you are on a bitcon forum............................

your not on a weed forum............................

so i think your posting on the wrong site if your not concentrating on a town for bitcoiners... seems to me your utopian dream belongs on a stoners website..

which explains why you mention about stoners wont get arrested but people with financial crimes (no victims) will get arrested,

your utopian cream.. oops i meant dream... no actually lets stick with cream.. that white gooey stuff that you get excited over.

having an 11yo sister smoking weed is acceptable. but having $200 credit card bill is not acceptable, therefore arrestable. purely because the guy moved over to bitcoin and forgot to cancel his card so the credit company carried on charging him monthly fee's..

way to go cult leader.. ooops mayor.. your really winning votes

but for 2 years im a bitcoin only zone. people will still be building houses ad growing the food.. so there will be no used sunflower oil or alcohol produced. and by the third year to then buy a bus.. its time to move to the island...

i know you sound like you have passion for an idea. but dont even try quoting a price of investment of an idea out of a 24hour brainfart you have..

lol so now you want to say your townsfolk are writiers.. ok so lets say we have 50 aspiring writers .. 50 people that like farming/gardening. a few mechanics, a few lawyers, teachers, but wait.. wheres the builders and construction, architects going to live...

hang on 98% of bitcoin community are all programmers and entrepeuners. so where are all the office workers, shop owners and everyone else going to go.

take a break from the keyboard and webcam.. soer up.. and settle on an idea.. your brain is wondering in 5 different directions which is making your investment idea not even worth bookmarking for later reference

please ignore finshaggy. he has done less research on laws and stuff then blueseed.

if anything id invest more towards blueseed instead of finshaggy. but overall i will be investing in new hampshire as they are spot on with their developments.

dont hand over cash to these guys. if anything just make a pledge of future funding once they start breaking ground... but dont be funding an IDEA which has no reality..

but if u do like comedy and utopian idea's of a stoner who's mind wonders and plans change within the same 3 minute video. finshaggys videos are worth watch.. some funny facepalm moments to be seen and heard.

so when you were arrested at 14 two years prior makes you 12yo. and your sister was younger then you. makeing her 11 or younger when she got arrested...

wow im certainly going to elect you as mayor of the town..

unemployed, not having $2m to buy the land yourself, not having legal, political, building, economical expertise.. hmm wow yep more reason why you deserve to be mayor..

now lets add on the many more great reasons you deserve to head up this project. your utopian views

your video 6

about "your" cops not cutting down on weed use..
that is only your utopian view until someone starts dealing tainted drugs that kills people. then they will be forced to try getting these tainted batches off the streets.

your video 7
lol as stated before.. you have not researched everything but to hell with it you got the final product all imagined out with a jersey shore documentary happening 24/7

video 8
bio diesel see more examples of you utopian idea of the final design without knowing the infrustructure.. you never said where your going to get bio diesel from. oh wait..  it appears from magic dust..

video 9
preserve humanity and the world with a few carrot seeds woo hoo .. facepalm if al the plants in the world have gone then it means a catastrophy has caused things not to be able to grow.. so now you have a vault of seeds that cannot grow because the environment has changed. EG try growing carrots during a nuclear winter.. goodluck waiting 5 years+ without foodgrowth till its safe to start growing.

video 10
library.. 25c per page... oh so now your accepting fiat... dang if only you said 0.0002btc you would have had me sold purely on the ability to photocopy something at the library. .. but wait now its not a library becasue with a population of 200 you might have 2 'writers' so maybe 4 books a year.. so now its going to be a community center/school. wow in 5 minutes a library is now a community centre. how about skip the library idea and just go for the community centre that includes books....

video 11
so within 3 years of people handing over their 10k you suddenly want to move to an island.. how about research blueseed or sea steading and start looking at the legal stuff they need to know before even starting up.. skip wasting 3 years in new mexico..

it seems you want millions of dollars to half build a town, dump it then move to an island and start again... so why are you even bothering with new mexico ?? as it will take more then 3 years to get a town even up and running as a working community with sanitation, utilities and buildings and schools and shops.. let alone getting the legal stuff covered and lobbying for certain freedoms in the town..
EG year 1 break ground get sewerage, electrics, water, gas. and start making housing.
year 2 people move in and start their little farms on the land that is left.
year three ............................................

oh wait lets all move to an island
Edit: just looked at finshaggys video history, seems he just got into bitcoin in february, still doesnt realise the whole bitcoin economy even now. and is just looking for ways to grab bitcoin from naive people that get bought into his dream, because he cant afford to buy bitcoin on his favourite site silk road..

he only came up with the ideal of new mexico within the last couple days at most, done 12 hours of research to attempt to make himself sound credible and now today he is trying to sell the bitcoin island idea..

goodluck with your dreams.. one day you will wake up..

knowing enough law that a 14yo first time offender for having weed wont be in prisoned for a decade .. does not make you a law expert for building a town. EG knowing employment/tax/ laws. laws about extradition etc.

stick to your stoner law loopholes and think they will protect you.. ignore the rest of the law book, and live in your delusion you are in a sanctuary.

wel lets hope you dont need 6 months just for land.. as your 12 hours of legal research, town infrustructure, economical requirements has not paid off..

so if it does take 6 months just to find land.. ill come back in 20 years, and see how your legal, economical and infrastructure research is doing. meanwhile new hampshire is atleast more then just a poor mans beg for cash and actually has thousands of smart and well educated people in different expertise that actually have some kind of clue what needs to be done.

and lastly. i know you have not even picked the land yet but i know your warped dream has already invented a flag for the town to separate yourself from government rule.(you seem like that kind of person)

so Mr.Cult leader please describe to me the flag.

usually hairbrained idea's start at the end result what the town will be like with pretty tree's along the street and their own flags flying from the townhall, so i know you have already had an idea of a 'cult' flag design pass by your mind before even thinking about land/infrustructure costs.

admit it. your just after the cash, like many other cult/commune leaders are.

guys please realise finshaggy has no intention to start a town.. he has just spend like 12 hours reading a couple wiki articles to think up a way to convince people to hand over a total of $2mill.

he thinks it only takes $2mill ($10k from 200 people) to make it happen.

buying land costs many thousands, building 2 hundred homes costs more then $2million then the electric, water, gas, telephone/internet utilities cost many hundreds of thousands.
EG it will cost $2mill just to get a solar/windfarm to power the 200 population. let alone the land and build costs of housing

then theres the business premises such as local restaurants bars, and shops for the 200 people to work in to create a society costs more..

then the roads to link the houses to the shops. thats another few milion.

then when it comes to police force. training the guys etc etc.. it cannot be bought up for $2million.

the guy has not a single clue. he lives in a commune, i just learnt this fact even though just from his first post i knew he was not employed to actually know much about employment, laws, infrustructure, etc.

his idea is he grabs $2mill and then tells people to come on his land and build their own community, build their own houses as it it now their own land.. while he runs off to the Caribbean.

thats how cults and communes begin. hand over your worldly possessions to the leader and they will ask you to build your own house and grow your own food.

meanwhile the leader wears gold and drives lavish cars

i agree a idea of the new hampshire free state project with communities of workers in different disciplines is the way forward for bitcoin main-streaming.. bit finshaggys township idea.......... hell no

all of your promises for the price of $10,000 per person.. lol nice sales pitch, shame the research lacks.
i personally have funds that could have bought up the land you require all by myself. but your lack of knowledge proves to me you are not worthy of investment.

i can tell just by the words you use, you simply read 3 paragraphs from wikipedia and think you know everything needed to get the town financially, legally and socially settled.

you are missing out soooooooooooooooooooooo much..

check out the BETTER resource material that the new hampshire project is doing.

this is just a silly beg for $10,000 for x people for a silly idea that will not work. especially with this guy heading it up. by the way
so suddenly you now have lawyers, a courthouse, etc. dang..



so not filing social security documents is what you consider sanctuary.

atleast open a newspaper! i plead to you.
there are people that dont hand over social security numbers in every town and in every country. research illegal immigrants. yet they get caught all the time.
there are even times where someone is actually protected by non-extradition laws of different countries that still get extradited. *cough* wikileaks *cough*

.. now ill wait for the reply that suddenly an embassy, a courthouse, a state governor, are also covered by this $10,000 per person plan.... wait for it.. wait for it....... here comes more fud trying to convince people to hand over funds to him

so you wish to employe an ignorant town sheriff that will ignore certain laws and have magic powers to stop state police from entering the town...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZsLLFROucc 2 minutes 40 seconds

........"they wouldnt extradite you"......................... seriously dont research creating a town using wiki.. wiki has been wrote by individuals not experts.

so this is a guy that wants people to buy some land and think that it only takes 51% of the population living on the land to desire to call it a town.

ok fine i know a farmer that has lots of land. so all he has to do is declare himself a town.(he is divorsed and lives alone making him 100% of the population)

and now magically country government law, state government and county government laws dont apply. as soon as i heard the first video when he said the town would be a safe zone where they couldn't extradite you i laughed my head off and realised this guy has no clue. and stopped watching.

pfffft facepalm..

it does not make it a tax/political freezone purely by creating a town. it just makes a leader become the major to decide how they spend funds they gather from the population of the town.

its not just about buying land. there is more to it. the native Indian reservations and the amish communities didn't just have a bit of land to automatically make politics irrelevant. there were lots of laws and lobbying to allow these communities to be political free zones.

so lets just end this new mexico thread to wither away and atleast concentrate on the new hampshire project where atleast they seem to be doing it the right way.

the more important question is what is bitcoins policy on paypal..

and most people agree this:

if you have a verified paypal account then you obviously have a bak account. so use your bank instead to guarantee payment cant get reversed and stop scamming people by using paypal and charging back

"occupy" are the freedom fighters / soldiers of fortune. it is upto them to decide if they want to use bitcoin instead of fiat, as part of their protesting against banks.

after all if they are protesting that banks/gvernments are evil, then continuing to use the currency owned by banks and governments is then hypocritical

much like a vegetarian who says eating certain types of meat is acceptable

much like the postal service of great britain use to work for decades without stamps. where the queen and kings paid the 'postmen' food and horses to be able to transport mail between districts. but then the stamp was invented to allow individuals to use the service.

much like ripple. for years used by kings and queens (the big timer exchanges) and now using xrp for individuals.

starting to see why the stamp analogy works soo well..
opencoin do need t make money, that is true. they are a business after all. not a charity. but xrp are not gold or silver. they are simply a method of showing a costbase per transaction (decimal of an xrp per transaction) which when people buy xrp are paying for the ability to sending the transaction.

XRP are not intended to be analogised as a jewel or gold. but as a receipt/stamp as a payment of service.

please get out of the cave and read the purpose of ripple from ripple. not the chinese whispered twisted words of the youtube sofa anarchists and wiki editors.

i bet 98% of people that say ripple is a scam have never even used ripple to move bitcoin from their wallet to convert into fiat with bitstamp.
instead they just hang around these forums buying xrp off of other people and trying to sell it on to other people believing that XRP holds a value over and above that of a postage stamp.

bitcoins are in a different ballgame to xrp.. but this is the problem people think xrp are the exact same thing. once you realise to treat xrp differently, to treat xrp as just the "transaction fee" and not a jewel you will see.

bitcoins have value of a jewel because of the miners doing hard work to earn them.. xrp is not a mining coin..there is no proof of work, so its not a gold or a jewel. so should not be used as a item of value to be traded alone. just used as a tool to ensure secure transport of other currencies.

facepalm + slap across the face with a wet fish..

see this is YOUR misunderstanding. ripples are not dealing out jewels.. xrp is not a jewel or a currency. xrp is simply a stamped address envelope they offer for people to use to do transactions. but its people like you that wish to think that XRP is an item of value to be hoarded and traded for its own asset value.

yes i know there are stamp collectors that like to collect stamps. but that is not the purpose of a stamp. so stop treating xrp as a high priced item and then cry when you don't get much money for it.

ripple made billions of them because they only value xrp as pennies, purely to cover their costs. the same as the postal service printing billions of stamps and selling them for pennies purely to cover their costs.

once you realise its not a currency, alone. but more of a method for the company to get paid for offering the peer-to-peer exchange service you will all stop trying to sell xrp for bitcoin. and start holding onto your 1000 xrp and using them to exchange bitcoin into fiat, fiat into bitcoin where the xrp slowly decreases by decimal amounts as they get USED.

much like i have a drawer with a handfull of stamps that i hold so when i post a cheque i can peel a stamp off the pack and put it on an envelope.

ripple dont have bitcoins to offer customer. ripple allow bitstamp to list their address so that bitstamp is the place to deliver fiat to to get bitcoin in exchange. much like i can send a cheque to a business and get a product in return.

i will say it one last time because you seem to not realise the truth. ripple are not a pawn shop, a bitcoin trader they ar a postal service of IOU's between individuals and other businesses. ripple don't owe you anything. because they dont give out bitcoin or fiat. they just handle the cheques and deliver them to the named people involved.

so rely on what the desciption says on ripple.com. not the inept misuderstandings that individuals tell you that then get edited onto wiki. quoting wiki as a valued source of information is  a failure because its been wrote by individuals.

much like the value of quoting youtube videos as 100% truth purely because something is said does not make it the truth. do your research!
i dont hold stamps to try making money out of, i hold stamps to send cheques/letters in the mail.
that is the true purpose of ripple. a postal service for finance. not a pawn shop for jewels

ripple is not a scam you guys just have no clue what ripple is.


imagine the world where the postal service at first gave out free stamps for you to be able to send your paycheque from one person to another for free, and then they start saying the stamps were worth a few pennies to cover their expenses.

you lot of inept people shouting the postal service is a scam don't even realise the postal service exists to transmit finances between people. but complain that the stamps value is a currency and has been printed on mass purely to make the postal service money.

wel that is ripple. ripple is a peer-to-peer exchange where just 1 XRP is enough to transmit more then 1 transaction between people/exchanges. so having just 1000 xrp is enough for many many transactions. yet you lot of inept people dont use ripple for its intended purpose. but purely to trade the stamps(xrp) as an item of value.

please get out of the gutters and realise that xrp is not a blockchain, you cant mine it!! it is just a database coin much like amazon coin. use XRP as the transaction fee for exchanging bitcoin to fiat. and stop complaining that ripple(postal service) is making money seling stamps(xrp).

in prison people trade cigarettes to ensure they dont get raped in the shower and to pay for extra food from other prisoners. in european countries alcohol is used to get friends to do you favours. such as helping you fix a car or paint a housewall. these are not money. these are currencies. money bears the trademarked symbols of the governments using it EG £ $.

so you are right bitcoin is not money. bitcoin is:
functionally: a currency(product used in trade)
physically: an asset(a possession holding value)

bitcoin (paper wallet) is not a payment system. it is just a bunch of letters and number and a promise that those letters and numbers can be redeemed for a value they represent.

much like the serial numbers and 'promise' on a bank note

the payment system (bitcoin client/miners) is not essential to bitcoins use. as there are many off the chain methods of moving bitcoin.

we need to get a trusted service to start a calculation based on how many coins are made per day (3600) divided by the number of miners, to get an average income per day/month/year value.

and then compare that to food, commodity values. much like governments compare cost of living vs minimum wage. then we will be free from the fiat controls. if we can easily see that bitcoin is worth X loaves of bread, milk grams of gold etc.

bitcoin is not a commodity but we do need to start pricing bitcoin against commodities instead of the fiat value of commodity

not a newbie idea, this has been the case since 2011.. the only difference is now that mtgox has problems with movement of dollar. its alot harder to shift it back to BTC-E to buy in cheap again.

oh well someone is late to the arbitrage game of 2012, but atleast they think they are smart enough to have thought of it first....., a year later 

the same way the postal service can say that stamps are not a currency yet that is their method  of getting paid, by people buying stamps. then look at the profit and loss sheets of the postal services of your native country. and you will start coming to the arguments MPOE-PR is coming up with

the point is instead of using ripple as its intended use, a peer to peer exchange for bitcoins to fiat between people and exchanges like bitstamp...much like sending a cheque through a postal service, everyone is using it just to buy and sell the stamps between each other(xrp). as if the stamp/xrp is more important then the service ripple/postal service offer.

yea a postal stamp is worth a few pennys when you go buy them at a postal service. but that is not the whole point of a postal service. a postal service does not exist purely to sell postal stamps,  its just its method of getting paid for the actual service it offers

ripple does not exist purely to sell ripple, its just its method of getting paid for the actual service it offers

ripple is not selling you a product, its a service (peer to peer exchange)... xrp are only important for the transmission of the requests for bitcoin-fiat. the sooner people see that XRP is not an altcoin the better.