yep talking about the world economy "we" not a secret tribe of hackers and coders he worked with to create bitcoin

any place where multiple voices come together and try having an opinion will always have others that object. so instead of having closed communities, or voting systems that have a tiered approach of 1, is the topic even worthy of voting for 2. then voting for it. i find it alot better to just provide all the advice and assistance there is without limits and allow individuals/groups to then grab whats important to them, what bit would help them out most and then they use it within their region/ group or project.

so if i was to say lets make a mega list of businesses that accept bitcoin. id hope a few people (no master controlling powers involved) got together and made a full business listing.

so if i was to say lets make a mega list anyone thats not afraid of getting on camera that wants to be a media contact. id hope a few people (no master controlling powers involved) got together and made a full business listing.

easiest way to do it is to have a subforum here called the 'community suggestions' where the replies will be the solutions to the topic requests

most of the WORLD has been mined, Eg geographically there is not one country that has not been searching for gold. never said most of the gold.

but the point is even in the gold mining industry there are a few gold haters saying there is not much left and hating the fact that they have to use excavators to get at it instead of a bucket and spade like in the days of the wild west/victorian era. or earlier

hmm what do i have to say about http://thebitcoincard.co.uk/

the graphics on the actual website seem like teenagers attempt at photoshop. and not a template that a card issuer would accept.

their website itself seems amatuerish. not really feeling a vibe that the people behind it have thousands of pounds to credit the funds after acceptng your coin.

their webpage is not even secure . (no https)

no terms and conditions (which is a requirement card issuers have)

their whois details are of a french guy, french address but having a .co.uk website

ill now look into what trademarks they own and other such things..

i smell fish, and it aint the breath of a frenchmen.. well maybe it is

on their contacts page:
TheBitcoinCompany Ltd.

Contact

124 BAKER STREET, WESTMINSTER
LONDON
W1U 6TY
UNITED KINGDOM

thebitcoincompany ltd is not listed on companies house.

the business is not listed in that address.

the website was created only 3 weeks ago..

this fish is starting to smell rotten

its not actually bitcoin TRADING. as from what i can see using the plus500 forex platform you cant deposit bitcoin or withdraw it.

to me thats not trading.. thats placing bets against the mtgox value on a non mtgox betting site.. to put it into the most simple laymans terms.

so people using plus500 are not actually playing with bitcoin they are just using that funny money known as FIAT to gamble what will happen to mtgox prices

ill stick to the mtgox/btc-e.. i know they are nt the most secure when it comes to DDOS and hacks but atleast i know that when i press buy bitcoin button on them.. there is actually a bitcoin there to withdraw.

why doesnt someone that wants to operate vending machine have a small service where people put in pocket amount of funds in per day while taking a shower in the morning EG 0.1BTC which get pre confirmed into the service. then the funds are ready to use throughout the day

and the balance is deducted when they scan qr codes from the vending machine.

then they can expand this pocket money service to also cater to a payment gateway for starbucks, 7-11 etc..

i wouldnt call it a bank i would call it more like a prepaid service. much like how people use oyster cards in london to pay for train tickets and other things.

yep. bitcoin qt /bitcoind has RPC api calls commands. the command

verifymessage    <bitcoinaddress> <signature> <message>

will verify the message came from that bitcoin address

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_(JSON-RPC)

that link should help you get started

its not a scam. your just not the first one to have mined it. i wouldnt say your too late, im just saying your mad for not being in earlier

in 7 years time some noob will come along and say "hang on in 2009-2020 there were millions of people mining bitcoin, theres only 3 million coins left - its been premined"

same as all the gold miners in 2013 are shouting most of the world has been premined. its not the previous miners fault or the egyptian/native americans fault for being the first to find value in gold. its only the complainers fault for not being there in the early days.

so stop complaining and make one simple decision.

join the new economy known as bitcoin or stick with fiat and keep blaming others.

i think those that want answer about a satoshi pre mine are just mad they themselves were not around when bitcoins were less then a dollar, and are trying to vent their frustration some how. justifying that its not their fault for learning a couple years later but that satoshi got there first.

and for the fact that satoshi actually having the good idea known as bitcoin i personally think he deserves to be one of the wealthy elite because of it.

for everyone else that doesnt like being late to the party. there are other alt-coins.

VC's do give out money. they just don't promote it as they will have beggers knocking at their door 24/7.

ive personally (although not a millionaire) done litecoin giveaways and just gave away bitcoins and bitcents to people either because i think they deserve them or because im trying to promote bitcoin to new people.

i have printed out business cards with private keys and a website which then instructs the holders to download the qt client from the official site or use blockchain.info. to get started

but i do agree that it's

i prefer to give money to legit businesses and places that help the economy rather then a handfull of guys saying they are opening up a charity, with no charity status or no organised plan as to how to get the funds to the intended recipients.

most VC's don't make themselves known as they then get lots of private messages with peoples business plans. VC's normally stay in the background and view the plan through their own eyes and not how the beggers script it to them.

this is where you are meandering in the wrong direction.
bitcoin does not need representation, such as a CEO, leader. bitcoin needs lecturers and teachers to spread the message.

i dont want management of bitcoin, i want tutors to explain bitcoin to the layman.

representatives as you say are people that say i am the head of the bitcoin community. i wield power.

spokes people as i say are people that know what they are talking about and can help others understand.

if i want someone to speak out in congress or in parliament. then i would search ouut someone in parliament that atleast understands peoples freedoms and knows of bitcoin and has a open mind and get them to be a spokesmen.. not elect them as the leader of bitcoin incorporated.

as for the offshoots of unaccountability... forgive me for saying this. but isnt that called DECENTRALISATION. we need an information source not a leadership. pure and simple. a place to come to that can truly help people to learn about bitcoin from people that truly know what bitcoin is about that can help businesses set up API access to clients programs remotely from their website hosts. that can teach people and media the true ethos of bitcoin.

not a guy that says "i am Mr Bitcoin"

instead having a listing of guys in silicon valley that are creating business and want to help other businesses, guys in new yorks wall street that truly understand finance and exchanges, guys in asia that understand manufacturing and the supplychain that can work using bitcoin. guys in every country that have their own speciality that truly understand bitcoin.
that way there's always someone in each market, in each country that any of the community can use to be a spokesperson if a media story requiring certain topics around bitcoin to be answered. or be utilised to help expand bitcoin economy into the mainstream

not 4 special elected golden children of bitcoin with business cards saying they are CEO's and represent the nation of bitcoin, as if they are presidents of bitcoin

true

legitimise does not mean legalised. i meant that by taxing it, makes it recognised officially.

how about you start a thread that asks people what they want. obviously you want some proper spokespeople for bitcoin that have a varied opinion compared to the elite elected members of bitcoinfoundation.

so instead of starting a whole new organisation purely to get members to vote for an elite elected few spokes people. how about just ask anyone and everyone if they want to become spokes people. to show off their skills and then paste their info in the media section of this forum or even request a totally new "topc" to be made on this forum. then the whole population of this forum can see the variety themselves and grab names/videos, statements that take their fancy. and use those contacts within their own projects/ local contacts with media/own websites.

agreed exciting times. we are still in the era of the victorian/wild west where this newly created currency is only really used for whores in a saloon (cams4bitcoin) food(www.foodler.com) and general household objects(bitcoinstore).

people are still using other methods to get everything they want, so its still early before you can get everything for bitcoin.

as for when will these startups begin.

they already are. but learning from the facepalm of BFL and leaking info early such as 'mtgox litecoin' too early.. many startups are going to keep hush and develop in the background until they atleast have a final product/service to offer.

no alpha test releases. but fully functional working products/services

many people are adopting the phrase "don't do a BFL"

time scales wont be given as anything promised today may be delayed tomorrow. so yet again avoiding doing a BFL.

just enjoy the fact that your reliving the wild west/victorian era of finance.

i can imagine how the tax office would have a nightmare and actually lose revenue by legitimising bitcoin investments

referring to emboldened text: as long as the members are not part of a special breed of elite secret society that requires a large fee and a secret handshake to become a member. other wise the COMMUNITY's voice is again ignored (EG bitcoinfoundation)

forming a membership platform may weed out cloned accounts but it is always going to have a limited voice compared to the millions of users

nothing new..

what proposed is if you are sending money to friends and family like in birthday cards or donations or purchasing things at a garage sale/privately thats not taxable
same with bitcoin

but if you go to a shop, and there is sales tax involved, then yea canada wants to ensure it gets it tax revenue.

... so why do i say nothing has changed.

well if a shop has a product which has sales tax on it. the shop simply values the product with sales tax included and converts that into a bitcoin price..

once the shop sells the coins to get their dollar value, they pay the sales tax..

nothing new at all.

until wholesalers and manufacturers accept bitcoin, whereby shops would prefer to not ever again touch the dollar by purchasing stock purely in bitcoin and then reselling the stock purely in bitcoin...... thats when shops have to become creative.

but right now shops still have to cash out to FIAT to pay wages and repurchase stock.. so nothing has changed. the funny part is when they talk about the investment side.

imagine you buy $10,000 worth of bitcoins. then move it about into different wallet addresses. and then shout.. I LOST ALL MY COINS.

great you can now have it as a income tax loss and pay less tax against your other income.....

meanwhile you can easily keep your coins in cold store and only use them when you go on vacation to Jamaica and meet up with a local Jamaican you found on localbitcoins.com.

(i don't endorse such tax evasive practices nor endorse the only vacation spot should be jamaica)

get a copy of your private keys and store them separately aswell.

that way you have paper back up, digital backup aswell as the live wallet being used

easiest, fastest and most reliable.. www.bitbargain.co.uk

but not always the cheapest. it depends on how many sellers are online to create some price competition