A perfect centralized Tor-compatible web service already exists for hooking up these deals: IRC.
The right client could sit in there and make/accept automated requests to do coin swapping.
It doesn't even need to be part of the Satoshi client. It could be a standalone program that takes two wallets as input: one full of coins and one virgin wallet, call them wallets A and B.
After spending 24 hours in IRC, all the coins should end up in Wallet B, in nice even granular chunks perfectly sized for swapping.
all in wallet B after 24 hours?? better that the first person /msg the IRC bot their preferred receiving wallet addresses and gets given address A to deposit to. the second person /msg the IRC bot their preferred receiving wallet addresses and gets given B once both wallets are full and have enough confirms, the funds are send to the respective parties.. and also there would be wallet C D for another swap and E F so that it can keep up with demand while people A B are waiting for confirms before receipt. all the OP of this thread needs to do is make a IRC bot, not mess with the satoshi client |
|
|
|
|
its not a government threat, much like travellers cheques are not a threat to the Mint
the Romney tax scandal was doomed to be a non starter. asking for $1mil in bitcoins.. bitinstant wont even accept more then $10,000 a year let alone allow a $1mill one off payment.
and how else was romney going to get his hands on $1mill of bitcoins in the time period given?
if you want a conspiracy theory.. then here is one. the bitcoin dollar market cap.. you actually think that there is $150mill of fiat floating around in mtgox/bitinstants/bitpay bank accounts to guarantee the value?
imagine if there was only $1mill and everyone receiving a prepaid debit card cashed out in one go...
imagine the consequence
|
|
|
|
|
i guess butterfly havnt received the chips yet to start building asics
"we are eagerly awaiting them, as are many of you, im sure"
|
|
|
|
|
a far easier thing is to have a server set up with 2 addresses. like an escrow.
address one is displayed. someone inputs 1btc. the address then wont be shown because it contains funds.... instead
address two is displayed. someone inputs 1btc into address 2. the address now wont be displayed.
the funds of address 2 get sent to the sender of address 1. and vice versa.. all within seconds.(after x confirms lol)
now address 1 is displayed again.
rinse and repeat.
swapping currency 1BTC at a time without risking making a back door in the client. or having to negotiate deals because its a fixed amount swap.
you could also set up a script that asks for the persons clean wallet address before displaying the payment address so that the funds end up in a clean wallet.
leaving them to send their dirty coins to the escrow.. and receive the other persons coins to the clean wallet address. of course more then 2 addresses will be used to cater to more people and a confirmations delay is of standard to avoid double spend scams.. but thats as simple as a mixing service needs to be.
|
|
|
|
meeting is at 7PM (GMT) tonight the IRC channel is ##litecoin-townhall if yu don't have or wish to download an IRC program to access the town-hall chat then use this link for a web-based access to IRC http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=##litecoin-townhallhope to see many litecoin enthusiasts there, and hope you all remain upbeat and not there just to cause abuse. |
|
|
|
the name of the group has not been decided nor have the members. but the main thing is to work out what is needed to get litecoin expanded in both uses, population using it and merchant acceptance. yes its a group more aimed at the community then what bitcoin foundation is. and yes its not going to be a sheep of the bitcoin foundation. there are going to be IRC 'townhall' meetings where ANYONE can join in. and talk about the needs, desires, idea's to bring growth to litecoin. here is some more details http://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,997.0.htmlhope you all turn up (there will be chat rules to deter trolls/argumentative/abusive users so stay up beat and help expand litecoin) |
|
|
|
I suspect that after an "earth-level" EMP, bitcoins, gold, paper fiat will all become useless as currency. People will quickly revert to trade in the things they need to survive: weapons, ammunition, fresh water, food, building supplies, etc.
+1 |
|
|
|
|
are you really wasting your time waffling about personal attacks?
seriously?
i have not called you childish or immature or used any derogatory names for you. so please please i plead with all my fingers pressed on the keyboard please read the threads.
are you also arguing with people because they have checked up on you?
you should be applauding people for finding vulnerabilities in your background and not trusting people on face value.
you should be teaching everyone to be doing the same, not attacking them.
now drop the defensive status, and accept that background checks are the norm when it comes to non face to face trading. don't reply with a defensive insult about immaturity and slander (by the way, you meant liable..)
take it on the chin that some people actually do look at the information available about the person.
now lets move onto the antifraud organisation. you dont want to head it up, ok cool. even more reason not to get defensive about it.
an antifraud organisation nees to do these things
* teach people of the easy to spot flaws in peoples background checks
* understand the laws that viable businesses need to obide by.
* to know the crime prevention agencies around the world that can enforce takedown orders on websites.
* understand that prevention is better then cure. especially on an anonymous community where its hard to chase after them after the fact. (E.G stopping CPC electronics before people hand over their money)
* understand that it does not cost huge amounts to send emails to crime prevention agencies or to the companies involved
now i plead again do not reply with a defensive waffle trying to win trust. please stick to the main evidence which we have asked for
*templates/emails sent to paypal/ebay. as stated you have already made some progress.
*templates/emails to CPC electronics
*list of the skills you require of people that you want to have within the organisation to take the pressure away from you.
|
|
|
|
|
atc your latest post sounds like a proper business plan. if only your main thread started out as this.
one thing to learn about the community is when dealing with people we have never met face to face trust has to be earned and many people will do 'due diligence' checks and research the name behind the face before trading/handing money to them.
so please do not get offended by people checking your facebook. its not stalking. its just checking up on the person. its standard practice to check who you are dealing with.
and as an anti-fraud organisation it is one key thing that you need to accept and also impliment as part of your business ethos.
secondly many have also checked up on the atc enterprises inc. apart from a business that was formed in 1984 (before you were born) and dissolved in 1990. there are no other Louisiana records on state websites for your business. no yellow pages listings, no google listings. just a facebook page created on december 5th
which is another reason why those that do research people found your proposition initially flawed. due to your lack of credible background.
you might be the most honest guy alive in the world, but please take this under advisement. insulting people that do check up on you is like the opposite of what an antifraud organisation would do. they would actually appreciate people that do background checks.
wanting people to trust you just on face value of a facebook page and a photo is not a good strategy for someone opening an anti-fraud organisation.
the comments about making a reputable person accountable for the donations should definitely be implemented due to the many flaws in your background checks.
have you made a business plan about what kind of expertise you will require to aid you. and i still await the persuasive and detailed template email to paypal.
(not the personal emails about your personal victimisation you have already sent them)
settle down concentrating on donations for now. instead get the main agenda of the organisation sorted. you dont need a website for this. all you need is to request some expertise and send some emails. your day trading/ BMW M.Benz shows everyone that your not poor, so money should not be the main thing that you are repetitively trying to defend your trust over. earn your trust as a anti-fraud organisation CEO. not as a charity.
|
|
|
|
blockchain.info also has this simple api https://blockchain.info/es/api/receive?method=create&address=<your address>&anonymous=false&callback=<your calback url> it does these key things: *creates a unique payment address *informs you when you receive a payment to that address via <your callback url> *links the payment address to <your address> so that your master address receives payment once confirmation has been done all without needing a client on the server or telling blockchain any private keys |
|
|
|
|
guys just hold off.. let this thread die, and if this dude truly has some tangeable skills in fraud detection, and skills to persuade corporations lets wait for it to happen.
he like many of us all wants a better world. but from a business investment point of view, its not worth it. id advice everyone to support him with advice and tips, but not money.
this guy sets up a ATC facebook page less then a month ago. no business listings, no website.. its too obvious to even continue pointing out to the guy with his failings. i surely hope he does not reply with more waffling defences without substance.
let this thread die and let the guy spend a few weeks planning a new way to ask for donations.
hopefully he only replies again on this thread with some tangeable information. which is not simply a complaint that he got personally scammed and wants money to go on a quest to cure all the scamming ills of the world.
and heres some tips for him to work on.
email teaching paypal of the un-corruptible "proof of delivery" that is known as the blockchain
email containing data about how paypal has blocked countries due to high scams happening in those countries.
email containing a request to get a name of a customer services supervisor as the number one contact point for anything bitcoin related.
ill leave him to work out why and how this stuff would be important. just to see if he already has the knowledge and skills to work out how to approach a corporation.
|
|
|
|
create a whole bunch of addresses on a home computer that is not a server. put ONLY the public addresses into a database on the server. and use the blockexplorer or blockchain.info api's to do your balance checks. then use the home computer to sweep all the funds into your master address frequently. for you to be able to re-use those addresses ensure your server only has public addresses. do not have a bitcoin client on your server. an EPOS is meant for receiving money, not sending it. so there is no requirement to be sending funds to customers. if a transaction needed to be refunded due to customer relations issues or a problem with the product sold. then the shop manager would use their home computer/another office/customer service department computer for sending the funds. not the main servers computer. again do not have a bitcoin client on your server api's you can easily use show QR Code on html webpage <img src=" https://blockchain.info/qr?data=putaddresshere"> get the balance of an address http://blockchain.info/q/addressbalance/putaddresshere?confirmations=0 |
|
|
|
an anti fraud agency is a great idea, dont get me wrong. it is. but there is more waffle in your last post without substance, have you even contacted paypal? or cpc electronics? you spout about your atc business yet anyone can google a business and say its theirs. for a guy trying to start an anti-fraud organisation you should atleast know the fundamental things that us experienced guys look out for when weighing up trust. from the way you have worded your proposals it seems that you have simply read the scam accusations sub forum thread, seen what has most recently happened and then used that info to try acting as a white knight. gaining peoples trust. you have failed some fundamental points when doing a sales pitch i see more defence over reasons to donate. but no requests for legal advice, corporate advice, evidence that you have changed company policies or anything in progress at this moment, in the past or the future. please before replying. back away from the computer, have a cup of coffee. sit down and write out a template for a email you would send to paypal or cpc electronics. and post it here aswell as sending it to them. if you want to get the ball rolling then this is your chance. lets see your skills and strategy at work, you will win trust by showing results. not by spouting waffle. trust has to be earned not taken for granted. especially on the internet where you cant walk up to a person and slap them across the face with a wet fish. enjoy your coffee and we look forward to seeing the template. and please please please do not and i sincerely mean this, do not reply with anything that sounds like this In any case, it's no concern of yours.
|
|
|
|
|
3 failures
1) too much waffle chatter trying to convince that your not after peoples money(guilty always talk to much defending themselves)
2) the only help you require is for someone to make a website to appear transparent
3) you still have not provided evidence that you know anything of financial systems, business/corporation responsibility or any legal knowledge that you could quote to paypal to scare /persuade them into changing their policies.
an anti-fraud business would have a team of people that know how corporations act, they know business/financial laws to know when a company is in breach of their terms/conditions. and they have the PR skills to word things in a way that cant be ignored.
your posts dont read as a business plan requesting legal assistance or people with corporate knowledge to help change the world. it just reads as a guy in his 20's that has never had a business of his own to know about the facts and figures. you just seem to want to grab bitcoins the easy way.
your trying to get us to trust you. what an antifraud company would do is to show proof of work so that there is no trust needed. stop trying to grab donations from a forum, set up a website, start getting paypal to change their policies post their replies on your website and use your website to request donations.
if you cant afford $20 for a website and maybe 20 minutes a day to write a email to the paypal HQ. then you should not be trying to ask for donations for a business plan which only have those 2 requirements.
and you don't have to worry about HTML. i know 10yos that use microsoft word to drop and drag images and tables into position, add hyperlinks and then click file, save it to HTML file type. its as easy as making a newsletter/brochure.
if the community wants an anti-fraud service they want to see people with legal and corporate knowledge or asking to recruit people with that knowledge.. not someone looking to set up a website with a damn donations totaliser.
show us an email that you sent to CPC electronics asking them to take down the website. show us any contact you have made with paypal. then we may consider you as MAYBE, just maybe being worthy of starting an anti-fraud business
|
|
|
|
It costs money to buy a domain name, host a server, et cetera... and if I pay for everything out of my pocket and do it all myself there's no reason for anyone to get involved. This just goes to show how BAD scamming is in this community: you don't trust people who want to fight the scammers because you think they're the scammers (and everybody else is too)... I take that as a big confirmation that we need some change...  its more to do with the fact that in MANY countries have it so that charities cannot accept a donation until they are registered. businesses cannot trade until they are registered. and insurance companies cannot trade unless they are registered. your business plan loosely fits into all three categories. yet you request funds upfront before showing proof of work. i have invested in ESTABLISHED businesses and in businesses which show some actual assets like a website atleast and qualifications that their goals can be achieved. knowing that one man cannot change paypals terms and conditions or stop domain sellers from selling domains to scammers to create phishing sites. the chances of funding upfront is low. people are more likely to donate as a thank you for a victorious change to a companies policies. if you are unwilling to put your own money into the project, then why expect others to? a domain costs less then 2 hours of minimum wage labour. this is much like the many charities which ask for donations to change the world and only 1% of donations actually achieve anything. check out the bitcoins for goats thread as an example.. |
|
|
|
That doesn't prevent people from using hacked accounts to buy BTC. PayPal aren't going to give that money back to the account holder out of their own pocket, they're going to want it from the seller.
then paypal need to update its policy to say. "update your security. hacked accounts wont be insured." or atleast have paypal request a police report from a computer forensics lab along with a crime report. that will stop the scammers. although an anti-fraud squad is a great idea. getting companies to prevent fraud should be the number one concern, not accepting donations for victims. the OP can legally define himself as the recipient of all donations, because he is a victim of scams in the past. i dont mind donating time and brainpower to the cause. but i am not going to donate coins. good luck to the OP in your progress to get change to occur with websites policies. |
|
|
|
|
nah friecoin is just a taxed coin.. everyone mining wants to call it a big thing so they can find suckers to buy it off them before they get taxed.
how about instead of promoting yet another alt coin to the 150k crypto community. you try promoting the existent coins which are lasting the test of time (litecoin and bitcoin) to the mainstream merchants.
|
|
|
|
|
good luck with the anti-fraud concept. just be sure that others wont just set up 2 account , cargeback to themselves and then show you evidence of a chargeback to then get some free bitcoins.
the best bet is not to set up a donations pot aiming at giving funds to people that lost out, as that will get abused. but to develop relationships with paypal, and get one long term employee of theirs to understand the blockchain and use the blockchain info as 'proof of delivery'. then all sellers can contact that informed paypal contact to review the transaction information to avoid chargebacks.
|
|
|
|
|
2 options
1)influx of new users
2)a business is using blockchain as a hotwallet and created 30k random addresses
|
|
|
|
|
Show Posts
