29.7MUSD
Estimated holding 53,784.86XBT
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I hope you all here are aware what comes after the euphoria (at the very height of the euphoria) in any market.
 I'm still at the enthusiasm stage  |
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Since the BIT has stopped reporting the daily total assets value, the daily update of this thread is stopped. The data before May 2015 is kept here for record. __________________________ This thread is to follow the NAV and the estimated XBT holding of the SecondMarket Bitcoin Investment Trust. All information could be found on the BIT webpage ( http://www.bitcointrust.co/). This will be constantly maintained. Please consider to donate if you like this table. Warning: all raw data was publicly available on BIT website. It is suspected that they occasionally provides faulty data. Interpret the data with cautious, especially when there is a big movement in total bitcoin holding. Method: 1. Figures of Net asset value (NAV) and total assets value (TAV) are taken from http://www.bitcointrust.co/ or http://grayscale.co/bitcoin-investment-trust/2. Actual Bitcoin holding (ABH) is published occasionally on http://www.bitcointrust.co/ (within the investor presentation) 3. Raw estimated Bitcoin holding (REBH) = TAV / NAV * 0.1 4. Normalization factor (NF) = ABH / REBH 5. NF for each day is derived in a linear manner 6. Estimated XBT holding = REBH * NF * XBT is the unofficial ISO4217 code for bitcoin ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_4217#Without_currency_code) ** Estimated figures are subject to rounding error. The estimated XBT amount may deviate from the actual amount by at most a few hundreds of XBT. *** Negative figures could be due to rounding error. **** Normalization factor is needed as SecondMarket is taking fee and each share represents less than 0.1XBT (actual amount not announced). | Date | NAV ($) | Net | Est | Est Net | Est New | Actual | | spaceholder | | Assets | Holding | Buying | Invest | Holding | | | (M$) | (XBT) | (XBT) | (M$) | (XBT) | Notes | | 30-Apr-15 | 22.46 | 31.32 | 136181 | 449 | 0.10 | 135076 | | 23-Mar-15 | 25.93 | 36.04 | 135732 | 0 | 0.00 | | | 20-Mar-15 | 25.34 | 35.22 | 135732 | -29 | -0.01 | | | 19-Mar-15 | 24.91 | 34.63 | 135761 | 29 | 0.01 | | | 18-Mar-15 | 26.70 | 37.11 | 135732 | 29 | 0.01 | | | 16-Mar-15 | 28.21 | 39.20 | 135703 | -29 | -0.01 | | | 12-Mar-15 | 28.65 | 39.82 | 135732 | 10 | 0.00 | | | 11-Mar-15 | 28.58 | 39.72 | 135722 | 10 | 0.00 | | | 10-Mar-15 | 28.61 | 39.76 | 135712 | -20 | 0.00 | | | 9-Mar-15 | 27.47 | 38.18 | 135732 | 59 | 0.01 | | | 6-Mar-15 | 26.66 | 37.04 | 135673 | -69 | -0.02 | | | 5-Mar-15 | 26.18 | 36.39 | 135742 | 30 | 0.01 | | | 4-Mar-15 | 27.28 | 37.91 | 135712 | 117 | 0.03 | | | 2-Mar-15 | 25.56 | 35.49 | 135595 | -39 | -0.01 | | | 27-Feb-15 | 24.43 | 33.93 | 135634 | 9 | 0.00 | | | 26-Feb-15 | 22.97 | 31.90 | 135625 | 49 | 0.01 | | | 25-Feb-15 | 23.10 | 32.07 | 135576 | -68 | -0.01 | | | 24-Feb-15 | 23.19 | 32.21 | 135644 | 29 | 0.01 | | | 23-Feb-15 | 22.95 | 31.87 | 135615 | 0 | 0.00 | | | 20-Feb-15 | 23.67 | 32.87 | 135615 | 0 | 0.00 | | | 19-Feb-15 | 23.10 | 32.08 | 135615 | 0 | 0.00 | | | 13-Feb-15 | 22.64 | 31.44 | 135615 | 39 | 0.01 | | | 11-Feb-15 | 21.53 | 29.89 | 135576 | 0 | 0.00 | | | 10-Feb-15 | 21.27 | 29.53 | 135576 | 30 | 0.01 | | | 9-Feb-15 | 21.39 | 29.69 | 135546 | -59 | -0.01 | | | 6-Feb-15 | 21.41 | 29.73 | 135605 | -10 | 0.00 | | | 5-Feb-15 | 21.51 | 29.87 | 135615 | 69 | 0.01 | | | 4-Feb-15 | 21.96 | 30.48 | 135546 | 0 | 0.00 | | | 3-Feb-15 | 23.09 | 32.05 | 135546 | -10 | 0.00 | | | 2-Feb-15 | 22.11 | 30.69 | 135556 | 49 | 0.01 | | | 29-Jan-15 | 22.60 | 31.36 | 135507 | 9 | 0.00 | | | 28-Jan-15 | 24.23 | 33.62 | 135498 | 39 | 0.01 | | | 26-Jan-15 | 27.23 | 37.77 | 135459 | 20 | 0.00 | | | 22-Jan-15 | 22.46 | 31.15 | 135439 | -29 | -0.01 | | | 21-Jan-15 | 20.84 | 28.91 | 135468 | 19 | 0.00 | | | 20-Jan-15 | 20.54 | 28.49 | 135449 | 0 | 0.00 | | | 16-Jan-15 | 20.39 | 28.28 | 135449 | 29 | 0.00 | | | 15-Jan-15 | 19.60 | 27.18 | 135420 | 49 | 0.01 | | | 14-Jan-15 | 19.24 | 26.67 | 135371 | 20 | 0.00 | | | 13-Jan-15 | 23.60 | 32.71 | 135351 | -49 | -0.01 | | | 12-Jan-15 | 26.16 | 36.27 | 135400 | 254 | 0.07 | | | 9-Jan-15 | 27.82 | 38.50 | 135146 | -10 | 0.00 | | | 7-Jan-15 | 28.23 | 39.07 | 135156 | -19 | 0.00 | | | 6-Jan-15 | 27.02 | 37.40 | 135175 | 156 | 0.04 | | | 5-Jan-15 | 26.32 | 36.39 | 135019 | 10 | 0.00 | | | 2-Jan-15 | 30.64 | 42.36 | 135009 | 29 | 0.01 | | | 31-Dec-14 | 30.48 | 42.13 | 134980 | -20 | -0.01 | | | 30-Dec-14 | 30.44 | 42.08 | 135000 | -19 | -0.01 | | | 29-Dec-14 | 30.74 | 42.50 | 135019 | 39 | 0.01 | | | 26-Dec-14 | 31.50 | 43.54 | 134980 | 68 | 0.02 | | | 24-Dec-14 | 32.14 | 44.40 | 134912 | 0 | 0.00 | | | 23-Dec-14 | 32.50 | 44.90 | 134912 | 10 | 0.01 | | | 22-Dec-14 | 32.12 | 44.37 | 134902 | -29 | -0.01 | | | 18-Dec-14 | 30.42 | 42.03 | 134931 | 0 | 0.00 | | | 17-Dec-14 | 31.52 | 43.55 | 134931 | 10 | 0.00 | | | 16-Dec-14 | 32.89 | 45.44 | 134921 | 19 | 0.01 | | | 15-Dec-14 | 34.19 | 47.23 | 134902 | 39 | 0.02 | | | 12-Dec-14 | 34.23 | 47.27 | 134863 | 0 | 0.00 | | | 11-Dec-14 | 34.38 | 47.48 | 134863 | 0 | 0.00 | | | 10-Dec-14 | 34.15 | 47.16 | 134863 | 10 | 0.00 | | | 9-Dec-14 | 34.37 | 47.46 | 134853 | 596 | 0.21 | | | 8-Dec-14 | 36.10 | 49.63 | 134257 | 0 | 0.00 | | | 5-Dec-14 | 36.39 | 50.03 | 134257 | -30 | -0.01 | | | 4-Dec-14 | 36.55 | 50.26 | 134287 | 0 | 0.00 | | | 2-Dec-14 | 37.30 | 51.29 | 134287 | 137 | 0.05 | | | 1-Dec-14 | 37.06 | 50.91 | 134150 | -1 | 0.01 | 134150 | NF=0.9766 | | 28-Nov-14 | 35.96 | 49.39 | 134151 | -34 | -0.01 | | | 26-Nov-14 | 36.37 | 49.96 | 134185 | 4555 | 1.70 | | | 25-Nov-14 | 37.52 | 49.79 | 129630 | 2123 | 0.82 | | | 24-Nov-14 | 36.63 | 47.81 | 127507 | 20 | 0.01 | | | 21-Nov-14 | 34.25 | 44.69 | 127487 | -56 | -0.02 | | | 20-Nov-14 | 35.74 | 46.65 | 127543 | 23 | 0.01 | | | 19-Nov-14 | 36.98 | 48.26 | 127520 | -6 | 0.00 | | | 18-Nov-14 | 37.21 | 48.56 | 127526 | 6335 | 2.42 | | | 17-Nov-14 | 38.57 | 47.83 | 121191 | -18 | 0.00 | | | 14-Nov-14 | 39.24 | 48.66 | 121209 | 3 | 0.00 | | | 13-Nov-14 | 41.95 | 52.02 | 121206 | -6 | 0.00 | | | 12-Nov-14 | 39.46 | 48.93 | 121212 | -16 | -0.01 | | | 11-Nov-14 | 35.77 | 44.36 | 121228 | 6837 | 2.51 | | | 10-Nov-14 | 35.80 | 41.89 | 114391 | -37 | -0.01 | | | 7-Nov-14 | 33.83 | 39.59 | 114428 | -16 | -0.01 | | | 6-Nov-14 | 33.62 | 39.35 | 114444 | 14 | 0.01 | | | 5-Nov-14 | 32.84 | 38.43 | 114430 | -16 | 0.00 | | | 4-Nov-14 | 31.83 | 37.25 | 114446 | 7622 | 2.48 | | | 3-Nov-14 | 32.07 | 35.03 | 106824 | -16 | 0.00 | | | 31-Oct-14 | 33.59 | 36.69 | 106840 | 3 | 0.00 | 106840 | NF=0.9781 | | 30-Oct-14 | 33.07 | 36.12 | 106837 | -2892 | -0.98 | | # | | 29-Oct-14 | 33.68 | 37.78 | 109729 | 2850 | 0.98 | | # | | 28-Oct-14 | 34.48 | 37.67 | 106879 | 23 | 0.01 | | | 27-Oct-14 | 34.49 | 37.67 | 106856 | 19 | 0.01 | | | 24-Oct-14 | 34.86 | 38.06 | 106837 | -7 | 0.00 | | | 23-Oct-14 | 36.04 | 39.35 | 106844 | -26 | 0.00 | | | 22-Oct-14 | 37.40 | 40.84 | 106870 | 13 | 0.01 | | | 21-Oct-14 | 37.69 | 41.15 | 106857 | -84 | -0.03 | | | 20-Oct-14 | 37.24 | 40.69 | 106941 | 68 | 0.03 | | | 17-Oct-14 | 37.06 | 40.46 | 106873 | -16 | 0.00 | | | 16-Oct-14 | 37.57 | 41.02 | 106889 | 62 | 0.03 | | | 15-Oct-14 | 38.64 | 42.16 | 106827 | -17 | -0.01 | | | 14-Oct-14 | 39.02 | 42.58 | 106844 | -1436 | -0.56 | | # | | 10-Oct-14 | 35.41 | 39.15 | 108280 | 1443 | 0.52 | | # | | 9-Oct-14 | 35.89 | 39.15 | 106837 | 13 | 0.01 | | | 8-Oct-14 | 33.21 | 36.22 | 106824 | -26 | -0.01 | | | 7-Oct-14 | 32.15 | 35.07 | 106850 | -7 | 0.00 | | | 6-Oct-14 | 31.16 | 33.99 | 106857 | 29 | 0.02 | | | 3-Oct-14 | 35.88 | 39.12 | 106828 | 356 | 0.13 | | | 2-Oct-14 | 36.94 | 40.14 | 106472 | 62 | 0.03 | | | 1-Oct-14 | 37.72 | 40.96 | 106410 | -6 | 0.00 | | | 30-Sep-14 | 37.13 | 40.32 | 106416 | -26 | 0.00 | | | 26-Sep-14 | 39.58 | 42.98 | 106442 | 23 | 0.01 | | | 25-Sep-14 | 40.53 | 44.00 | 106419 | -17 | 0.00 | | | 24-Sep-14 | 42.36 | 45.99 | 106436 | 14 | 0.01 | | | 23-Sep-14 | 40.84 | 44.33 | 106422 | 307 | 0.13 | | | 22-Sep-14 | 39.11 | 42.33 | 106115 | 981 | 0.40 | | | 19-Sep-14 | 39.68 | 42.54 | 105134 | 130 | 0.06 | | | 18-Sep-14 | 42.44 | 45.44 | 105004 | -26 | -0.01 | | | 17-Sep-14 | 44.72 | 47.89 | 105030 | -6 | 0.00 | | | 16-Sep-14 | 45.96 | 49.22 | 105036 | -26 | -0.01 | | | 15-Sep-14 | 46.55 | 49.86 | 105062 | 102 | 0.06 | | | 11-Sep-14 | 46.70 | 49.96 | 104960 | 62 | 0.03 | | | 10-Sep-14 | 46.89 | 50.13 | 104898 | -16 | 0.00 | | | 9-Sep-14 | 45.84 | 49.01 | 104914 | -7 | 0.00 | | | 8-Sep-14 | 46.23 | 49.43 | 104921 | -19 | 0.00 | | | 5-Sep-14 | 47.66 | 50.96 | 104940 | -26 | -0.01 | | | 4-Sep-14 | 47.44 | 50.73 | 104966 | -1439 | -0.70 | | | 3-Sep-14 | 46.65 | 50.57 | 106405 | 189 | 0.09 | | | 2-Sep-14 | 46.69 | 50.52 | 106216 | -26 | 0.00 | |
# Probably an error. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337486.msg9206222#msg9206222Starting to April 2014: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337486.msg6449073#msg6449073May to August 2014: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337486.msg8597489#msg8597489 |
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Since the BIT has stopped reporting the daily total assets value, it is not possible to update the table daily like before. Instead, it will be updated with a different style, mainly to show the actual or estimated Bitcoin holding the BIT. Previous data are still available at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337486.msg3620848#msg3620848Method: 1. Figures of Net asset value (NAV), total assets value (TAV), Total Share Outstanding, and XBT per Share are taken from http://www.bitcointrust.co/ or http://grayscale.co/bitcoin-investment-trust/2. Total XBT holding = Total Share Outstanding * XBT per Share * XBT is the unofficial ISO4217 code for bitcoin ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_4217#Without_currency_code) ** Estimated figures are subject to rounding error. *** Negative figures could be due to rounding error. | Valuation | NAV | TAV | Total | XBT | Total | | Date | ($) | (M$) | Share | per Share | XBT | | 20151231 | 40.65 | 60.01 | 1,476,500 | 0.09556465 | 141,102 | | 20151130 | 35.89 | 51.36 | 1,430,800 | 0.09572712 | 136,966 | | 20151030 | 31.15 | 44.36 | 1,424,200 | 0.09588987 | 136,566 | | 20150930 | 22.73 | 32.13 | 1,412,000 | 0.09604763 | 135,619 | | 20150831 | 22.04 | 31.10 | 1,410,800 | 0.09620565 | 135,727 | | 20150731 | 27.48 | 38.74 | 1,409,500 | 0.09636921 | 135,832 | | 20150630 | 25.31 | 35.58 | 1,405,500 | 0.09653305 | 135,677 | | 20150531 | 22.86 | 32.11 | 1,404,800 | 0.09669187 | 135,833 | | 20150430 | 22.46 | 31.32 | 1,394,600 | 0.09685626 | 135,076 |
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I came to this thread late and it may have been mentioned before, but the other day over on Twitter @puellavulnerata mentioned an interesting idea that may be combined with this: https://twitter.com/puellavulnerata/status/401366089159815168The idea is to use coinbase transactions for mixing. People would send payments to a cooperating miner in the form of large transaction fees and the miner would then add redistribution outputs to its normal list of outputs. One advantage would be that such a transaction would enlist the help of the miners in the (probably anonymous) mining pool. The fact that the transactions with large fees look suspicious while ordinary joint transactions don't would be a disadvantage. I'm not sure if the coinbase idea can be used to improve the CoinJoin system, but I think it's worth thinking about. This won't work. In case there is a chain re-org, the fee will be grabbed by a different miner |
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CoinJoin is like collecting 20 of 100 USD bills into a hat and then passing the hat to another group of 20 people, each one takes its 100 USD bill. Noone knows who gives you which bill.
Ah ok, so this would basically be useless for any kind of eCommerce, or paying in restaurant with bitcoins etc because they wouldn't know who paid for it. I sincerely hope this would then be an optional way of transferring rather than a replacement right?, otherwise it would pretty much destroy Bitcoin as a means for paying for goods. The merchant doesn't need to know who paid because every time they issue a bill they use a brand new address. Forget address reuse |
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Triangles are closing at about 15 Nov 12pm UTC at bitstamp, btce, and btcc. What will happen next?
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) a closer look to this won't do any harm in the near future:
