The only rule regarding referral code links I am aware of is:
I don’t think posting a referral code is in itself spam, but the link will need to be on topic.

I don’t think this kind of thread is disallowed and al not aware of any rule disallowing it. Most likely, someone reported your thread and a moderator incorrectly moved it because the report was incorrect and they had an incorrect understanding of the rule.

When a thread is moved to the trash can, you will not get a notification.

Given the long history of taking out many loans since you have returned and the small value of the collateral that you suggested you could use to repay your previous loan (but that a lender could not maintain position of), is it fair to say you didn’t have any money to lend out when you opened your lending thread back up when you first returned?

For anything of value that can potentially be used as collateral: there will always be a price at which the owner is going to be willing to give it up for. There is not anything that someone wouldn’t be willing to part with no matter the price.

I don’t think it is unreasonable for the owner of something valuable to want to explore selling their property, even if they are using it as collateral for a loan. Nor should it be unreasonable for a borrower to use the proceeds from the sale of the collateral to repay the loan (although the lender or escrow will need to have control of the collateral until the loan is repaid).

It is up to the lender to do their own due diligence to ensure what they are accepting as collateral is sufficiently valuable to cover the loan in case the borrower doesn’t repay (no matter the reason).

I have my doubts as to the value of the domain being offered, but I am not an expert, and this is ultimately up to a potential lender to decide.

I haven’t had the chance to look at the report really at all. However bitcoin was mentioned in the indictments against the Russian nationals filed last year.

They had bought up a bunch of miners to mine bitcoin and used the bitcoin they mined to buy up some VPSs. They might have also used it to buy up ads, but I am not sure about this and don’t specifically remember one way or another.

Neither of those links are harming anyone. Nor have any potential to harm anyone. The FBI does have a tip line, and a page on their website where people can submit tips.

It appears your motives are that you don’t want anyone being critical of you or others within a certain group.

The comments on a trust rating is not as important as the type of rating given. A negative rating is supposed to warn others about a person being a scammer, not a way to discredit someone who disagrees or speaks truth to power, or most commonly used, to prevent someone from conducting business who is critical of someone, or who does something that someone doesn’t like.

My your logic, if I were to post a negative rating that says “keeps track of merits sent among forum members” the rating would be accurate, but this has absolutely nothing to do with you being a “scammer”

Vod is trying to stoke his own ego, and is upset that OgN refused to do the same.

He apparently did something similar to just this:

I don't particularly think this is a good idea, and this may have been why the Thai government feels threatened. A "private" military originating out of a Seastead community is not going to win any kind of armed conflict with the Thailand military, that is very modest compared to most other countries.

Having sufficient weapons to defend against pirates is acceptable. But I think having weapons that approaches something that resembles any kind of military is probably not going to end well for you.

I don't know how many weapons Elwar had, or if this was even why the Thai government doesn't like what he is doing, but in any case, I don't think his intention was to harm the Thai government, and I don't think any kind of jailing is appropriate for what he did, and the death penalty is most certainly not appropriate.

I am saying all of the people in question are very deserving a negative ratings.

I would be surprised to see that it just so happens that a close nit group of people, all of which have a history of extortion just so happen to all have constant run-ins with OgN. With the exception of eoakland, the underlying root cause may very well be an extortion attempt, as according to OgN, their extortion attempt was related to harming his reputation. Even if this is not the case, they are all criminals, and others should be warned.

In regards to eoakland, I perhaps disagree with the stated reason for the rating, but it is perhaps possible, given his history of extortion, after his initial run-in with OgN, one/more member(s) of the group of extortionists approached eoakland to help with their apparent shakedown. Regardless if that actually happened, he did try to extort Johny1976 in 2015, according to Johny, which looking at the evidence looks to be true.

It is pointless to dispute the "reason" for a rating when the underlying negative rating is appropriate. It is ridiculous to give the OP a negative rating for repaying a loan late when it is repaid, with penalty interest -- the negative ratings he received for this was really little more than a bunch of people wanting to show him who is the "boss". However his patterns of taking out loans of increasing sizes, with an attempt to take out of $10k (EUR) loan is consistent with an attempt to pull an exit scam, although perhaps this may be re-evaluated in the future.

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Another good example of ridiculousness of those in charge of the trust system is this guy, who posted about a giveaway being done by a company he likely doesn't have any affiliation with. Many people piled on with negative ratings after he was unable to produce proof of funds, and he was laughed at when he tried defending himself. It took me not more than 15 minutes of research to determine that the company hosting the giveaway reasonably does have the money to payout the giveaway, research that no one giving the rating even bothered attempting. He locked his thread disputing his rating, but I am going to guess he has abandoned his account and probably the forum, really for no reason, or at least no legitimate reason.

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I am fairly confident she does not do anything for bitcoin off the forum....or on the forum for that matter.

This is also true for Vod, all he does is troll transparently obvious scammers who frankly don't have any real chance of stealing anyone's money. I somewhat suspect some people create newbie accounts to "attempt" obvious scams they know vod will see - and troll - just for the lulz. I suspect the number of people he has actually helped is fairly small.

Their behavior, from the public point of view, somewhat resembles a shakedown that would be seen from the public point of view. They might not have been as explicit as they were in trying to extort zeroaxl because it didn’t go very well.

Although zeroaxl was not flaunting his money around, it was no secret he had some coins. Similarly, it is well known that OgN is an early adopter of bitcoin, although I have no idea how many coins he has.

Most of the people involved are known to do whatever they want without consequences and to have no morals. It should be noted that there isn’t any reasonable basis for the smears these people were saying and there was no claim any of them had any nonpublic information

It is interesting that all of those people have participated in at least one extortion scam. 

It looks like it ended up getting sold for $100mm.

If he hasn’t been arrested yet, and he and his wife have a valid passport, they should flea the country.

In general, in order to get extradited from another country, the alleged crime in question needs to also be illegal in the deporting country and also, many countries will not extradite if the death penalty is being considered.

Edit: it looks like they are currently in hiding. The Thailand navy reportedly raided the structure today (Thursday), but no one was there. Elwars visa was apparently revoked. Hopefully they have made it out of the country. 

I think bitstamp probably knows who had the coins as they appear to have been deposited into their exchange.

If someone can figure out the owner of the bitstamp account, the owner can at least be asked questions about the coins.

If the coins were moved on behalf of paraipans estate, I think it is probably too late to try to recover the money as there are time limits on how long creditors have to file claims against an estate, although the lack of service may affect these limits — an estate lawyer can provide more specific advice on the matter.

It looks like the funds ended up at bitstamp.


Who knows if someone bought his computer equipment (perhaps at an estate sale), or if this was the family moving funds, perhaps not knowing the money belongs to someone else.

Has anyone contacted Bitstamp about the missing coins?

In the past, the US had lifted some sanctions and provided some aid to NK in exchange for this, however the US didn’t fall for this ploy this time around.

I am just calling things out as I see them. I don't "attack" anyone because of personal issues, I speak out because it is my firm belief someone is doing something I think they shouldn't.

What I wrote in my post is not my only concerns about MJ, far from it.

MJ is currently reflected as having the highest trust score on the forum despite doing the above, even though the above is very similar to what others have done (anduck) who have multiple negative ratings. I didn't support anduck either, and I told him multiple times he should have made the winning bidder of his auction whole, or otherwise compensated him.

This probably explains why I have so many random trust exclusions, including by those who I have traded with and that have left trust feedback for me. It would also give credence to what TECSHARE was claiming was happening to him.....this actually may be something that should be further researched in regards to TECHSHARE.


This sounds like both trust farming, trust list abuse, and merit abuse....by a merit source. It appears he has issued a negative rating against you in retaliation to your post, so perhaps we can add trust abuse to the list.  

I really don't understand why people take Vod seriously given his....condition. Even back in the day when theymos (in retrospect, it is likely this was actually BadBear) took seriously the integrity of DT, and the integrity of the ratings left by the DT network, Vod was often allowed to go unchecked in his egregious, erratic behavior.

Vod seems to have an obsession with the power associated with being on DT, similar to many others that are currently on DT today (which has made both the trust system and the forum as a whole very toxic). In 2015, BadBear threatened to exclude Vod from his trust list if Vod did not resolve the negative rating/issues he had with TECSHARE, which resulted in Vod quickly removing his negative rating to avoid being removed from DT (even though nothin had really changed) -- Vod would not have actually been removed from DT, he only did this because of his misunderstanding of how the system worked:

I cannot speak to "shill bidding" but there at least was rampant backing out of auctions in mid 2017 that continued even after calling out the person for doing this, and after he said he would stop.

Some of the "regulars" in collectables who trade frequently seem to think they can do whatever they want, and frequently, they do whatever they want, even when this means harming others.

Due to the anonymous nature of these forums, I would suspect it would be very difficult to prove this, but (in part considering the above) I would not be surprised to see evidence shill bidding is occurring. 

I would not expect theymos to take any kind of action on this subject. Although I do believe there should be some mechanism to prevent auction threads in collectables from being edited (to prevent the hiding/covering up of this practice), and posts deleted as is the case for the auctions sub (even though using the auctions sub for auctions is technically optional) -- perhaps a solution would be to optionally designate a thread as "editable" or non-editable" so people can choose for themselves to demand a "non-editable" thread for an auction if that is what they want.

Yes, China is a close ally of North Korea, and is probably the only reason they have been able to survive as long as they have. NK is a proxy of China whose goal is to prevent the US from exerting too much influence into the East.

I don't think NK is a sock puppet, or directly controlled by China, but is rather currently heavily influenced by China. This relationship could backfire if another country forms an alliance with NK that outweighs the Chinese-NK relationship, and NK is able to attach a Nuke to a long range short range missile, because the Chinese may find themselves right next to a unstable country that is no longer friendly with Nuclear weapons, and it would be dangerous to try to go to war with them.

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The ultimate goal is to put an end to the risk of War/armed conflict on the Korean Peninsula.

The North Korean government is also not very nice, and has a long history of human rights violations, and heavy handed tactics to stop dissent within the country. It is also, along with Iran, a state sponsor of Terrorism. The NK government may not act rationally in trying to defend itself. The NK government has previously threatened to launch Nuclear Missiles to US cities.

Simply put, it is unacceptable for the NK government to have nuclear weapons capable of hitting targets allied with the United States. It appears to be the goal of the NK government to develop technology capable of hitting targets located in the US mainland.

The United States government does not act the same way the NK government acts, not by a large margin. When the US goes to war, it goes to great lengths to prevent civilian casualties. Wars, and military conflicts the US has been involved in over the past century have had the goal of solving other peoples problems, such as overthrowing tyrants, and dictators, and to stop the spread of communism/socialism, that has killed hundreds of millions of people over the past century.