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421  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What they are earning? on: May 17, 2017, 10:42:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijy7Isq-Ks0

Chinese business for fake views and "Like" on weibo.com
Most Chinese goods are not good quality actually, all they just need is to earn they don't care
About the concern and feelings of their customers as well.

Actually that's not exactly the case anymore as everyone are now striving to make trash that breaks easily so you have to replace it. There are also the goods from Turkey for example which are often much below the quality standards of the Chinese.

However I've heard that China has outsourced some of it's manufacturing capabilities to Africa, so that would explain abysmal quality in some of their stuff.
In China there are different trade as it is in Turkey too. There is an official production and is a cottage industry. For me it is a different China. Let me remind you that the official iPhones in General produced only in China. And there are black iPhones are only superficially similar, and inside the shit.

There was already a demand for that "shit". Like a ton of westerners, who want something shiny and brandy, but dont want to pay for it  Wink Chinese merely complied with that demand.

On a side note, Ive read that Chinese these days are investing in eastern Europe (like Poland) and south Asia (primarily Vietnam) for outsourcing. Average salary along the shores of the country already passed 1000 dollar mark so it is apparently cheaper to start production in either developing countries as Vietnam or even move the production to Europe to by pass local import taxes.
422  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why There's No Shootings In The US Anymore? on: May 17, 2017, 10:34:26 AM
It seems like all those mass shootings in the US have stopped for now. Maybe it's because Obama is no longer there ordering them?

What's your opinion?

Cyber police might do better job these days, since most of these killers leave abudant evidence on internet well before any attack.

Also, gun violence as a whole has been going down for years in United States and other countries where permits are legal. Its not even about gun control laws.



423  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are rich countries rich and poor countries poor? on: May 17, 2017, 10:26:26 AM
I'm not very religious but we a have proverb here in my country, "to God, mercy; to man, action". Sitting on the largest lump of gold, diamond, or oil will not do anything if you don't work and manage it properly. Now the question is, how did some countries got to develop and benefit greatly from their resources (for example, KSA and its oil) while others didn't (example, Venezuela)?

There are a lot of examples for countries which became rich thanks to their natural resources. But definitely Saudi Arabia is not one of them. There is a lot of wealth in that country, but the distribution of wealth is very uneven. There are a lot of poor people in Saudi Arabia.

Precisely. Gulf States usually have relatively small aristocratic class on top, who have jobs in public sector created for them. Real work is done by foreign specialists and slave labourers from Asia and Africa. When you realize that all those vast natural resources are all used up by couple of hundred of thousands individuals it makes sense.

424  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: May 17, 2017, 10:19:24 AM

Thanks Criptyx.

Simple explanation of a complex theory.

But people saying evolution is a hoax are not able to process any cognitive thought. Don't lose too much time with them.

Yes we evolutionists are very intelligent and better people than others. We don't need to even discuss about anything because we already won.
This level of argumentation is a sign of real intelligence, unlike looking for evidence.

Did you notice how argumentation of some of these of atheists resemble that of muslims? I hope insecurity about their "beliefs" wont lead to more concentration camps.

Not like it would be the first or second time.


Thanks Criptyx.

Simple explanation of a complex theory.

But people saying evolution is a hoax are not able to process any cognitive thought. Don't lose too much time with them.

Yes we evolutionists are very intelligent and better people than others. We don't need to even discuss about anything because we already won.
This level of argumentation is a sign of real intelligence, unlike looking for evidence.

Dude... I mean what do you want to discuss here?
You don't believe in evolution? Well, GREAT NEWS EVERYONE! Evolution is NOT a theory, it's a proven fact so you can believe or not believe and nobody gives a shit because it's still here.

You want to deny reality? Fine do it. Just don't expect us to follow you.

If you want to discuss facts and science then we can discuss but I don't really see where there is ANY doubt or shady area in the evolution explanation...

You actually havent addressed any questions, that were raised since page one. Just more confirmation bias.
425  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Dinosaur asteroid hit 'worst possible place' on: May 17, 2017, 04:00:25 AM
The "worst" is subjective here. Extinction of then dominant species provided plenty room for further devolpment of life on Earth. Mammals that inherited Earth have by nature significantly larger brain to body mass ratio, than lizards.

And well, here we are. So it wasnt "worst" from my point of view.
426  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 17, 2017, 03:48:48 AM
What's going on bitstamp?
Why this spread??
A few minutes ago spread got over 40 $!!!


It's not called Bearstamp for nothing.

It might be the only major western exchange that is not completely owned by insiders.

I wouldnt discount its influence.
427  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people believe in religion? on: May 17, 2017, 03:20:49 AM
There are many religious people on earth. Even the vast majority of the world believes in monotheistic religions.
And often they do not question belief systems. There are many people who have Christian, Muslim and Jewish beliefs.

Why do they still believe in religion. I can not understand why people believe in religions in the age when we can reach the information so quickly.

Its because they are programmed since birth by their parents.

Just as you were programmed to believe by your parents to be an animal with oversized brain for its body mass?

I grew up in an atheist family, in postcommunist, industrialized country. And I found my way to a God.

A people’s religion, their faith, creates their culture, and their culture creates their civilization. And when faith dies, the culture dies, the civilization dies, and the people begin to die.
428  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 17, 2017, 03:09:06 AM
So far it unfolds very much like 2013 bubble did. Altcoins shortly making boosts during bitcoin correction - then more growth (wave 5?) for Bitcoin.

Quite exciting and eventful year for all of us.
429  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are rich countries rich and poor countries poor? on: May 17, 2017, 12:54:21 AM
No. Look at China, Indonesia, Phillipines. Look at resurgent Iran and Turkey and Brazil. Accumulation of wealth takes time and dedication, but its not impossible. Likewise, rich wont stay rich, if they take it for granted.

I live in the Philippines and yes it is a VERY slow crawl up. In the news you either see its drug war or the growing economy. Very little of that wealth actually trickles down and it'd take a few more decades for policy changes to show their effects. For example, the additional 2 years in high school that would be devoted to a technical specialization would not make its effects know until all those kids graduated.

Depends on their government. Some are rich because of capitalist policies or have good natural resources. Some are poor because of poor management of the economy by their governments.

If the government is not interested in the welfare of its own citizens, then nothing can be done. Look at the African nations such as Gabon and Equatorial Guinea. These countries are very poor, despite the huge petroleum deposits.  


I'm not very religious but we a have proverb here in my country, "to God, mercy; to man, action". Sitting on the largest lump of gold, diamond, or oil will not do anything if you don't work and manage it properly. Now the question is, how did some countries got to develop and benefit greatly from their resources (for example, KSA and its oil) while others didn't (example, Venezuela)?

Hi, I just want to let you know, that I absolutely, utterly love "moro armor" that blacksmiths in your country used to produce. Perfect convergence of aesthetics and practicality.

Now, on to the economics.

I belive, that your countrys turbulent history has alot to do with it. From what I could read up on it, unlike say Koreans or Japanese, various people of the islands were only united farly late during colonial period with major help from jezuits and european guns.

Now, what makes a country? Common language, culture (usually, but not always shaped by religion), shared history and values. Otherwise, you end up with privately run corporation with its people as slaves.

To amend differences between various, formerly independent tribes and make progressive changes, you need A LOT of time. Something only crazy people and religous freaks are capable of. Is Duterte man like that? Long term, I see no reason why your country wouldnt catch up with southern Europe or say Taiwan. IF it can resolve its internal friction.

Venezuela is specific in the fact, that it tried to take a shortcut. Forsake development of its civil society in favor of "leap forwards" as Chinese communists used to say. This never works out as state controlled development of every single aspect of citizens life undermines private enterprise and stumps their development. Once the regime falls, its people will have to start all over again. Like Russians or Ukrainians in 1990.
430  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: May 16, 2017, 11:22:54 AM
What credible alternative to evolution is there?  Can't really go with the 'Adam and Eve' tale.  

"Yeah, the human race arose from a man and a woman, created by God, who went on to have two Sons".

And then what?  The Human race ended there?  Or did one of the Sons have intercourse with his Mother, being the only woman on earth at the time?  Then the same again after Noah's Ark.  Noah and his Wife had kids, who must have committed acts of incest to perpetuate the species since everyone else supposedly drowned.

You can believe you're the result of incestuous inbreeding if you like, there's probably some truth to it for a few of you.  


The point is, we don't know by examining the earth and life, how life came about. The best that we have is credible ancient, historical records from people who were recognized as credible by other people of their day.

The Bible is by far the strongest of these records. My numbers might not be quite accurate here, but there are in the range of 25,000 hand written copies of the ancient Bible. These copies pretty much match each other for accuracy. And, they match the hand written copies from around 500 years ago when the printing press came into being.

There is no other book that comes close to this, in numbers of copies, and in credibility of authors as held by their various contemporaries.

So what?!, right? The Bible is the best record of things in ancient history that we have. And the nation through whom the Bible came, still exists today as an active and powerful nation... Israel.

There is something powerful and virtually impossible going on with the Bible. And we are alive to be able to look at this power, and handle it with our hands, and read it with our eyes and minds.

There is nothing else that even comes close to the strength and miraculousness of the Bible, either in ancient knowledge, or in modern knowledge.

Ancient folklore/mythology != Ancient historical records

Especially folklore/mythology involving so much inbreeding.  Again, no thanks.  The Bible is merely a collection of fables, aiming to teach the decidedly archaic moral code of the time, that some people, for reasons beyond anyone's comprehension, choose to take literally in the modern day.  There are plenty of copies of 'Harry Potter', but in another 3500 years, people (hopefully) won't be stupid enough to take it as some sort of historical record.  Just because they lacked the technology to mass produce Bibles and had to copy them by hand, that fact alone doesn't lend any additional credibility to the mythos contained therein.

Actually, after Toba catastrophe theory, entire human race supposedly collapsed to between 3 to 10 thousand individuals (including children, elderly and infertile). This repeated itself as various continents around the world were settled by very small groups of paleolithic survivors (about 1000 for Americas) So we are all likely product of incest regardless, if you lack abstractive thinking to understand Bible, sir.
431  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are rich countries rich and poor countries poor? on: May 16, 2017, 10:11:44 AM
The current economic situation, third world countries cannot compete with developed countries. In sports there is the concept of odds. Now the world economy is now a handicap in the countries number 1 and they will never allow development and creating competition for themselves in third world countries.

No. Look at China, Indonesia, Phillipines. Look at resurgent Iran and Turkey and Brazil. Accumulation of wealth takes time and dedication, but its not impossible. Likewise, rich wont stay rich, if they take it for granted.

Easy to answer: Because the rich countrie's people are brave, have intelect and values to choose their leaders and will fight for their rights if necessary.

Poor countries have weak people, acting like mercenaries for any money, unable to think bigger, to think for the common convenience (thinking only in themselves). This results in corrupt leaders, dirty cities, misery and chaos.
Let's argue for a bit. Do you believe a country is rich, because its citizens are brave and smart?
Compare some of the richest Arab countries like UAE and Kuwait to Some poorer ones like Algeria. All of them are in the Arab league, all of them have vast natural resources mainly oil and natural gas, all are inhabited by people of similar culture and religion. Does the difference in wealth really come from the weakness of the people?
Is that why in one of them people drive ferraris and in the other they rarely drive cars at all?

What kind of people in UAE and Kuwait drive ferraris?  Wink Really, look it up. Those city states are ruled by small enclave of locals, who inherited all the resources. They are surrounded by slave labourers from places like Pakistan and Somalia. Algeria by comparison is country without slave labour but also many resources, that Gulf Arabs take for granted. Therefore structure of their economy is different.

You can see similar differences between anglospheric countries, who also share culture but adapted to different conditions.

Easy to answer: Because the rich countrie's people are brave, have intelect and values to choose their leaders and will fight for their rights if necessary.

Poor countries have weak people, acting like mercenaries for any money, unable to think bigger, to think for the common convenience (thinking only in themselves). This results in corrupt leaders, dirty cities, misery and chaos.

Another important factor is demographics. In rich countries like Japan and Germany, the couples normally have only one or two children. But in the developed world (especially South Asia and Sub Saharan Africa), they produce children in the dozens.

Yes, I don't understand why people have dozens of children if they don't have conditions to give a decent life to them, it's a bit of ignorance and fear to don't have who take care of them when they reach to the oldest age. If poor people had only one or two children they could have a more confortable life and give more attention to their children, educating them, teaching them, playing with them...

Most of the poor countries tend to be ultra-religious. And in these nations, family planning is very unpopular, due to the opposition from the clerics. Take the example of Muslim nations such as Somalia, Sudan.etc and Christian nations such as the Philippines. Family planning measures are not encouraged there, if not banned outright.

And if you look at countries, that are rich these days, mister - they all became rich, when they were religious. Protestantism in the case of West and confucianism/buddhism in the case of far East. Altough different, both instilled culture of work ethics into their respective people.

You westerners are not rich, because you choose not to believe. You were already born rich into place where generation after generation of hard working folk accumulated wealth over past centuries.
432  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are rich countries rich and poor countries poor? on: May 16, 2017, 07:14:24 AM
I think it is because of different corruption levels in different countries and that is the main reason for me why one country is rich and another country is poor. If you see the rich countries they have the lowest level of corruption, like Denmark, Sweden and Norway from Europe. If you see south eastern Europe like Romania, and the Balkans you will see that the level of corruption there is extremely to the big side. Normally if the level of corruption in Romania and Balkans would be the lowest, this area have better natural resources than the Scandinavian countries and would be richer than them.

You can't say that corruption is the lone reason. For example, in South Asian countries such as Nepal and Sri Lanka, the corruption level is quite low. But the people are some of the poorest in the world.

Long time ago, Max Weber (yeah, the vocabulary guy) wrot0e on work ethics and influence of protestantism in the West. Since, faith (or ethos) shapes our culture, it makes sense, that some societies place much greater emphasis on career and accumulation of wealth. This could be just as important is inherent IQ.

It was written all the way back in 1904.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism

433  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are rich countries rich and poor countries poor? on: May 16, 2017, 06:08:57 AM
XhomerX10,

quite the opposite is true, friend. That map, while quite plausible doesnt explain three things.

Why some people within the same IQ range outperform their peers (question of culture, which in the anglosaxon countries was shaped by protenstatism and later englightement).

Does IQ and environment influence culture and if so then how?

Why and how did such massive disparity in IQ formed in the first place, if we are supposed to be all members of same species, originating from EA and can interbreed.

 So you are saying that a correlation exists but increased wealth improves IQ scores and not the other way around?  Interesting.  Honestly, I haven't studied this but it's something I should research.

 


It goes both ways. About  70% of IQ is genetic, the rest is dependant on environment and nutrition - Flynn effect.

In case of perfect conditions, Africa still would not outperform Japanese or Swiss, but they would close the gap significantly. Get where middle easterners are on the map. It is obvious, that populations with higher national IQ can and do perform better under similar conditions, that is true.

It's just that once a country becomes poor, it becomes insanely difficult to get out. The lack of infrastructure, education and organized government make it extremely difficult for these countries to produce an effective economy, and often lead to violence and war. In economics, we refer to this as the 'poverty trap,' and how poverty is a negative feedback loop that simply leads to more poverty. As to why these countries were poor in the first place, well this may be a result of many things. A common one is prior abuse from Western countries in terms of colonization, slavery, etc.

No, you are referring to individuals. Countries are completely different case.

Congo is sitting on perhaps largest reserves of diamonds and natural gas in the world but is unable to extract them. In fact, the country did not even exist before colonizators came around.

On the other hand South Korea had lower living standarts than majority of subsaharan Africa after civil war and virtually no resources. Look at it today.

So rather it is question of culture vs IQ of native population, not some invinsible "loop". Furthermore, did it occur to you, that those things may be related? Some countries were never colonized in the past millenia. Others multiple times by different cultures.
434  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump revealed highly classified information to Russia on: May 16, 2017, 05:18:35 AM
President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.

The information the president relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.

The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said Trump’s decision to do so endangers cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and the National Security Agency.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.d98b8a87db2f

I just read this earlier today. This may be the most serious problem Trump has had so far. I'm not sure he knows that he can't say whatever he wants to just anyone.

Finally, a US president that admitted country is turning blind eye to export of islamic terrorism by Saudi Arabia? That would be incredible for world peace but I doubt it. Trump makes bussiness, not hand outs.

And the fake news including Washington post already have an abysmal track record at reporting. This time they try to be as vague as possible. "We heard, that Trump maybe did say something classified, but we dont know what." Roll on the minute of hate from simpletons.

I am sceptical, but it would be nice to see more cooperation between major powers on the issue of islamists.
435  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 16, 2017, 05:12:45 AM
Since we hit a support line at around 1650, we might stay here for a couple of days.

Any thoughts on, if we continue all the way down to 1200 or bounce back to 1800 first?

By the way, the panic was amusing, but it is clear as day we are looking at market consolidation, not start of a bear market.
436  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: May 15, 2017, 01:58:56 AM
-Obvious scam-

Hey man.
Just to adress your big question of "religious being the big winner of Darwin evolution" as you say.

Simple question: do you think religion is a genetic characteristic?

Why do you say "scam", when I am sourcing statistics from secular governments? You wont find any country in the entire world where nonbelievers have enough children to atleast replace their own numbers. In such cases evolution theory prescripts extinction, no?

Indeed, atheist scientists do believe there is such thing as "religious gene", thats what you are asking right? You do not care for what I think. So let atheists speak for themselves and how they admit, that religious will inherit the Earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_gene

Already wrote, that I see convergence between science and religion as both complement each other in description of natural phenomena and Gods will. One from material, the other from spiritual perspective.
437  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are rich countries rich and poor countries poor? on: May 15, 2017, 01:48:56 AM
XhomerX10,

quite the opposite is true, friend. That map, while quite plausible doesnt explain three things.

Why some people within the same IQ range outperform their peers (question of culture, which in the anglosaxon countries was shaped by protenstatism and later englightement).

Does IQ and environment influence culture and if so then how?

Why and how did such massive disparity in IQ formed in the first place, if we are supposed to be all members of same species, originating from EA and can interbreed.
438  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are rich countries rich and poor countries poor? on: May 15, 2017, 01:29:50 AM
So I was just surfing the web during my downtime and the internet being a rabbit hole that it is, I realized I got to this page....  http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20010817233944data_trunc_sys.shtml

Having read Guns, Germs and Steel before (as well as watching the documentary on Youtube), I was really surprised that the difference can be attributed to simple things like frost.

This got me thinking, if you believe the poor countries are already locked in to their fate by the cards dealt them, does this mean they are blameless for their current situation? Did colonialism really messed them up or it simply exacerbated an existing problem? And how can poor countries overcome the challenges to becoming 1st-World?

Thats popular in secular liberal circles in the west. To teach youngsters what collective guilt is and to instill fear upon them. People are more obedient that way.

Even though some western european countries managed (due to many factors) to extert control over many continents for several generations - there were already vast differences between cultures around the world. Some places like Africa and Australia being firmly stuck in animism and stone age. Other, like Europe and middle East lagged behind east Asia for most of their history (and arguably again today).

I have to agree with you - if you are only concerned about material possesions, than indeed environment is paramount. Since the world is so incredibly globalized today, IQ of population is not as important as the prevailing culture (which includes work ethics).

Koreans easily outperform any african nation, regardless of the fact, that after civil war they had lower living standarts and relatively poor soil.

439  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: May 15, 2017, 01:03:12 AM
Evolution exists and we can see it even in our lifetime. Look at the people in the 50s of the last century and present-day people. Now the youth grows and they are much higher. Children start to sit and walk faster. All this is an example of evolution on a short stage.

People like you are the reason why I, coming from atheist family, found God late in my life.

You are referring to Flynn effect, not fucking evolution theory! Better nutrition and healthcare has nothing do with genetic drift and variation or even formation of different species.

http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-flynn-effect-for-height/

And you know what? It is fully reversible. Early modern humans being significantly smaller, than their stone age ancestors both in height, brain size and muscle mass. Due to lifestyle, not genes.
440  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Should Atheist, Muslims etc that doesn't believe in the Bible be beheaded? on: May 15, 2017, 12:57:25 AM
well these kind of radical beliefs makes me lose faith in religion. I mean seriously? this is how isis views things. i'd be better off with people who don't believe in anything than with these dangerous radics who think so highly of themselves and their religion.

This is as hilarious as it is dumb. I think only difference between you and the OP is slightly better english grammar.

Faith is reflection of individual character. Good person will also be good believer with firm moral compass. Dumb one will use it as leverage for his inferiority complex. And then there are people like you, who will believe anything as long as they can feel safe.
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