Bob Suplus and a Nazi make an ICO? What could go wrong?
Can you at least research before posting stuff you just heard somewhere on the internet? Like him or not, this guy was like 18 years old, back then. He is 38, now. Do you also hate whole countries because their ancestors have done bad things hundreds or thousands of years ago? |
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Alright, thanks for the heads up.
I think I'll be able to monitor things until finished, seems to progress nicely.
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Forum Link on C-cex links to "old" thread.
Old thread does not make any mention to "New ANN". New ANN looks the same.
What is this? Amateur hour?
Just give things some time.  |
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Exciting times coming for Sphere!  |
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Alright, thank you. Will probably do so, later.
Some sort of mailing list would be cool where we can subscribe our mail addresses, so we'll get a notification when things are done and ready, just in case it takes a bit longer.
Otherwise, I'd probably forget about it.
I'll suggest that in the main thread.
My suggestion from the other thread. Also, another question: Announcement thread says they want to have finished the wallets by 05/20. Does that hold? And does that mean that we can get our addresses by then? |
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Alright, thank you. Will probably do so, later.
Some sort of mailing list would be cool where we can subscribe our mail addresses, so we'll get a notification when things are done and ready, just in case it takes a bit longer.
Otherwise, I'd probably forget about it.
I'll suggest that in the main thread.
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151.4877225 BTC
Sweet.. I wonder what my guess was back in that early thread? Ok so when does this ico start? Announcement thread says they want to have finished the wallets by 05/20. Does that hold? And does that mean that we can get our addresses by then? |
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AllYourAcid, for any shady dev running an ICO, it is risk free to buy coins with your own BTC. You get the coins, you get the BTC. Both. So that is what is so silly about all these theories about devs laundering BTC. That add completely unnecessary, complex, and high risk step to something they could do themselves, risk free. This is why these theories strike me as so silly.
As for your casual approach to requiring evidence before accusing people - well, that goes against basic decency. You joining the others in lumping Adam G with other shady devs - without any evidence - is unfortunate and sad. Your accusation that any BTC sent to the devs before crowdfunding end is automatically shady is simply absurd. Allow me to quote from the OP:
"The Bitcoins you send to me will not be released to the developers until I have the 2.5 million VIRAL in hand. "
The escrow states clearly that when BAC had the working wallet and Viral, the BTC was subject to release.
I fail to see anything in BAC's actions that does not follow the guidelines set out in the escrow. If you preferred a different sort of escrow, you could have said so, or invested in something else. But to accuse people of wrongdoing in this situation - when you have no evidence of anything of the sort -simply demeans you, after having demeaned others.
Please, read before you type. I explicitly said (multiple !! times) that I don't accuse anybody of anything. I just realized that this model leaves room for shady business, which it does. I never said it's being used (I even explained why I didn't say that: because I just don't know and didn't take the time to research). So please, take your time to finish reading my post thoroughly before hitting the reply button next time. |
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Is there anybody who cares to distribute BTC addresses to join the IPO?
Waiting since hours.
This is a scam IPO. The btc address listed in the OP transferred all btc to this address, im guessing the dev. He then transferred it out to exchange address then back to IPO address with escrow. https://blockchain.info/address/16EcGJdVT1noArDBYJjHpphWRgWhcypYrBTotal Received 107.95293049 BTC Final Balance 39.11776719 BTC The btc collected are being used to buy back to inflate the price. Funny thing, the so called whales are scammers . See my post two above my last one. Thanks for the final balance. I just wondered, because - scam or not - at the last day of an IPO, those running it should care to get as many people in as possible. |
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Is there anybody who cares to distribute BTC addresses to join the IPO?
Waiting since hours.
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I have refrained from posting in this thread and perhaps I should continue to do so. After all, the more fud that is sprayed out by nomoreheroes, illodin, dasource etc. supposedly the more people will refrain from buying, supposedly bettering my relative share.
However my training in economics gets the best of me when i see things like "Bob Surplus is going to buy 500 coins!" and other such drivel and "buyback" theories being posted.
The original amount of BTC apparently released according to what i saw from the totals in the first (deleted) thread was less than 50 btc. Hardly the sort of money one is going to 'take over' a crowdfunding with. And as an earlier poster pointed out, they could do the exact same thing with their own BTC, at zero risk, if they were thinking this way.
Yet these people come in here - with zero evidence - assert that massive shennanigans are taking place.
My partners and I have taken a satisfactory postion Viral. It suits our current RL network and we believe there is a a lot of potential in such a network, especially one that allows entities approaching DACs to eventually built out on it.
Whether large whales are buying in or not really makes little difference to us. A larger market cap lets Adam G and his team build out the back end of the project faster - and there are other projects with their eye on the prize. So this is a very good thing.
Anyhow, this thread was widely predicted to become a circus of fud as the crowdfunding drew to a close. One would hope that the fudders would take a shot at the actual business model, or the network structure of Viral, or some other relevant topic. But it seems to be just aimed at making large claims without any evidence. Throwing fud at the wall to see what sticks.
Hey, I think the solution to this is pretty simple. But first, I'd like to point out the concerns. You said nothing would prevent people to use their own BTC to pull this through. Yes, there is: it basically poses the risk on themselves, and their amount of BTC (or the amount of risk they would be willing to put into this - if that theory applies) is limited. When BTC which are put into the IPO are directly forwarded to the ones running the IPO, they could literally buy as many VIRAL as they'd like: - send BTC to IPO address
- get an entry in the list of buyers
- BTC are sent back to the buyer
- buyer increases his position in the IPO
- rinse & repeat, over and over
That would be a significant difference to just using their own coins. But as I said: if the theory applies. I don't know it, and I haven't researched it. I don't want to pull this project through the dirt, because I don't know enough. Now, the solution would be simple: compile a list of the BTC addresses listed in the OP and note how many ingoing transactions show "spent". If nearly all do (or at least a significant amount), then at least the possibility exists that the BTC are already back with those who run the IPO. Also, please don't always ride that old "without any evidence" horse. IF the funds are already released back to those running it, it would be shady. Nothing more to say here. Did you sleep under a rock in 2014? Didn't you see what happens to IPOs being run on e.g. Bter.com, this crappy shitbooth of an exchange? That being said, I still don't know if any of all this applies. And I have no intention to check the BTC addresses myself. Can't be bothered to, right now. |
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One question: if I join the IPO and fund the BTC address being provided to me, how do I receive the VIRAL after the IPO has ended? I didn't find any information on that (sorry if it's already in this thread).
I just wonder how the connection is made between my BTC address and the VIRAL address which is supposed to receive what I have bought.
Wallet will be released after ICO then you send BayAreaCoins your viral adddress and he will send you your viral. -tb- Well, that's simple. Thank you for the heads-up. I already requested a BTC address. According to the timezone mentioned in the first post, the IPO guys are probably asleep. 6pm PST is after midnight in my timezone (GMT+2). I'll be asleep by then. Would be nice if BayAreaCoins manages to provide me with an address a bit earlier. |
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One question: if I join the IPO and fund the BTC address being provided to me, how do I receive the VIRAL after the IPO has ended? I didn't find any information on that (sorry if it's already in this thread).
I just wonder how the connection is made between my BTC address and the VIRAL address which is supposed to receive what I have bought.
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I am on the correct fork , I have coins missing from balance ..... Stupid thing is when you look at the transaction history and add them up they all tally to what they should be .. but balance is coins down .....weird , i've had a lot of wallets in my time , first time for everything i guess  100 coins missing Q Restart your new wallet with -rescan switch You're a Star , Ty very much for your help .. pop and there they are Q I had similar problems from time to time with other coins (BTC, LTC). I don't know if that's the case with yours, but for me, this occurred when I managed the private keys for the same wallet on different machines, e.g. for Bitcoin managing the Mycelium wallet on my mobile and the bitcoin-qt on my notebook, or in the case of XMS, maybe running the official wallet plus the RaspberryPi one using the same private keys. My guess is that this is due to how transactions are done: for every transaction, you have an output of the amount you're sending, plus the remaining amount of coins you have in your wallet. Those are sent to an internally generated, new address which "resolves" to your local wallet. If you now have two wallets using the same private keys, the one you didn't send from doesn't know about the private keys of the newly generated address, thus showing a mismatch in values. But nothing gets lost in this process, which is why the -rescan option corrects the mismatch. I don't know if that's 100% true what I said, but it sounds as if it could make sense. Would be nice if anyone could confirm or correct what I stated. |
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Suprnova, CryptoBE and C-Cex all seem to be on different forks..
Right at the moment:
C-Cex shows the last block is 6541.
CryptoBE shows the last block is 5703.
Suprnova explorer shows the last block is 5984.
Which one is correct?
If Bittrex is on the same fork as C-cex, then this should be the correct one. Sending between both exchanges worked, just recently. |
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I am working on getting us a web wallet currently. Encrypted messaging and tor are confirmed.    Much more to come. This is just the beginning of XMS. I understand a large potion of the crypto community is very short-sighted. Though I believe through constant development and upgrades to XMS we WILL overcome this!Even the "big guys" often look out for coins with potential. I mean, who would invest in a coin which does not make progress? For that reason, I think regular updates and improvements are indeed necessary. I'm curious where this goes! |
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$XMS is 1/12th the price of sling & has around the same supply..
Just saying
I have traded it a bit, and last night, I have made back my initial investment. This means that I'm currently on a free roll with all the remaining coins I have. So I can stay completely calm while seeing where this goes. |
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Dev MIA?  Give him a break. I heard that some people need a rest, from time to time.  |
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MegaStake XMS 2999.90000000 It works! Thanks for resolving! |
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For those, who has issues syncing:
We were able to full resync well with fresh wallet.dat
After that - stop wallet, move Your wallet.dat back and launch with -rescan option. Should be fine.
Our wallet opened for deposits/withdrawals.
my coins that i withdrew to trex are nowhere to be found. Not on c-cex, not on trex. Can't find the txid in the block explorer too. Same issue here. According to c-cex, this should resolve automatically, though. |
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