tl;dr : they stopped BOTH 3rd party processor and bank deposit
CNY withdrawal as usual
BTC deposit/withdrawal as usual
actually that is not what i got out of it. the translation states: On request, we will also revoke a prepaid bank card transfers. that is not direct bank transfers. im waiting for clarification So you prefer google translation than a native Chinese speaker? It's up to you
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tl;dr : they stopped BOTH 3rd party processor and bank deposit
CNY withdrawal as usual
BTC deposit/withdrawal as usual
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这些国家大事,不要发到这里来,这不是我等屁民可以管的
你是屁民, 我等不是
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Wouldn't one issue be that the person you paid could re-play a given transaction, given that the value desired still exists at an address?
Yes, that's a problem but I think this could be somehow solved this way: 1. For every input, a "sequence" field is added. It is a var_int ( https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification#Variable_length_integer ) 2. Sender has to sign the sequence field 3. A signature is valid only if the sequence field is exactly larger by 1 than the last sequence used by the same address (i.e., for the first time to spend money from an address, the sequence must be 0; and for the second time to spend money from the same address, the sequence must be 1, etc.) 4. The NZBA set will record the last used sequence of all addresses. Problems: 1. Each input is 1-9 bytes bigger. In most case it'd be only 1 byte unless the address is heavily reused. 2. A bigger problem is miners have to keep the record of all used addresses in the history, even the balance is 0. 3. Another potential problem is that could cause trouble for off-line wallet and thin wallet. They need some way to know the latest sequence of an address. For off-line wallet that's similar to our current situation (e.g. Armory needs a online computer to create the un-signed transaction). For thin wallet like the Android Bitcoin Wallet, there may not be a fully trust-free way to learn the latest sequence of an address. Any other solution?
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Could you let us know how deep the lows of the 2011 and april 2013 bubbles were below your two trendlines? Percentage wise? How much below are we today?
In 2011 the low was about 0.1x of the trendline The 2013 July low was exp(-0.31)=0.73x of the trendline Now we are at about 0.82x
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We are now 32 days behind, or at 0.82x of the trend line
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Well, there is not much difference between balances and creating an UTXO set, also I'm not too sure what you mean with "computationally expensive". Once a transaction is considered valid, look up the involved addresses, calculate their new balances (negative balances would make a transaction invalid) by doing addition/subtraction of their "total_satoshis" field...
Another issue might be that Bitcoin does not really operate in accounts/addresses to begin with, they were introduced later and not part of the original design.
Ok. I think one big issue is that without P2SH, which is recent, this scheme can't work. 4. Change output is not needed as a account balance could be spent partially. Well I think that's still very possible with standard Bitcoin too. Right now the implicitly left out value is simply given to the miner. If you left it implicitly here you'd have to explicitly hand txn fee to miner. I do like the idea that it's still expensive to create "dust", but cheap to claim. It'd be interesting regardless. For each input address it will use 8 bytes to indicate the amount to spend, so the difference between total input and total output will be the fee
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come on this is development discussion
You think so? For me this is Technical Discussion and as I know this sub channel is called " Development & Technical Discussion " so this thread IMO is placed just right. And what about my answer @ "Best way to keep my Bitcoins safe?" offline wallets - but I must say I don't know which "offline wallets" service is the best. Maybe some more experienced members will tell us some more. My question to more experienced members: is this good way to make offline wallet? >> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_secure_offline_savings_wallet << Yes, I think so. This section is for "Technical discussion about Satoshi's Bitcoin client and the Bitcoin network in general. No third-party sites/clients, bug reports that do not require much discussion (use github), or support requests." Sorry then for my mistake. I can`t find here any option to change it so now probably only moderators can make it. This is not completely your mistake. The name is misleading. I propose to change to a more proper name but no one is listening to me
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Actually 28bytes per input is saved because the outpoint=hash+index takes 36bytes.
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当代鲁迅, 绝对好文章。 更何况中国人跪了五千年,而六十多年前中国人民终于趴下去了,这种深刻的恐惧总是围绕着我们
东方雄狮何时苏醒? 在做中國夢的時候
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This Chinese thread seems to say that bank deposit (?) at OKCoin was still working today (Apr/01) around 09:00 local time. Thought it was clarified via bter that they were closing third party partners not a blanket ban. I understood their clarification as: "we used a payment processor, that suspeded its service; we do not use bank accounts, so we have no information about that part of the rumor." yes exactly
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Thanks to @roslinpl who demonstrates how misleading the forum name is. come on this is development discussion
You think so? For me this is Technical Discussion and as I know this sub channel is called " Development & Technical Discussion " so this thread IMO is placed just right. And what about my answer @ "Best way to keep my Bitcoins safe?" offline wallets - but I must say I don't know which "offline wallets" service is the best. Maybe some more experienced members will tell us some more. My question to more experienced members: is this good way to make offline wallet? >> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_secure_offline_savings_wallet <<
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come on this is development discussion
You think so? For me this is Technical Discussion and as I know this sub channel is called " Development & Technical Discussion " so this thread IMO is placed just right. And what about my answer @ "Best way to keep my Bitcoins safe?" offline wallets - but I must say I don't know which "offline wallets" service is the best. Maybe some more experienced members will tell us some more. My question to more experienced members: is this good way to make offline wallet? >> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_secure_offline_savings_wallet << Yes, I think so. This section is for "Technical discussion about Satoshi's Bitcoin client and the Bitcoin network in general. No third-party sites/clients, bug reports that do not require much discussion (use github), or support requests."
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Satoshi adopted the "output approach" in bitcoin, which means a transaction output must be fully spent, and different outputs of the same address must be spent separately. There are some known problems of this approach:
1. scriptSig malleability: Since reference to UTXO depends on the transaction hash, scriptSig malleability will break a chain of unconfirmed transactions.
2. Not optimal for micropayment. Since outputs are discrete, it is not economical to spend tiny outputs
Here I propose a different approach, the "account balance approach"
1. Only P2SH is accepted. The scriptPubKey is simply a script hash. People will send bitcoin to addresses, just like what we are doing now.
2. Instead of storing an index of UTXO, miner will store an index of non-zero-balance-address (NZBA). When an address receives a bitcoin, miner will either create a new entry in the NZBA set (if the address did not exist) or add the received amount to the corresponding address
3. To spend bitcoin, the private key holder has to provide a signature and a script, just like the current P2SH. In addition, the sender has to explicitly indicate the amount of bitcoin to spend
4. The sender will only indicate how many bitcoin is sent to a specified address. The sender doesn't care the final balance of the recipient.
5. When a miner sees a transaction, he will hash the script and look for the corresponding hash in the NZBA set. If the spent amount is not bigger than the balance of the address, the miner will verify the signature.
6. In evaluating the balance of an address, all unconfirmed transactions will be considered. Therefore, people could spend newly received bitcoin, as long as both receiving and spending transactions are included in the same block.
7. A block is valid as long as all scripts are valid and none of the address balance is negative
This is better than the current output approach because:
1. There is no reference to txid. scriptSig malleability won't invalidate a chain of unconfirmed transaction
2. It is optimal for micropayment. An address with 100,000,000 deposits of 1 satoshi will only occupy 1 entry in the NZBA set, and could be spent as 1 bitcoin with a single signature
3. Even without micropayment, it saves space because there won't be reference of txid (32bytes) in input. Instead, the transaction value is needed which takes 8bytes. So at least 24bytes are saved for each input.
4. Change output is not needed as a account balance could be spent partially.
5. If people do not want to reuse address for privacy reason, they can always completely spend the balance of an address and create a change, just like what we are doing now. (Space is still saved because txid is not used)
However, I'm not sure if the account balance approach is as computationally efficient as the output approach (in terms of memory use etc.) Also, I'm not sure with its implication to thin clients.
Any comments?
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All figures are openly available.
I can not find the figures on the Website. or do you have acces to it being an Investor? They update everyday and remove the data of the last day Thanks again, though I do not understand how do figure the selling of 49 BTC as of 28 Mar 2014 The formula is shown on the OP
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I'm not convinced we are there yet. Myself and lots of other people have been around here for years and have been through this numerous times. I think this is my 6th, but I've lost track. I've developed a sense for the point of maximum pain and have profited pretty handsomely by being able to recognize it. Granted, the market could be mature enough that these sorts of things are becoming somewhat less painful, but it doesn't quite feel like we're there yet. In any event, I'm watching and waiting, because I'm going to try to be there (again) when many of you are feeling that pain. Sorry, and thanks.
As the overall volatility of the market is decreasing, I believe it will be less painful.
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All figures are openly available.
I can not find the figures on the Website. or do you have acces to it being an Investor? They update everyday and remove the data of the last day
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Yes, I do not see why it should exist. With 293000 blocks so far, 293000*4=1.17MB is wasted. Not much, but I can't see why
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