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1861  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Majority is not Enough: Bitcoin Mining is Vulnerable on: November 05, 2013, 04:52:02 AM
1) Make the nonce long enough that the extraNonce field is no longer needed in the coinbase transaction.



All ASIC will be broken so basically no one will follow this hardfork.

This could be accomplished by the aux-block softfork I proposed earlier: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283746.0
1862  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Majority is not Enough: Bitcoin Mining is Vulnerable on: November 05, 2013, 04:41:39 AM
That is an accurate headline. Bitcoin is fundamentally broken per these findings, and significant exploitation of these findings (which given human nature and financial incentives is inevitable) Bitcoin will collapse. Bitcoiners can issue all the press releases attempting to debunk this reality as they like, it won't change a damn thing. The only question is how quickly this exploitation happens, and how rapidly it poisons the whole network

Your view assumes Bitcoin is a static thing; Bitcoin can be changed in response to this attack

What the Bitcoin Foundation should be doing is releasing a press release welcoming the Cornell researchers competent analysis of the flaws in the system, while pointing out that one of the strengths of Bitcoin is that flaws can be corrected if a clear majority of Bitcoin users choose to change the software they run.

We only need a majority of miners to change. Any fix would be completely transparent to users.

Selfish-mining won't be successful without a low latency connection and/or Sybil attack.

Low latency connection itself is expensive, and we can nullify its advantage by relaying unverified block headers. People will always assume a block header is valid unless it is proven otherwise, and always mine on top of the first seen header. (I think creating invalid block header is very expensive and no one is trying to do this. Any stats for this?)

On the other hand, we can make a Sybil attack expensive: non-p2p alternative block broadcasting channels, certified nodes and miners, full nodes on TPM, restricting number of peers from the same ip range or the same country

With all these optimizations, I don't think selfish-mining is profitable
1863  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Majority is not Enough: Bitcoin Mining is Vulnerable on: November 05, 2013, 04:11:29 AM
My ELI5 explanation that I posed to bitcoin-development might help people understand the attack:

Alice is a miner with some amount of hashing power. She has the ability to detect new blocks on the network extremely effectively because she has controls a lot of nodes with low-latency, high-bandwidth connections; in short she has unusually good knowledge of the state of the network. She is also very good at publishing her blocks and getting them to the majority of hashing power in very little time; she has unusually good connectivity to all miners. (again low-latency and high bandwidth)

She's so good at this that when she finds a new block, she keeps it a secret! She can get away with this because she knows that the moment any other miner, like Bob, finds a block, she can immediately broadcast it to the rest of the network before the other block propagates. Instead of building on Bob's blocks, almost everyone builds on Alice's block, having seen it first, depriving Bob of the revenue. Gradually Alice gets more and more miners because all the other pools don't pay out as much as Alice's pool does. This eventually leads to Alice having a majority of hashing power, or if not that due to social pressure, a majority of the mining revenue.

"low-latency and high bandwidth" is not free. Unless the extra revenue can cover the cost, it is still economically prohibitive to do this
1864  Economy / Speculation / Re: Top 20 days for Bitcoin on: November 04, 2013, 02:37:26 PM
214.19 now. We should take to #1 today  Cheesy
1865  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Majority is not Enough: Bitcoin Mining is Vulnerable on: November 04, 2013, 04:09:26 AM

I didn't read the maths carefully but I think I read something similar before. I don't think it works in a very effective way as the reason stated in section 6.1. The sybil attack described is also not effective if there are many honest full-nodes. Also, I assume that big pools are connected directly to minimize the stale rate so again such sybil attack won't work.

There are also other solutions, such as forwarding unverified full difficulty block headers, or even partial difficulty headers.

1866  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Majority is not Enough: Bitcoin Mining is Vulnerable on: November 04, 2013, 03:59:10 AM

Fascinating...reading still right now...but if I get this correct - the concept is that you're mining on something big like btcguild, and copying the entire block header onto your own private pool of work; at the same time, your miner is accepting work and not submitting valid shares to btcguild yet it submits them to the private duplicated pool. 

Anytime a Valid Share is found to have met minimum difficulty and discovers a block, it submits this from the private pool and broadcasts to the network?  Network accepts this and the private pool is fed the newly minted coins instead of btcguild?

No, completely wrong. The article is talking something else, and at the same time your strategy does not work at all.

This is a very common noob misconception. Simply speaking, a "share" is bound to the destination of the reward so you can't direct the reward to other address.

1867  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-11-03 TenXun (China) -Shanghai to test the water with real estate purchases on: November 03, 2013, 01:46:38 PM
What's QQ?

Exciting news that bitcoins are making it into real estate.  That'll certainly help if people can pay for their main expense (shelter) using bitcoin.

QQ is Tencent Holdings Limited (0700.HK) http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=0700.HK . Market cap about 100billion USD. It's like China's MSN.
1868  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-11-03 TenXun (China) -Shanghai to test the water with real estate purchases on: November 03, 2013, 01:42:17 PM
Well, the exchange rate is 1BTC=1000CNY, while one can get 1270CNY at btcchina at this moment. No one will really pay with bitcoin unless they offer a fairer rate
1869  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: China trading volumes on FIRE 508k traded today at Chbtc so far on: November 03, 2013, 02:32:16 AM
Big 3 volume is 15k so far today

that is 32 to 1 ratio

http://btckan.com/price

ChBTC    1264.7    207.659    1264.7    207.659    1265    207.708    1255.8    206.197    1270    208.529    508062.96    0 /0.2 Dividend

There appears to be a disconnect between blockchain stats and china market stats

http://blockchain.info/stats

Can anyone explain?

Does blockchain not include China transactions?   

That's fake volume. People are selling into their own bid to obtain share of the exchange. If you see "Dividend" at the "Fee" column, the volume is unreliable.
1870  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - China wall movement tracker on: November 02, 2013, 06:56:19 PM
More TV coverage.

Paul Lee's cloud world 20131102 - four years rose three times! * Bitcoin * worth big decryption
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5ISiIL0qRs


That's Taiwan, not China
1871  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 02, 2013, 04:50:35 PM
its really hard to say who will get the majority of volume...

Stamps, BTCchina or some other new foreign market!?
BTCChina is not the largest bitcoin exchange in China by volume.

Look at ChBTC: http://btckan.com/price

Forget it. The volume of chbtc is kind of fake. People are trading there to obtain share of the exchange
1872  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 中国比特币之没有不可逾越的鸿沟 on: November 02, 2013, 12:47:45 PM
另類龐氏騙局
1873  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 比特币K线图不专业的技术面分析 on: November 02, 2013, 12:44:45 PM
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這句倒是不錯. 那是7小時和30小時線  Cheesy
1874  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Transactions with only one possible next address? on: November 02, 2013, 06:51:10 AM
no
1875  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 友情提醒:被GBL骗了的朋友尽快报案 on: October 30, 2013, 03:51:17 PM
中央台 《晚间新闻》 报导了这个案子。

我估计 GBL 的人应该马上跑路了,如果他们象大家猜测的那样是何应钦的老乡。

至于那个经纪人青云,比较麻烦,因为挣的钱跑路到美国加拿大应该还不够,只能去缅甸啊。

那是天津台, 不是中央台
1876  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: BitCoinArmory stole my bitcoins? on: October 30, 2013, 10:33:30 AM
Change your defamatory topic  Angry
1877  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The use of Guy Fawkes Signature in case of ECDSA zero-day exploits on: October 29, 2013, 03:49:27 PM
First thought:  broken ECDSA would spell the end of BTC despite the very cute hidden public key.  Funds are likely to migrate to a secure DSA.  
unless we manage to diversify between different digital signature algos; besides ECDSA, there is at least the old fashion RSA and the DSA.

it is not even that one could diversify his savings between different algos.
giving the scripting language that is already in the protocol, one could protect an unspent output using several different signing algos at the same time, one after another.
and it is very unlikely that all of them would get broken.

but this requires a hard fork and having in mind that the satoshi client has a mining monopoly these days, we won't introduce a new signing method without an active support from the dev team.

No. You can change pretty much anything in the protocol with soft-fork. Adding new DSAs and Hash algorithms are certainly soft-forks. Imagine to have a script protected by 3 different DSAs and 5 Hash algorithms.....

1878  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BREAKING NEWS: Bitcoin ATM on Xinwen Lianbo of CCTV (China) on: October 29, 2013, 12:20:39 PM
That was quite short. What does it say, is it positive?

edit: Somebody please put a Bitcoin sticker onto this beast: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDZxvHE2s60

You can find the transcript in the OP
1879  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The use of Guy Fawkes Signature in case of ECDSA zero-day exploits on: October 29, 2013, 07:59:31 AM
With the soft-fork, any old-style transactions without a SPV proof are simply invalid.

Pretty sure that invalidating the de facto transaction is a hard fork.

No. Invalidating a valid transaction is soft-fork by definition.
1880  Economy / Speculation / Re: Up or down from current Mtgox prices? ~$205 on: October 29, 2013, 07:58:31 AM
How much do want to invest?

If you want to invest triple digits in fiat go all in.
If you want to invest quadruple digits and up, then buy some now set limit buy orders all the way down ~165$ and go all in if we break 260$ on bitstamp.
That's what I would do if I was out of the market.


It's relative. Double digits could be a lot for some people, while quadruple digits could be nothing for some other people
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