My question remains despite being repeatedly banned by the thread owner. Make a note. Reddit and my own thread here will then prevail. failing that my home shall be full disclosure thread on all available lists.
My simple questions in honest earnest turns into a monumental fest of unknown origins.
You may delete this as well and I will continue to ask the salient point / question.
That will be nice because, I want answers to it and it doesn't matter to me how long it takes to get them.
I've never deleted a single post, except my own. Edit: And what is your question ? Edit2: Need to drive to work. Will read and reply later today. Guy |
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Good to have the Spondoolies-Tech CEO (Guy) here to respond to all the questions. Thanks Guy !
Sorry if we seem to be treating you with a small serving of skepticism, no disrespect is intended. This is a tough business for everybody right now, and it doesn't look like its going to improve anytime soon. Regulatory risk, pricing risk, delivery risk, risk risk risk ...
Keep up the good work !
Thank you. The skepticism is to be expected after what this industry customers have been served in the last year. We watched it in total disbelief: unreasonable delivery dates, bogus spec, absurd designs, low quality products. Building of immense farm with customers money - to list a few of the wrong doings. We are trying to be different. Transparent, honest and most importantly, not to compete with our customers. We're selling only products we're 100% sure we'll deliver on time and on spec. We don't oversell or over promise. We do believe that by aiming high enough, executing fast enough while maintaining quality we allow our customers a good chance for a very good ROI - time will tell. Guy GOOD JOB, Guy(s)...!!!...  I hope you'll continue the same way in the months to come...! Thanks for the specs info too... Thank you. No...Thank you...! I thought that you are sleeping... Have a good night... Just woke up after good refreshing 4 hours. Lot of work today.. |
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Good to have the Spondoolies-Tech CEO (Guy) here to respond to all the questions. Thanks Guy !
Sorry if we seem to be treating you with a small serving of skepticism, no disrespect is intended. This is a tough business for everybody right now, and it doesn't look like its going to improve anytime soon. Regulatory risk, pricing risk, delivery risk, risk risk risk ...
Keep up the good work !
Thank you. The skepticism is to be expected after what this industry customers have been served in the last year. We watched it in total disbelief: unreasonable delivery dates, bogus spec, absurd designs, low quality products. Building of immense farm with customers money - to list a few of the wrong doings. We are trying to be different. Transparent, honest and most importantly, not to compete with our customers. We're selling only products we're 100% sure we'll deliver on time and on spec. We don't oversell or over promise. We do believe that by aiming high enough, executing fast enough while maintaining quality we allow our customers a good chance for a very good ROI - time will tell. Guy GOOD JOB, Guy(s)...!!!... I hope you'll continue the same way in the months to come...! Thanks for the specs info too... Thank you. |
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Good to have the Spondoolies-Tech CEO (Guy) here to respond to all the questions. Thanks Guy !
Sorry if we seem to be treating you with a small serving of skepticism, no disrespect is intended. This is a tough business for everybody right now, and it doesn't look like its going to improve anytime soon. Regulatory risk, pricing risk, delivery risk, risk risk risk ...
Keep up the good work !
Thank you. The skepticism is to be expected after what this industry customers have been served in the last year. We watched it in total disbelief: unreasonable delivery dates, bogus spec, absurd designs, low quality products. Building of immense farm with customers money - to list a few of the wrong doings. We are trying to be different. Transparent, honest and most importantly, not to compete with our customers. We're selling only products we're 100% sure we'll deliver on time and on spec. We don't oversell or over promise. We do believe that by aiming high enough, executing fast enough while maintaining quality we alllow our customers a good chance for a very good ROI - time will tell. Guy |
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Thanks for posting the link to the datsheet
Trends
You're welcome. |
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Thank you. For many others the numbers do work.
I imagine the deep discounts on SP30s you offer big customers and cooperatives make the risk/reward assessment look better. Unfortunately, smaller miners don't have the purchasing power of the corporations and cooperatives, which incidentally makes your statements regarding your dedication to distribution of network hash power look just a little disingenuous. The amount of miners we've sold to big corporations is less than 10% of the total miners we've sold. We do give bulk discounts, but probably not what they're used to. We'll happily do group buys and give larger discounts on the SP30 and SP10. We're committed to the distribution of the hash-rate and the long term viability of the eco-system. Guy |
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Pre-ordering has risks. It also has potential for steep rewards. Do your decision.
I have no skin in this game at the moment but at least KNC has a plan B. KNC published plan B well after they knew they'll be late. The can give their customers all the hash-rate to fulfill plan B immediately. They are cynically decided not to. I'd send you $40k now if I thought I could ROI 6 SP30s in a year, but with current difficulty projections and the price trend on BTC, the numbers don't work. Good luck with your project.
Thank you. For many others the numbers do work. |
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Indeed, I'm not an ASIC technical guy.
Point taken. After Passover holiday (towards the end of next week) we'll publish some more technical data.
I do however know the exact status of the project and it's timeline. And everything I've said is true.
As explained multiple time before. The 2nd gen is a simple die shrink of our 1st gen ASIC. It's essentially the same engine.
Well, there enough people here who understand that with a simple die shrink noise margins shrink faster than the consumed power. Anyway, I will gladly wait for an update after Nissan 22nd, 5774. Meanwhile, please enjoy a belated happy Purim song, because I don't know any Passover songs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5T25pdNBVUIt will be around the 24th of April I've edited my previous reply, please find and read it. Thank you for the song. The exact same team that did the 1st gen is doing the 2nd gen. They have done multiple 28nm ASICs before - much more complex one. |
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The technical data is available in the web site. It's a bit outdated. Upon signing an NDA we'll release all the needed information to start a design based on our 1st gen and 2nd gen ASICs. Multiple parties, companies and one collective already got the information.
The updated spec of our 2nd gen ASIC:
Voltage 0.63 V
Total Engines 193
Max frequency at TT corner 984 MHz
Performance 190 GHs
Power 65 W
Power/performance 0.34 W/GHs
Multiple voltages and overclocking points possible.
Does it make you more comfortable ?
Should I post working FPGA pictures ?
Verilog test bench ?
Seriously, we know what we're doing.
The ASICs will arrive on time, working. SP30 will be delivered on time and on spec.
Edit:
Some more information on the system. SP30, like the SP10 will contains two ASICs boards and one management board.
The management board will contain the same TI Sitara processor and FPGA. Beside the FPGA, it's almost identical to Beagle Bone Black.
(Unlike other vendors, we don't ship with hobby boards...)
Each ASICs board contains 15 RockerBox ASICs. The total system output is expected to be over 5.5 TH/s
We've improved our DC2DC design, and we're testing it separately on a test board.
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We won't release any information on our 3rd gen ASIC (PickAxe) beside stating again that the design goal is to compete and win in the EH/s (Exa Hash/s) era, while eradicating (by making obsolete) a well known northern farm.
I presume that you are just a marketroid. What you just did by saying "we know what we are doing" and "verilog testbench" is to suggest that you don't have any experience with designing power-limited and noise-limited ASICs. There is obviously a small possibility that someone in your team knows it, but intentionally told you to misinform. But I somehow doubt this had happened in Israel right after shabbat. You could make an intelligent post without disclosing any proprietary info. Bitfury for example had posted max clock speed for his chip with all hashing engines running and with just one engine running. He also posted whole slew of timing-margin and noise-margin vs. supply voltage values. If you have no detailed BSIM (or similar analog) models of your chips at this stage then you quite clearly aren't in the "know what we are doing" category but in the "CAD monkey" category. This doesn't bode well for the successful delivery. Simon Barber of Hashfast was the most recent example on this forum: "our chip will work because Apache Redhawk says so!" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270384.msg2894710#msg2894710PS. In the above message all "you" should be understood as "plural you" (i.e. whole company as opposed to the person posting) with the exception of the very first. Indeed, I'm not an ASIC technical guy. Point taken. After Passover holiday (towards the end of next week) we'll publish some more technical data. I do however know the exact status of the project and it's timeline. And everything I've said is true. As explained multiple time before. The 2nd gen is a simple die shrink of our 1st gen ASIC. It's essentially the same engine. Edit: RockerBox technical brief is here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/c65ebuvoh5sek2f/rockerbox_brief.pdfFull datasheet will be given upon signing NDA We'll post more technical data to "prove" project status after the Passover holiday. This post was written by Guy Corem, Spondoolies-Tech CEO (This user is shared between multiple Spondoolies-Tech employees) |
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"... (e) The Purchaser is not entitled to refuse acceptance of the Products, or make claims for compensation due to any delayed delivery; and ..."
NO refunds, buddy...
That is pretty clear and unambiguous. And if it wasn't, this quote (also from the terms of sale) is: 3) Delivery; Shipment. Delivery dates communicated or acknowledged by Spondoolies in the Order Confirmation are approximate only, and are dependent upon supply chain interruptions and stoppages, development delays, and other factors. Therefore, Purchaser shall not rely upon, and Spondoolies shall not be liable under whatsoever circumstances for any other estimation statement of expectation when delivery will occur.
which seems fair enough. The purchaser assumes all risk, just like any other pre-order. Spondoolies-Tech should qualify their public statements regarding their resolve to deliver on time with a statement like "but if we don't, its too bad". Since we won't get to it, it's a moot point. Should we offer 15% discount on the next purchase like other vendor who fail to meet spec ? As explained, failure to meet the deadline can occurred only as a result of catastrophic event, in which case offering refunds now will be a gross lie. Pre-ordering has risks. It also has potential for steep rewards. Do your decision. |
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What is this...?...Could you elaborate...?
This is my wildest dream that I'm currently having. Welcome. It's a nightmare, menace and a dagger at the heart of the still fragile Bitcoin ecosystem. |
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OK. Thanks. Sending some spondoolies your way. Thank you |
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Needless to say, even in this relative trivial project we're doing verification + FPGA validation.
The exact status of the project:
We've submitted final net list to Global Unichip, the tapeout will be in the beginning of May.
One positive thing you could do to assuage the prospective customers is to post some concrete technical information about both your present chip and the future ones. There is literally a lot of info that you could post without disclosing anything detrimental to the technical competitiveness of your project, e.g. some results of simulations like noise margins versus supply voltage. If you need inspiration please go read bitfury's past posts. The technical data is available in the web site. It's a bit outdated. Upon signing an NDA we'll release all the needed information to start a design based on our 1st gen and 2nd gen ASICs. Multiple parties, companies and one collective already got the information. The updated spec of our 2nd gen ASIC: Voltage 0.63 V Total Engines 193 Max frequency at TT corner 984 MHz Performance 190 GHs Power 65 W Power/performance 0.34 W/GHs Multiple voltages and overclocking points possible. Does it make you more comfortable ? Should I post working FPGA pictures ? Verilog test bench ? Seriously, we know what we're doing. The ASICs will arrive on time, working. SP30 will be delivered on time and on spec. Edit: Some more information on the system. SP30, like the SP10 will contains two ASICs boards and one management board. The management board will contain the same TI Sitara processor and FPGA. Beside the FPGA, it's almost identical to Beagle Bone Black. (Unlike other vendors, we don't ship with hobby boards...) Each ASICs board contains 15 RockerBox ASICs. The total system output is expected to be over 5.5 TH/s We've improved our DC2DC design, and we're testing it separately on a test board. Edit2: We won't release any information on our 3rd gen ASIC (PickAxe) beside stating again that the design goal is to compete and win in the EH/s (Exa Hash/s) era, while eradicating (by making obsolete) a well known northern farm. |
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Thanks. I did have a look, but the OP indicates some units are sold out. Hosting - If I go for 3 months hosting, is that available immediately? Is hosting a cloud based service only, or is hosting linked to the purchase of hardware? Please recheck: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp10-dawson-june-batchThe hosting is linked to the purchased hardware. You'll get full access to your miner UI. At any point, you may elect to end the hosting and ship the miner. |
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KNC can provide the entire hash-rate to their customers right now. They've chosen not to do so and directly compete with their customers.
This kind of business practice we're committed to root out. We have long catch up to do, but we are determined to turn the below into useless pile of junks (i.e. obsolete and below electrically break-even) by delivering on-time much more power efficient hardware.
Sounds very good! Let's hope it stays that way.  Ironically KNC was pitching the same mentality and slogans last year, then they turned.  I'm not aware to their last year pitching. I believe that our conduct is much more ethical from the get-go. My point: We can do excellent business while distributing the hash-rate. We'll prove that. If I had the money to throw at you I'd throw it all, take out a small loan and throw that at you as well Buy some miners |
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KNC can provide the entire hash-rate to their customers right now. They've chosen not to do so and directly compete with their customers.
This kind of business practice we're committed to root out. We have long catch up to do, but we are determined to turn the below into useless pile of junks (i.e. obsolete and below electrically break-even) by delivering on-time much more power efficient hardware.
Sounds very good! Let's hope it stays that way. Ironically KNC was pitching the same mentality and slogans last year, then they turned. I'm not aware to their last year pitching. I believe that our conduct is much more ethical from the get-go. My point: We can do excellent business while distributing the hash-rate. We'll prove that. |
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Sorry then, I must have misunderstood you. What is your refund policy if 3 SP30s ordered in April for August delivery aren't delivered in August ?
Re-read my reply. I'd prefer a clear and unambiguous statement of your refund policy before I commit $20K to an order. We're committed in unambiguous way to our terms of sale: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/pages/terms-of-saleIf you're feeling uncomfortable with them, please wait for July when we'll ship first SP30 before making an order. Edit: In July, we'll probably take pre-orders to October, but at least you'll know that we've delivered... |
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Sorry then, I must have misunderstood you. What is your refund policy if 3 SP30s ordered in April for August delivery aren't delivered in August ?
Re-read my reply. |
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