Can we now PLEASE keep a tone that is appropriate for adults discussing the development of a potential good product? Thanks. To all.
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almost, but with much less swearing, I'm Scots, I can't help it ffs Lol, good one Also, I'm not that sure that no one gets it. Good arguments are being made and THAT is exactly how to convince people. And I think that (as already stated multiple times) the devs do consider everything being said here. So, probably the decision is not final yet and if people care about UTC and have important things to say to prevent it from dying, that's actually a good thing. That's at least the way I see it. When said to make people think instead of causing fud Of course. The tone makes the music, as always. But even though the tone can become a bit harsh from time to time, it's important that everything cools down in the end. And I do see this happen right now.
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almost, but with much less swearing, I'm Scots, I can't help it ffs Lol, good one Also, I'm not that sure that no one gets it. Good arguments are being made and THAT is exactly how to convince people. And I think that (as already stated multiple times) the devs do consider everything being said here. So, probably the decision is not final yet and if people care about UTC and have important things to say to prevent it from dying, that's actually a good thing. That's at least the way I see it.
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Miners dumping coins on exchanges was never your problem. That's the only thing this full PoS solution really solves.
I don't know what "experts" in the crypto field you spoke to, but you only heard what you wanted to or were fed bad advice. PoS with a 7 day minimum coin age is a disaster waiting to happen as far as the blockchain is concerned. It will be fine... initially. There are plenty of people with a whole lot of coins not doing anything with them.
But at 30 second blocks (I'll review the code to see if your PoS implementation is on the same schedule as PoW), you're going to have 20,160 blocks in each PoS minimum age cycle. I highly doubt you wrote new code that restricts the total number of coins that can be staked in each block, hence you'd need 20,160 separate instances of stakeable coins every week to keep the transactions times constant.
If we make the assumption that the average wallet may have quite a few different coin ages in it at any given time, I still wouldn't guess there would be more than 25 stakeable instances per wallet per period. You'd need 806 wallets open 24/7 with stakeable coins to hit that number. That's assuming none of them ever move them.
Which is the other problem with PoS. The whole rise in price of most PoS coins was due to their limited distribution period where people bought and hoarded them because they felt like they were getting in on a limited time offer. After the first few dumps that happened after the PoS phase started for coins, the dumps came earlier and earlier. New PoS coins can't even sustain their pump to the end of their distribution stage anymore before being dumped as people try to get out while the getting is good.
Now you have a full PoS coin that basically does not allow people to get in on the limited distribution stage. How are you going to market that?
"Hey, we're full PoS! The only way you can get it is to buy some from us!" "Why do I want to buy it?" "Because you need to get it while the price is still low!" "Why?" "Because our multipool is going to be buying it all up!" "What are they doing with the UTC they buy?" "...selling it to you, dear investor!" "Why do I want it again?" "So you can hold and sell it to other investors." "This sounds like a pyramid scheme."
The point is that you still haven't created demand and now you've killed the only identity this coin has marketed for the past 5 months. It's no longer a mineable asic-resistant coin, and there is a good chance transactions speeds are about to suffer. You can't arb with it, you can't use it anywhere that other coins can't be used, and now you've shunned everyone that hadn't already been a part of the community. The only way out is to cannibalize those within the community now as you buy and sell to one another.
The statement's been put out there and I wouldn't take it back at this point, because looking flaky is only going to shake confidence even further. But I really would have strongly advised against hopping on a bandwagon that has already passed.
Thank you so much! That's a good explanation which is understandable and substantiates the risks with facts. Thank you! Finally!
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bumface: when it comes down to money, people can become real dipsh!ts. They don't restrain from nothing, even accusing people of stealing, just to get their benefit (whichever that might be). Just like in the "big" financial world, just with the difference that we have a lot of kiddies running around here who aren't equipped with the resources which the "big boys" have, so they are left with swearing and trolling...
So you agree that centralization of capital and access is a good thing? POS brings nothing to the table, all it does is centralizes the market and liquidity. There is no "free market" it comes down to the biggest group, the only people able to make anything off POS are the ones with the control over the money flow, there is no way to mine it except by handing over cash in advance to buy from those people. It does not provide more services or opportunities to spend UTC making it "money" You have a multipool which pays out in UTC, great, good job (honestly Granng it's work well done), another POS downside, the pool has to buy from the holders who are able to dictate market prices.......... Yes you can try the pathetic argument that everyone is free to sell at whatever price they want, so free market competition is alive and well. Only to a point, if you don't understand how this works, I suggest you stop playing with crypto as you're nothing more than "dumb money" If pointing out reality makes me a troll, so be it, It's a HUGE bridge to sit under. I still see nothing anywhere or answers other than calling me a troll and FUDster over concerns over POS that would make me think otherwise? What does UTC want to even be, do you guys even know anymore? I'm not doing this as pure FUD. What's the problem taking your heads out of the sand for five minutes and dealing like stuff with the supposed "adults" that you are supposed to be? Ok my origional attitude sucked, yes I posted angry and I shouldn't have. Are these questions so hard to answer or is more moderation required as it's far easier to hide reality than explain it, is it? No, flobdeth, actually I'm totally fine with your posts. We're having conversation here and it's okay to express one's concerns (as I said, I'm here to learn about both sides as I cannot fully estimate the consequences of full PoS). My post was directed to king_pin, as this was nothing but FUD and accusations without any arguments to manifest what he said. So, no problem here from my side. .edit: bumface, soccer final round Germany against Netherlands, that would be great, eh? Hope you guys win tonight!
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bumface: when it comes down to money, people can become real dipsh!ts. They don't restrain from nothing, even accusing people of stealing, just to get their benefit (whichever that might be). Just like in the "big" financial world, just with the difference that we have a lot of kiddies running around here who aren't equipped with the resources which the "big boys" have, so they are left with swearing and trolling...
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Are the devs really thinking of going POS POS/POW together is a good idea, bot going 100% POS will be the end of UTC!!!
When you read the last posts, you'll notice that we've gone one step further, already. We're beyond the point of just stating "this will be the end!!!!!11", we're already discussing our concerns why or why not this might be the case.
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People using bad language disqualify themselves and I think others should have the chance to see them doing so. Also, even such posts can be discussed. My next question would have been whether he is able to express himself in an appropriate manner and if he might give some arguments for what he probably intended to say.
People here should have the chance to discuss stuff and they should also have the chance to disqualify themselves, imho.
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Yes, please stop deleting posts.
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flobdeth: that's just more buzzwords. Still not satisfied. POS is the end of UTC.
The last pump and dump before its end.
I really liked this coin and I thought it had a future right there next to DRK, VTC and BC. But I guess the developers have other plans.
Can you maybe deliver some arguments to substantiate your theory instead of just throwing buzzwords, please? History of all other POS coins that have all been pumped and dumped into oblivion. The most successful alternative coins to litecoin are those that champion different algorithms. Making ULT POS basically makes it abandon the algorithm market. It's strong point was the scrypt-jane algo. Maybe, I'm not sure about how things will sort out (to be honest: I do not have any experience with the price-related development of other coins which went into full PoS). What I'd like to know is: what concretely makes PoS worse? I read here that transactions might take longer as an argument, but the counter-argument was that the transaction times were well considered in this decision. So, who's right now? Also: how many coins are in circulation right now? If I remember correctly, 100kk coins were initially to be released over the period of 1 year (is that correct?), plus the PoS, of course. Now that the supply is being cut way earlier, is there any way to find out what the current total supply is? [edit: coinmarketcap says 16,909,741 - just looked it up] And the argument that noone is willing to let his coins sleep in his wallet to support PoS/network: at least I did setup a dedicated box which runs my wallet 24/7. I'm not sure about others but I don't think that lots of people would relinquish the interest, as well as I totally cannot imagine that there's so many people letting their coins sit on exchanges over a longer period of time. And even if that is the case, I could imagine that the exchanges' wallets do have coin control features enabled, so maybe they also support the network (not sure about the amount of movement in exchange wallets in general, so it's just a guess). If anyone wants to prove me wrong, please do so. At the moment, I'm here to understand the benefits and/or risks of going full PoS, so any arguments (besides "clusterfuck", offense intended) are highly appreciated. .edit: grammar
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POS is the end of UTC.
The last pump and dump before its end.
I really liked this coin and I thought it had a future right there next to DRK, VTC and BC. But I guess the developers have other plans.
Can you maybe deliver some arguments to substantiate your theory instead of just throwing buzzwords, please?
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Hey there,
now that the weekly PoS comes into effect soon, i finally managed to setup a dedicated GNU/Linux box (an Asus EEE PC, which seems to be quite energy efficient for the purpose of running 24/7). After i had all needed tools, programs and libraries installed, the compiling went through after some errors. Now the client runs smoothly and downloads the blockchain. I'm using the same wallet there which I'm currently using on my notebook I'm using for everyday stuff.
Although I'm planning to uninstall the wallet from my notebook, I was asking myself this question: can it cause problems when two PCs are running the same wallet, especially when Stake Minting is enabled?
I'm asking because I still did not fully understand how PoS is being calculated (is 24/7 really necessary or if I'm e.g. 3.5 of 7 days online, will I get half PoS etc.). I could dive into the code to find out myself, but as I never ever worked with C++, I was hoping that maybe someone just knows it.
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Can we have the wallet sources so linux users can build their own wallet?
On ultracoin.net, just visit "wallet" and you'll see a Linux version. The link redirects to Github, there you can either download the source as zip or clone it. Then, you can compile manually or use the .pro file - works like a charm
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funsponge, don't be mad at him. Sometimes, critics can be very productive and I honestly think that his words weren't meant to be destructive. Critics aren't necessarily a bad thing. We just have to find a way between being silent and spamming, that's all.
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I also think so. It's becoming too much and people are getting annoyed. From time to time a little bit should be fine, but please don't spam. Remember what happened when people "advertised" Quark...
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Hello,
I've been doing a lot of research on bitcoin and its weaknesses. I realize that bitcoin is software and that anything about it can be changed. After using it for a few months, I think the greatest annoyance is the long transaction times. For large purchases such as transferring money or purchasing a house, the transaction times are fine, but if bitcoin is to really take off in day to day life, it needs much faster transaction times. No one will want to wait around for 15 minutes for confirmations.
My question is, since bitcoin is software, will the transaction times be decreased in the future? I think they absolutely must be or else another cryptocurrency will come along and do it.
I somewhat agree on this. Just this morning, i was sending bitcoins to an exchange, and being used to the fast transaction times of Ultracoin, it was kind of a very long time to wait. Especially when it comes down to trading at good prices, the time it takes to confirm 4x can become an eternity. Question is probably about security. Decreasing block times also means decreasing security, if i remember correctly.
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Dammit, just two very hours ago, i decided to give the version 1.0.3 a go (this is always very time consuming when compiling from source under GNU/Linux) and now i read that 1.0.4 is coming out soon. I definitely should have had a look into the forums before the compiling had finished. ^^
But great work, my notebook is always happy compiling when it's for a good reason. Thumbs up!
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Just from a web developer's point of view: isn't there still the problem of duplicate content and thus Google massively downrating your forums (or maybe even both)?
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Hey guys, I'm currently working on a website which will go online in the next weeks. Cannot pick an exact date, as I'm also a web developer by profession (and passion) and I'm doing this in my spare time. The website is a TYPO3v6 project and its target is to make people all over the world aware of where they can pay with cryptocurrencies (in online- as well as "brick-and-mortar-stores", you know, those offline ones one can actually touch, hehe). As I'm totally into Ultracoin, I'd love to support it by listing it on the page, as one of the first coins to be represented there. Here's an overview of the functionality: - search for country, city, zip, address to find shops and services which accept cryptocurrencies
- a nice map which shows the search results (I'm using OpenStreetMap, combined with Leaflet.js)
- users will be able to submit new shops and services (either directly by using a login on this website - then, the entry will be available directly - or as unregistered user where I'll have to add the shop/service manually)
- a voting system for shops and services whom users wish to accept cryptocurrencies (will be sort of the main USP of my project, as it brings huge opportunities: we can make vendors aware of how big the interest in them adding e.g. Ultracoin support to their website actually is)
- ...and some other nice features
Actually, I'm pretty far with the website; the search feature and the maps work like a charm. I'm programming an MVC-based Extbase-/Fluid-Extension which handles all this stuff. Extbase and Fluid are Frameworks (Extbase for functionality, Fluid as templating engine) which belong to the TYPO3 CMS. Thought that this would be a good idea, because I never really found an extensive, community-based project which tells me where i can spend my ultracoins, bitcoins, litecoins and what not else. So that's just a little announcement. If some of you like to give some feedback about this idea in general (meaning, do you think it's actually useful or a waste of time), it would be very appreciated.
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Was solls, ich gebe ihm eine Chance.
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