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341  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Terrorist siege in the Philippines. on: May 27, 2017, 04:09:28 PM
I live in the Philippines and I agree with your mentioning conversion by marriage. It doesn't matter if it's the man or woman that is Muslim, it's always the kuffar that must convert. Many just do out of love. I haven't heard anything in the news where the Muslim apostatized to marry a kuffar, although I suppose that would not end well.

Even in Singapore, where the local Muslims are some of the most secular in the world, this is the rule. Almost always it is the non-Muslim who convert to Islam. I don't understand why pretty looking ethnic Chinese girls convert to some stone age ideology, just to become the third or fourth wife of some ugly and uneducated ethnic Malay guy.

Bryant,
look at it this way, then you might understand. If western secular society is good something, it is making increasing number of young people single  Wink religious fundamentalists place far greater emphasis on family, than on either career or personal well being. Thats attracrive when you are one of millions of single women in the west.



The only particular difference between muslims and other here, is that the former scoff upon inter faith marrying. I know of men aswell, who converted for the possiblity of marriage.

I live in the Philippines and I agree with your mentioning conversion by marriage. It doesn't matter if it's the man or woman that is Muslim, it's always the kuffar that must convert. Many just do out of love. I haven't heard anything in the news where the Muslim apostatized to marry a kuffar, although I suppose that would not end well.

Even in Singapore, where the local Muslims are some of the most secular in the world, this is the rule. Almost always it is the non-Muslim who convert to Islam. I don't understand why pretty looking ethnic Chinese girls convert to some stone age ideology, just to become the third or fourth wife of some ugly and uneducated ethnic Malay guy.

Haha, maybe we should ask them to teach us how to seduce girls.  Grin

These men spend much of their lives preparing to finally bone it. Go google "jelq". Yup, it's passed father to son, LOL.

Also got a relative who got boned by one, thank goodness she opted to just raise her daughter as a single mom. I think this is also one reason they prefer non-Muslim girls, they get to bone earlier without having to marry first.

Or you could get out and actually start to talk with others like normal human being  Wink Muslims or mormons are not better seducers, often treating sex in quite awkward fashion. In their mind sex and procreation is the same thing. Difference between you and religious is the commitment to the idea of family. And well most women dont seem to be so obssesed about idea of being "almost like a man", when they can find an actual man.
342  Other / Meta / Re: Teach a newbie (me) best practices about trading on this forum! on: May 26, 2017, 07:47:44 PM
Hello there!

So I posted a thread (my first thread on this forum) to buy bitcoin in the currency exchange section.
I added that the seller should send me the bitcoin first and some other requirements. Oh, boy was that a mistake. It was pointed out that my thread looked extremely suspicious, to say the least, so I changed it. Now I would only use an escrow...
even from this description it sounds like scam, other than that, you have new account, no trust whatoever :/

Anyways. I have been trading on other forums before, but not bitcoin.
Could you tell me about the best practices when trading bitcoin on this forum?
Forum is not suited for exchanging bitcoin, escrow is only real possibility of fair trade.

How can I ensure maximum possible safety for both myself and the seller?
Good escrow, nothing else.

He can gain trust fairly quickly, if he goes to goods section and makes several trades and/or lends bitcoin with interest.

Otherwise, you are right. With the amount of scammers that came and left this place, it will be close to impossible to gain trust for new user unless he backs his words with collateral.

Good luck OP.
343  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 25, 2017, 07:58:05 PM
Not just Bitcoin that's falling, most crypto is losing value right now. Interesting since most of the time when a situation like this happens, since it's usually those alts going up. Once we reach the bottom it'd likely be a good time to buy.

Not at all, because we are in bubble just entering parabolic stage. Not "most of the time" situation  Smiley

In 2013, alts after massive growth crashed in reaction to bitcoin correction. Then whales poured all their cash to Bitcoin in anticipation of final wave 5. It came and it was glorious.
344  Other / Politics & Society / Re: World War 3 on: May 25, 2017, 02:42:13 PM
I think more casualties compared to the last wars would happen here.

No. I think that the opposite is going to happen. Back then in the 1940s, the life expectancy was quite low, and the couples were having 7-8 children each. So even if someone died as a soldier, few people cared. But that is not the situation now.

This is largely untrue. Postmodernism, existencionalism and other movements, that see war akin to apocalypse have roots in previous world wars, that bled Europe dry.

Pre-war Europe was not backwards place but epicenter of the progress with demographics and life expectancy comparable to second world countries (such as Turkey or Mexico) today.

So, I have to disagree this time, Sithara. People care immensely, to the point, that it turned world history upside down.



I still think, that talking about nuclear war is pointless as it would turn northern hemisphere into large moon crater one way or the another. Limited conventional warfare is pointless also as no major power is capable at this time to permanently subdue all its opponents. Not even United States has the power to win conventional war against everybody else - and no reason to attempt it either.

So, we will see many local wars where different cultures clash. Power balance will continue to shift, but no global war is on horizon. Because no major players could either justify the costs or hope, that the victory lasts.
345  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: May 25, 2017, 03:12:22 AM
Religion is poison. They are reasoned by books that have no evidence or witness. and i don't know if there are any cure

And mostly the religion of atheism. They trust blindly in science to keep them alive, but there is no evidence that science can do this.

Cool

Kirch speaks like dirty communist from USSR.

Perhaps he could tell us what point of life there is without any faith at all. Communists more often than not become nihilists aswell taking pleasure at making life of others living hell.

Every single civilization in history had culture, that was shaped by moral compass in form of religion. Now, these retards want to repeat mistakes of man killed by syphilis over 90 years ago. Is west really so decadent?
346  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: May 25, 2017, 03:03:10 AM
Gun control must implemented and ristricted to other even they will get license to carry a gun this can be avoid terrorism on each country to avoid accident too and killing without acceptable reasons nowadays people can kill people like animals.

We need to start with the right education in childhood, and not with a license. After all, there is no guarantee that a person can be balanced in any situation and not have fun with weapons.

Actually, I do agree with you here. Children are most receptive to values of society and their parents, not young adults.

Noctis Connor is extremely misguided as gun is merely tool. In Germany it is quite hard to get gun legally... guess, what terrorist does? Hijacks truck, kills driver with knife and points said trunk to nearest large group of people. Shall we implement "car control" aswell? What abou "stone control" for that matter?

So indeed, the men are perpetrators, we cant eradicate mental illness from everybody and we also cant ban absolutely every single tool, that can be used for killing, that is not possible, but we can instill better values into children growing up in the country.
347  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Terrorist siege in the Philippines. on: May 25, 2017, 02:27:07 AM
I pity these guys once Duterte gets to work with them. This actually plays perfectly for him, now he can take town their whole organization and raise even more support from the public. It almost sounds a bit too good to be true, like maybe it's something staged like the coup in Turkey.

You have weird information. Every single coup is staged by nature. The one Turkey by Gülenists cooperating with United States. For some reason, though, administration was warned well ahead, either by insiders or by some third power.

Conflict with islamists in Phillipines to my knowledge goes back to atleast 18th century and perhaps earlier as the Moro people of south, who accepted islam are fiercely independent folk. I would certainly welcome, if natives could enlighten us on inner workings. Western media are almost criminally vague, when it comes to local customs and ongoing news.
348  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What could be the assumption if scientist cant explain some issues on: May 24, 2017, 03:58:53 PM
Because science still rejects the esoteric sphere without which it is impossible to obtain exact answers to all questions. It is necessary to constantly develop in all aspects and in due course it will be possible to receive answers to all questions.

No, you obviously dont know what the hell are you talking about.

Even mathematics is based around theorems called axioms. Those are not to be questioned and everything is build around them. They merely "exist" without explanation.

Your insight is incredibly low, if you believe (yes, it believing, not reasoning), that you will somehow "get" moral implications of natural phenomena the moment you can explain it through numbers. Alas, these days people have more information than ever, yet they are not any wiser, since with freedom many lost any pretense of humility and prudence.

349  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Terrorist siege in the Philippines. on: May 24, 2017, 03:24:45 PM
They are not ISIS they are just attention seeker they want to get the attention of international group called "ISIS" to have fund to their activities they are the Maute groups the one who plant a bomb on night market davao hoping that after the declaration president duterte will force all his trops to kills those animals who killed 9 christians already.

Well, why not kill them all then?

Both bible and quran prescript capital punishment for premediated murder (this case) and Duterte, unlike western puppets seems to be strong enough man to carry out justice in this regard.

Remember, from the point of natural law, it doesnt matter what murderer seeks or wants to prove. What matters is that he is held accountible for his crimes against humanity, nature and God.

Can you source more information for us, non-Phillipinos, please?
350  Other / Politics & Society / Re: OBAMA is the best President in the world on: May 24, 2017, 02:28:49 PM
Cute to see you find your God. Now, please tell us, why are you addressing him your personal love letter via this forum, friend? He is unlikely to read it like this.

I thought at first you wanted to open discussion about fallout of policies Obama pushed through, but then noticed lack of any question marks in your post. Fine, so, why are you here and not thanking him for salvating your soul directly? We have nothing to do with it. Honest! Its all on him.

God bless you.
351  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin for $5000? on: May 24, 2017, 02:20:34 PM
at this rates it's not so out of qustion to think that 5k might be possible to reach, within this year, but the question is does it hold at that level or return back? a value that can't hold there and it's not stable it's not a good value

not sure if this increase is genuine or manipulated like many other we had in the past, need to wait and see the outcome, but really it's all about the adoption and block issue at this point, if either of these two get "fixed" you have a big value coming for sure

It always corrects  Wink not to 162 USD per bitcoin like the last time we saw massive correction, but it will correct.

How do you feel. Will we see $5000 price per 1 bitcoin in this year?

my feeling says no, it is not possible.
but my logic says it is possible but very hard and also hopes it doesn't happen!
because if you think about it a rise to $5000 in such a short period of time is actually pretty scary and that would be a real bubble. that is a 400% rise in this year and it can cause a very long bear market.

Depends on your definition of bear market. We went from around 15 to 260 between 2012 and 2013. Then we saw six months of consolidation before propelling to 1100 from the starting base at 90. Yes, it is bubble - but also merely another local peak before long consolidation. I doubt bitcoin will enter true depression before testing 10 000 dollars per bitcoin first. Perhaps as soon as next year.
352  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is taxation theft? on: May 23, 2017, 11:46:05 AM

You make great comparison with communism - Ive lived through it.

You know where that lead to? Very, very small group of people (politbyro, but you can call them papacy aswell), who knew each other held responsibility for redistribution of wealth (social justice, but could be called salvation) in the name of the state (god).

These men were very close to historical definition of demi gods. Tasked to administer collective means of production and development, since private property was not really an option. At different time periods taking or protecting lives seemingly at whim.

Democracy, that westerners taky for granted is quite fragile thing, tied intimately to the relationship between means of production and its owners. Take common men out of this equation and their role in the political system will diminish aswell. You are right, you would be probadly well fed and clothed in such system (as it will be obligation of upper class in such social contract), however ultimately you would lead a life of pet in a nice cage.

I am not forcing this view on you, just sharing my experience and perhaps hoping it will make you think.



THAT IS WHERE THE ANSWER LIES!

The problem is in fact what you've lived through and what USSR knew has never been communism. Yeah we called that communism but it was not. It was a simple and plain oligarchy with a group of people having all the powers.

But you'll tell me, it can only become this. Socialism and communism can only lead to that as the state will take more and more and "redistribute"... But only a few people will decide how it is redistributed!

WELL NO!
There is a solution now! Direct democracy.
Imagine this: a country with high taxation where the people rather than elected a king for a few years who will decide everything, people actually vote directly the laws and the budget.
Then there is no politbyro as you say. Because we all give and all decide equally.

That can sounds as an utopia but... Technologically it's fairly easy to do. What is really opposing that?

Cracked5, I have personal experience in communal politics - which is direct democracy, was so even in USSR era. And every time, even on the communal level the decision process was hijacked by one, two or atmost five people through charismatic individual or backing of some shady baron. Essentially turning rest of the people into good looking bystanders. That goes for "new parties" like Pirates aswell.

But dont believe me, rather let me show you something.

This is number of bill and laws introduced by US congress. Every single of those has A LOT of text and interdependancy on already existing rules. You want to force population to vote informatively on every single one of them yes?



This is only the fraction of bills that are actually passed on into legislature. It would be far more in case of failed projects. Your solution to natural centralization of power is therefore to let every single citizen vote on three laws per day? Ive seen that in Pirate party. Less than third was active, usually divided into two camps - increasingly radical, marginalized opposition and ever vigilant group concentrated around charismatic leader - hilariously the two camps did not define themselves by any ideology anymore, but by personal feelings towards elected leader. Average Joes barely able to atleast read through all the instristically written text focused on giving one particular agency leverage over the others.

I hope, I wont offend you, thats why I am not here. But you are not offering something new, it was all tried before. Even by bolsheviks in Russia before all the terror started. Dont take my word for it. Look it up.

Unlike what you believe - it was communism. Private ownership was all but abolished and all means of production were controlled by elected individuals (and eventually tightly knit clans, Game of Thrones style). The rest was direct result of it, not vice versa.

If you were religious (I know you are not), youd by now undestand, that there is no such thing as perfect system, as it would deny the very nature of human existence. System that would duke out moral battles for individuals, would also deprive them of their humanity, which I saw with my own eyes in my youth.

If you want to know what direct democracy with everybody equal means, forget bitcoin for just one minute and google "Lord of flies".
353  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is taxation theft? on: May 23, 2017, 11:30:43 AM
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Lol, massive debt I agree on that one even though it's easily explanable by both the euro and the young population, but third word security? Seriously? xD

Well, yes. Just couple of days ago, there was yet another demonstration in the center of Paris. Working class women are hunted like prey in the streets, while still giving away half of their income to the state in exchange for empty promises. There is something... evil about system like that.

https://heatst.com/world/women-in-paris-protest-against-immigrant-men-sexually-harassing-them/

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I... am. Not all of course but a good part of my profit goes in taxes, that's normal and fair, even though I'd love to be able to control more where the money goes that's for sure.

Precisely! You took all the risks, you and only you will be held accountable for failure of the enterprise. So it is not just just but also completely natural, that you and nobody else should decide where profit goes. You can make compromises, but you stopped being slave at plantation of someone else the moment you took full responsiblity for the future of bussiness.


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And what do we do when people who earn lots of money refuse to help?

The problem here you see is the fact that state invest in people.
I'll take my own example:
I'm from a rather poor family (not desperate but not middle class either) and I've made top notch scientific studies and am now an engineer who earns more in a month than both his parents combined. The fact is that yeah sure I became like this thanks to hard working, years of studies and my own skills. But not only.
I should not forget that I was able to do all this also because education is not only free but you're also helped by the state which pays you an appartment and food when you study and you're from a poor family. I should not forget that when my mother in law had a cancer, state paid for her cure during the whole year and paid here a part of her salary.

Sure hardworking is important and goodwill is better. But now suppose we "let the choice" to people as you say, and I chose to refuse to pay because I don't see the support the State gave me but I only see my own work and my years of struggle and I decide that people should just "work more". Then the virtuous circle is broken :/

Thats the point of contention and we can discuss it. But lets not pretend its completely normal for the system to take everything and (as shown on the example of Paris above) give back nothing. Taxation and redistribution of any wealth should be constantly re-negationed. State is our tool, not vice versa.
354  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Floriduh Skinhead Converts to Islam, launches Jihad on: May 23, 2017, 11:19:02 AM
People converting to any other religion does not create problems. I have seen guys who had recently converted to religions such as Buddhism, Judaism and even atheism. But they are normal people. Only individuals who convert to Islam create issues.

That is a racist view. These comments sparks rage then to many Islam believers and some of them go and make extreme acts. How can you say Buddhism is even a religion, it's just a guy who just copied 10 amendements from the Bible lol. Many other people are converting to Islam and not creating issues also. The people who create issues are the ones who are indoctrinated with the extremists group ideology of radical Islam like ISIS. Same as extremists in any other religion who create issues.

Calm your white horse, Mr. Knight. Islam is not a race. It is a religion with its own complete value system.

Now, every population of planet. Every single one. Produces something like 5-10% of its people with violent tendencies, the dumb ones usually fill up prisons, while the smart ones enter politics. This happens thanks to human nature, not any religion (or lack of it).

Now, where religion (moral compass) comes into play is - how can it tune energy of these individuals. For you, violence might be bad, however from historical perspective it is the very reason humanity was able to survive its infancy.

So it is about Islam aswell as human nature. Can Islam focus energy of its most proactive more productively, perhaps turning them to sports? I have no idea. But lets not cowardly pretend, that these are isolated incidents.
355  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is taxation theft? on: May 23, 2017, 10:59:54 AM
A couple years ago, I heard that the cost of eliminating world hunger was $30 billion a year.  US "defense" spending is at $700 billion currently I believe.  And lol @ using the word defense, when it none of it takes place on US soil...everything is initiating offence on foreign soil.

Not sure how many people aren't getting adequate food and water, but one year without making guns, bombs, tanks and fighter jets...would give approximately 23 years of food and clean water...and probably a sustainable infrastructure that could provide it for even longer (water filtration + farming infrastructure).  But who needs that when you have the mother of all bombs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_bin_Awad_bin_Laden
This man fathered a total of 56 children by 22 wives. Who's going to feed all those beautiful babies?

What if you were one of those babies?

Possibly the same resources that are being invested into building a bomb?  I'm not going to defend that man in anyway though...and maybe the point is many would take advantage of the handouts given...which I agree with.

But with technological advancement, at the end of the day...machines or robots will be doing more and more work which will replace human labour and income.  The world will have to go in a socialist direction because of this anyways, or you will have to deal with a massive population that cannot support themselves, which will make the aggregate standard of living lower.  How happy will you be as a wealthy person getting into your ferrari when there are 10 people starving outside your front door?

You make a valid point with ever increasing population being essentially fed by ever decreasing group of people.

However, keep in mind, that the actual work is not done by robots. But by those behind them. Capital holders (owners), technicians, engineers etc... robots are merely muscles.

If you insists on the notion - very noble notion, that this small group is obliged to feed the inactive rest, how are you going to compensate those pillars of humanity? Lets cut the BS and talk actual bussiness. What will the rest of humanity gives in return for being caretaken by minority of dedicated specialists and share holders slaving away for its welfare?

You cant offer them immortal salvation, only faith in God can do that. So what then?

Interesting.

There is a human component to build the robot and program it to function in a certain way.  But the human component is decreasing.  You already have robots that make robots, programmed by human.  But AI will likely be here this century, which would mean there doesn't need to be any human input at all.  You don't need to pay robots, they don't need breaks or holidays...so they generate value that can either go to the owners (like in our current economic system), or to be for the benefit of civilization, or a combination of both.

I don't insist on that notion of obligation, but I feel like humanity will likely move in that direction.  The old and present model of being paid money for hours of human labour...I feel will need to change with automation.  Think of taxi drivers and alternative paid transportation like uber...imagine how it will be affected by driverless cars with autopilot and gps.  There are many other industries that will get affected similarly and those jobs will go away over time.  It's even in the best interest of rich people, to have a middle class.  If it's only super rich and poor, then it can become unsafe for a rich person.

Look at Elon Musk for example...he is voluntarily trying to make a positive impact on the environment through sustainable energy (solar), battery storage and electric cars.  I think there will be more people that take that model of work, where they are super smart, understand how to acquire huge resources, and the use those resources to innovate technology that will help humanity as a whole, even though it is for profit...the impact is positive.

But in terms of what will humanity do in return for having their basic needs provided...I'm not sure.  Society would be very different if the extreme struggle associated with fulfilling basic needs was completely removed.  I think people would be two ways to go.  The lazy people can just chill, and be content.  And others would follow their passions, which may result in some type of mastery and contribution back to society.  Personally, if that was the way society was at the moment, and my basic needs were taken care of, I would follow my passions and dedicate myself to get as good as I could possibly get.  And maybe if I get good enough, I can produce a good or service that people would enjoy.  Actually sounds like a communist approach...but a very technologically advanced execution lol.


You make great comparison with communism - Ive lived through it.

You know where that lead to? Very, very small group of people (politbyro, but you can call them papacy aswell), who knew each other held responsibility for redistribution of wealth (social justice, but could be called salvation) in the name of the state (god). It is called democratic centralism and is still practiced by Peoples republic of China.

These men were very close to historical definition of demi gods. Tasked to administer collective means of production and development, since private property was not really an option. At different time periods taking or protecting lives seemingly at whim.

Democracy, that westerners taky for granted is quite fragile thing, tied intimately to the relationship between means of production and its owners. Take common men out of this equation and their role in the political system will diminish aswell. You are right, you would be probadly well fed and clothed in such system (as it will be obligation of upper class in such social contract), however ultimately you would lead a life of pet in a nice cage.

I am not forcing this view on you, just sharing my experience and perhaps hoping it will make you think.

356  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Duterte's promise to get rid of drugs 29 days left on: May 23, 2017, 10:48:20 AM
Duterte promise to the solve illegal drugs activity in 3-6 months. Can he fullfill his promise? Can he do it in this short period of time. I hope he will be successful at the end of the day. Life must go on. So live our life to the fullest. Its Philippines time so we can work together to change the Philippines for the better country.

The dead line is symbolic signal for the population, that the administration wont cut any corners in combating drug barons. System, that completely eradicates crime is impossible, as it would deny free will to it citizens, depriving them of humanity.

So there, it is symbolic.

With that said, Dutertes policies apparantly brought long awaited results.

    Reduction in index crime: 28.57%
    July 2015 to March 2016: 134,958
    July 2016 to March 2017: 96,398
    Reduction in drug market: 26.45%

Source is Philippine Information Agency.
357  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are rich countries rich and poor countries poor? on: May 23, 2017, 10:38:07 AM
I'll try to keep to the OP, since it seem to be leaning on geopolitics rather than actual governance.

Has anyone here played CiV? In that game each Civ usually have a start bias which determine what environment they will spawn in. (Usually in keeping with the historical Civ, Arabia starts on deserts, Russia near tundra, etc).

That's pretty much how I see real life Civs. You are spawned somewhere and unlike in a game, you don't have the option to restart. You basically just use whatever resources you have and adapt to your environment. You of course have a way to change what is currently being practiced but your start would have a big impact on your future. For example, if the only available renewable energy technology is solar and you live in a place that is either too cloudy or snowy for the rest of the year, you wouldn't be able to use that.

Environmental determination (or racism according to SJWs)? That certainly plays a role, sure. But it doesnt explain everything by and of itself. You mentioned Civilization series (great by the way), so you should be fully aware, that starting location is but one of many variables in the game. Player (aka work ethics) can be another, reflecting that even in the same environment some people perform better than others.

"A people’s religion, their faith, creates their culture, and their culture creates their civilization." - Buchanan

Thats quite difficult to simulate properly in a videogame, the relationship between faith and actual value system of the people. So thats where player comes as literal deus ex machina.
358  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is taxation theft? on: May 22, 2017, 10:57:18 PM
A couple years ago, I heard that the cost of eliminating world hunger was $30 billion a year.  US "defense" spending is at $700 billion currently I believe.  And lol @ using the word defense, when it none of it takes place on US soil...everything is initiating offence on foreign soil.

Not sure how many people aren't getting adequate food and water, but one year without making guns, bombs, tanks and fighter jets...would give approximately 23 years of food and clean water...and probably a sustainable infrastructure that could provide it for even longer (water filtration + farming infrastructure).  But who needs that when you have the mother of all bombs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_bin_Awad_bin_Laden
This man fathered a total of 56 children by 22 wives. Who's going to feed all those beautiful babies?

What if you were one of those babies?

Possibly the same resources that are being invested into building a bomb?  I'm not going to defend that man in anyway though...and maybe the point is many would take advantage of the handouts given...which I agree with.

But with technological advancement, at the end of the day...machines or robots will be doing more and more work which will replace human labour and income.  The world will have to go in a socialist direction because of this anyways, or you will have to deal with a massive population that cannot support themselves, which will make the aggregate standard of living lower.  How happy will you be as a wealthy person getting into your ferrari when there are 10 people starving outside your front door?

You make a valid point with ever increasing population being essentially fed by ever decreasing group of people.

However, keep in mind, that the actual work is not done by robots. But by those behind them. Capital holders (owners), technicians, engineers etc... robots are merely muscles.

If you insists on the notion - very noble notion, that this small group is obliged to feed the inactive rest, how are you going to compensate those pillars of humanity? Lets cut the BS and talk actual bussiness. What will the rest of humanity gives in return for being caretaken by minority of dedicated specialists and share holders slaving away for its welfare?

You cant offer them immortal salvation, only faith in God can do that. So what then?
359  Economy / Speculation / Re: When will BTC be at $5,000? on: May 22, 2017, 08:58:48 PM
This is just my own simple assessment. Around August we should be at least $2500 and we will end 2017 at $3000 or even more. 2018 crypto market will continue to grow but I doubt we can reach $5000 right there. So maybe by 2019 we are at $5000. But who knows. Maybe by 2020 we are already at $10,000 per bitcoin as the supply is getting scarce.

The way parabolic bubbles work, we can very easily see testing of 4000 USD per bitcoin next month. The resistance there could be too much and cause significant correction (spanning 6+ months), but with that said 10 000 USD per bitcoin will be in game far sooner than 2020, sir  Wink

Unless, some alt replace bitcoin as virtual gold (wealth retention), which I find extremely unlike in medium term. Even ETH is unfit for that, perhaps monero in couple of years. But not now.

Testing 8-10k might be on the table as soon as next year unless something catastrophic happens.
360  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are rich countries rich and poor countries poor? on: May 22, 2017, 06:21:18 PM
There are several problems:
- corruption
- low GNP
- low innovation index
- low competitiveness
- lack of resources
- labor without qualification
- high debt / inflation
- geopolitical situation

but those are the stamp phrases..


Good list. But you gave example above (eastern bloc), that it can be largely reversed. East Asia is another good example, its GNI used to be lower than Africas back in 1940´.

So the question is: Where lies the tipping point?

Is it work culture? Inherent IQ of natives? Religion/Ethos that forms aforementioned values and also work culture? Resources?

Or combination of all of the above?

From our point of view - couple of centuries ago, everybody but top 1% were dirt poor everywhere. Some nations were able to elevate themselves far above and beyond that within several generations, also bringing technology and modern politics to other civlizations via cultural exchange. Others catched up later or stayed poor.

Max Weber, german sociologist (and author of well known vocabulary) tried to pin point "why" the West and not anybody else, but he might also not see entire picture, hard to tell.

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