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341  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Officially sweden joins NATO on: March 10, 2024, 12:08:16 AM
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But I'm wondering why Ukraine potentially joining NATO is huge danger for Russia and they're quite OK with Finland and Sweden joining NATO. After all they're not threatening to start ''special military operation'' against them. I guess this only shows that this invasion isn't about NATO expansion to East like they're saying.
That special military "operation" was just a matter of time. That's why we (Finland) joined. They have also violated our airspace with freaking fighter jets when ever they had to show a power move. Because they knew we wouldn't respond too harshly as we wouldn't like to rock the boat. They have used paid agitators and russian troll factory on our finnish forums and but they are pretty easy to spot, as finnish is one of the hardest language to master, and non-Finn pretending to be native Finns make make errors constantly by using translators and pushing Kremilin's propaganda. It sticks out.

Before we joined, Russia stated that it would mean serious militaristic and political consequences against Finland. But before it our airspace was constantly violated by Russian Jets as a power move as they knew we wouldn't want to rock the boat by responding too harshly. And here's Dmitry Medvedev mentioning finland and threating with nuclear missiles because of nato.

We follow closely to Russian media and are aware of their blatant lies and how they have been now building an image of Finland as an enemy. They have even changed their school textbooks to rewrite Russian history that fits to that. They have also lately been removing Finnish soldier's graves in and memorial plaques Russia.

And needles to say we don't have any diplomatic relations with them as Russia has declared Finland as unfriendly country.

342  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Eurovision 2024 bets on: March 09, 2024, 11:42:21 PM
Let me know if you find any crypto bookies accepting Eurovision bets!

There are many reputable online sportsbooks that do. Actually, almost all of them.

You can find Eurovision betting odds on popular platform BC.Game here:
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https://bc.game/sports?bt-path=%2Fspecials-18

And there are of course others, such as BK8, Cloudbet, Duelbits, FortuneJack, Sportsbet, Stake...
So is anyone going to vote those non-favourites? I just reclaimed my JUN airdrop, so i am cashing that and wagering it for Finland.
Finland had 67x multiplier in bc.game (biggest one i've seen), so i wanted to try there. But since i didn't recall if i had registered yet, i tried to search all my emails from "bd.game", and nothing came up.

So i made an account there, and while i looked around before depositing, i spinned that flashy wheel with those free JB tokens as a bet. There came a popup screen saying that i wasn't eligible for the prize as someone has already registered an account from my ip or my computer. Now i am afraid to use that site anymore, because it will probably look like double accounting on purpose.

Stake had just 66x multiplier, so that's gonna do fine. But i would like to see odds for other crypto casinos for comparison and i didn't find eurovision from others you listed, even with google. Maybe you can give direct links?
343  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I need to gather opinions before launching my shitcoin publicly on: March 09, 2024, 11:04:57 PM
Me and my mates have created another stoopid meme token but I don't want to create a post in the announcement board unless people actually like the idea so would like for some sincere opinions
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Yes I know the world doesn't need more memecoins lol
Seems like such a stupid idea it could be a winner, except with your attitude you aren't going anywhere. If you just want attention for free and without risk, this isn't happening.

If you need a permission from random people before you do what you genuinely think could be fun, you are missing the point. People win in this space because they take risks. This isn't a tv and there are no test audiences to pander.

Don't be afraid to flop, because that's most likely what's going to happen anyway. It doesn't matter what people say in here. It will probably flop no matter how many of them are in board, or how many say that they are not. Only way to guarantee to lose is not to try.

Imagine wanting to do stand-up comedy, but refusing to go on the stage before everyone is cheering. This is what your post looks like to me. Just do it, don't ask permission or acceptance. The whole point of this token creation is that you don't need to.
344  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Thorchain (RUNE) is soon obsolete, here's why. on: March 09, 2024, 10:45:11 PM
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Hydranet could potential be a competitor to Uniswap, which if Hydranet reaches the same marketcap, it will be worth $70+/token. (And it's currently trading at 6!!!! cents).
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Hydranet is interesting, i have to admit, and with $10M marketcap it seems cheap as hell.

But competition for uniswap? Let's be realistic. You can't even start to compare fees when Hydranet has fraction of the volume of rune or uniswap, that seems like you are misleading newbs purposely.

And please tell me this is actually open source but i can't just find the code, because downloading closed source software for something this is just stupid.

And while $10M marketcap means there are lots of space to grow, it needs more then smoke and mirrors to rise and compete with big boys. And with all those cross-chain bridge attacks and stolen money last year, this or any other cross-chain tech doesn't seem like sure bet to me. It's going to be an important development sector, but i rather keep using CEXes and traditional DEXes for the time being.
345  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What Alts can make a possible 5x this bull season? on: March 09, 2024, 09:06:31 PM
It's really important we share our views on Alts based on our various researches to know what to buy this current bull season. As we all know whenever Bitcoin gains strength Alts follow and some Alts do great imagine accumulating Solana when it was just a dollar years back.

Am believing layer one coins with good tokenomics such as Dot would make 2x to 5x maybe should be watched.please I'll love your opinion on this.
it's refreshing when people are investing into most dangerous/volatile markets out there and are only after 5x. But i reckon you can make 5x with multiple altcoins between top 10-50 coins in coinmarketcap. Even thought many of them have already done almost that from last year.

But as i've seen some DOT talking points recently, and people seem like they want desperately push it up, and while i don't like the fact it pumps as well, it most likely will. We are still quite early and 5x is definitely a possibility. And my hats of to you for not being more greedy than that. I was planning to do 10000x with shitcoins myself. At least one of us will meet their exit target.

I guess comparing something to sol potential keeps things in perspective, but i see it as a bad idea. People get delusional when they wait for that kind of mooning to happen just with one coin.
346  Other / Off-topic / Re: specialty or "Jack of all trade? on: March 09, 2024, 05:59:49 PM
No doubt, being the jack of all trades has a lot of advantages, especially in today's world where a single skill and source of income is always not enough to Carter for your needs, and coping well in a field would in most instances require that you combine a lot of other skills for effective productivity but then, being a specialist or someone that's dedicated to a chosen field could make you exceptionally experienced than combining a whole lot of similar skill on your head.

I guess this is the reason why in most professional fields like medicine, engineering, finance, and even in the legal fields, it's expected that there is a combination of some sort of general knowledge or focus on a niche where one will be called upon to handle matters in that context.

What's your view on this? Is it best to be a specialist in a chosen field or tilt to being the jack of all trades?
Wouldn't that depend on what are you specialist of? Because i know one guy who has specialized himself so far on his studies, and has so many published papers on it, that he is pretty much irreplaceable, as no one in his field knows as much experience of the subject. And basically he can determine his own salary now (to some point of course).

Luckily he picked something that isn't going away, as for example i have specific and deep knowledge and experience about something that don't exist anymore. I won't go to details in case of doxxing, but i had to re-educate myself and start from the scratch.

Jack of all trades might help you to some extent in your life, as it's handy to know how to do things and not hire professionals for every job, but when you know little bit about lots of things, you aren't really irreplaceable in any field. In hindsight, i would rather combine 2-3 things and get deep understanding in them. Being able to understand problems in one field and developing skills to fix them in another is a golden combination. Like neurobiology, electronics and coding or Biology, chemistry, and mathematics. Or chemistry and psychology.

It really depends what you aim to do and some of these combinations are obviously better then others. And some of those might offer unforeseen or even unethical but lucrative opportunities, like weapon design, or some specific research work.
347  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: When you are not to gamble. on: March 08, 2024, 10:17:01 PM
You can add these two:

When you win little, do not gamble on that day again. But some gamblers will feel like they should continue to gamble and they will lose at the end of the day.
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I think i know what you mean, but i don't agree with this. Especially when wording of this advice is so vague.

Why couldn't i keep playing? Why i am going to lose that when i have a change to win, which is the whole point of casinos. I know that one should be able to exit while they are still in profit, but what's the "little" in this scenario? When i win 2€ from a slot machine, i should call it quits even though my deposit is $50 and i own $52 now? This seems like a highly subjective advice that can be interpreted loosely.

Do i have to win big with one big jackpot so that it's a legit win i can withdraw? Why is several smaller wins a bad idea, when that's even more plausible then a huge one bet jackpot?
348  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is AI going to affect gambling in any way ? on: March 08, 2024, 10:01:13 PM
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One of the popular AI is the one being used in Football is zcodesystem.com

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ZCode System:Focusing on football, this AI prediction software utilises a complex score prediction formula based on more than 80 parameters. It conducts 10,000 simulations to forecast scores based on historical data.
it cost $198/month and for serious Football bettors
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AI fomo is real. And that's quite fascinating, because with $198 month (and that's with discount) developers must be e having pretty lucrative gross margin on sales. If they have enough customers that is.  

Just think about it. Anyone tech savvy enough could rent a powerful cloud server and run a custom large language model. Base code for it is already free and ready, and configuring it just for gambling shouldn't be that hard. Owners of such service would still get to keep most of the $198 / month, as cloud services for that doesn't cost that much. And they could automate the system. so with some web development skills and by scalng it up with new users, that would pay small fraction of that $198 / month... Soon it would still be a lucrative investment.

I wonder how accurate those predictions really are, because i am not trusting those charts at the site. Anything that shows portfolios that are just going up seems like a scam to me. Or at least an attempt of misleading marketing.
349  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC power on: March 08, 2024, 06:26:20 PM
Hello all BTC
can we talk about the source behind BTC price
Utility and fundamentals of it create demand, and capped supply keeps the price up.

yes there is only 21m btc but iI think that it is not enough
What does this even mean "not enough"? You know we can just add digits when one satoshi becomes too expensive, right? In theory it's basically endlessly divisible as it's nothing like physical gold or diamonds in real world. Real world resources can be described as something we would prefer having more of. World is never going to run out of bitcoin, ever.

it make anyone reach just by bying and hodling it
we normally get rich by working, studying or something else but not hodling
there is that guy who keep all his time studying and working and get paid just to pay rent, food and his family (life should be like that)
there is that guy who never studied or work just get some btc and hodl it  Huh
Welcome to the markets. Markets have nothing to do with how life "should" work, or hoe value should be created. Working and studying has a nothing to do with size of your portfolio. Consider this more like a casino, but instead of betting winners in sports, you are betting on stocks, commodities, cryptos and such. Cryptos just happen to be most volatile "investment" at the moment and people who "bet" on it rising up were lucky. That doesn't mean people keep being lucky, as everything has a top and no investment just keep on rising infinitely.

It might seem like injustice to you, but this isn't "real life", or actual work. This is speculation of value.

Difference between working and investing is that with work, you are creating something of value, so it's safer bet to get money by working. You aren't even taking a risk, you are just working, and when you aren't taking high risk, there's often not that high reward. You can rise that money by working more efficiently or by studying though. And in investing, people put that money to work for them and by doing that they are risking that income. So they might as well could lose it. It's easy to see as unfair when markets are going up and people are getting rich because of it. If it would be going down, your post would look very different.
350  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Polkadot, what do you guys think? on: March 08, 2024, 05:17:40 PM
It hasn't gone into bull mode like BTC has, is there a reason?
Polkadot has risen around 172% since October 2023 while btc has risen around 127% at the same time. So what are you talking about?
Are you asking why it crashed so hard after ATH? There are ton of reasons for that, but main one would be that DOT wasn't anything special. It shouldn't have any reason to get to new ath, but since markets are dumb, it's probably going to do that as well at some point. But i personally don't want that crap to my bags. Even meme tokens bring more value to crypto.

And since biggest security issue in crypto for a while has been cross-chain bridge vulnerabilities, why would people want to invest to a coin, that's basically build around that subject?
351  Economy / Gambling / Re: ✨ Shuffle.com | The next generation of crypto casinos | Sports, Casino + token on: March 08, 2024, 04:48:45 PM
Can someone explain the purpose of the shfl token?   Serious question. Are they raising money by selling what ultimately amounts to crypto poker chips?  Or is there some other beneficial use? Is this a repeat of the $FUN token for crypto casinosthat saw its investors lose 99% of its value bc it had no purpose, or will the token have some intrinsic value or functional purpose aside from using it as a “crypto poker chip”  Given all the enthusiasm I’m trying to find out more info.
I am assuming you haven't read shfl whitepaper yet?

If that was too long or complex, it's basically reward token for using the casino, and 15% of shuffle revenues are weekly used to buyback and burn SHFL tokens directly from open market. So it will definitely add some value to the token, as casino itself is providing buy pressure.

Token holders will get some vip perks and there will be more utility for it in the future, we don't know what all that is yet though. And You can also use it to wager in the casino, which is handy but nothing special.

As in comparison $fun token didn't have any kind of deflationary tokenomics if i recall correctly.
352  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Take Profits! Its important! on: March 08, 2024, 12:21:19 PM
When we are at Extreme Greed you need to be taking some profit off the table. Most people in crypto fail to keep the money they've made. They either sell too late or they selfishly watch all profits fall back to zero.

I've seen this happening each cycle.

We all need to understand that 1st priority in crypto is surviving. Profits are in 2nd place. Yes that sounds counterintuitive, but it's really simple. The real skill is not in making money. The real skill is in keeping it.

I hope you found this useful. Keep up the flow, and may the force be with you.
I have seem many of my friends, and even myself to think that because they missed ath, and while they are still up 1000+%, they count that as a loss and refuse to sell because it could go higher. Not only selling the absolute top is statistically nearly impossible, we still beat ourself not doing that. We beat ourself not doing optimal decisions no matter what. I still keep thinking some ATHs that i have missed as a loss, even when i sold, roi of them were insane and nothing you could ever do with stocks.

Talking profits is also hard because everyone around you will say you are crazy to do so. They will say this is nothing and it will be on top 10 marketcap easily or something. Obviously everything can moon, but when nothing is enough and exit targets are as delusional as "think this like investing to bitcoin at the start". We are most likely losing.

But i am glad i took profits, even now, when i sold lots of bitcoin in 2015. Because i used it for making my life, and my kids life better.
If i hadn't do that and i kept my bitcoins and eth, i would be rich for sure, but if i keep hitting myself for that, and all i see is mistakes in my life, i end up hating myself. But if i see them as lessons that i paid that much bitcoin worth, i just make sure that those lessons were worth it. Because i wouldn't like to pay for something that i already know.

And it's not like i didn't do well. Just in hindsight i just would have done better if i had known the future.
353  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Ethereum Price Predictions? Predict the new ATH! on: March 07, 2024, 11:58:54 PM
$10k seems like a low bet, but it's going to be a huge psychological barrier. But if it will break, it will be go to $25k imho. Assuming bitcoin will break $100k as well. I am basing this on the feeling that new people will see BTC as an old dinosaur and feel like they have missed the boat on that. Even though bitcoin has smart contracts now, ethereum L2 and others will be seen as a gold mine. People will look at all the tokens that have mooned and most likely support L1 projects that they have born from, like ETH, SOL, and i am not sure what else though. Maybe ADA? I wish not ada, but markets never goes like i wish. Frankly i am out of the loop on what's hot and new in L1 now. Assuming that SOL isn't the only one that's on fire.
354  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does having children have an influence on gambling habits? on: March 07, 2024, 11:10:15 PM
When you have one or more children, you have heavy responsibilities. Sometimes you're on a tight budget. Can being a parent change our playing habits? Are losses even harder to bear when you're in charge of a family? What are your experiences in this area?
I have kids, and obviously they do affect it. They should affect it if you are a mature and responsible parent. Because you are not thinking about just yourself, and there are just some things that you can't take too much risks off, and raising kids is on the top of the list of any responsible parent.

I sometimes can't gamble when i want, but that's a low price to pay as more then anything i want that i afford to take care of my kids. So gambling usually isn't an issue because when you have kids, your priorities will change a LOT. Not only with gambling. I would stay away from gambling completely if i had a severe gambling problem and kids. Just like i would stay away from the booze if i was an alcoholic and had kids.

It's actually now sounds funny to me that people need to ask something like this, but i can remember the time when i didn't have kids. And i remember wondering similar things, and what priorities i would have to have. But i really didn't know how major and complete that shift of priorities was. But i guarantee you, things like this become obvious soon after kids are born or before it. Or your partner will explain how essential budgeting is going to be from that on.

And again. If you don't have gambling problem, you can still gamble. Just with fraction of the budget you used to, because you are not the only one winning or losing anymore.
355  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin in healthcare on: March 07, 2024, 10:49:50 PM
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Data Security
Confidentiality of data is very essential for a health organization. Patient's data are not to be accessed by unauthorized personnel. The Bitcoin and Blockchain technology provides a decentralized and secure means of data storage. Leveraging on this technology will help to secure healthcare data.
Blockchain shouldn't be used as a data storage. It's a public ledger, and even if it was confidential somehow, it would get way too big. Also because of the immutable nature of it, we couldn't even change the data.
Layer 1 should be kept as small and lean as possible.

Improving Medical research Funding
Funding is a very important part of any research and researches requires a lot of resources and effort. Normal funding processes can be time consuming, however, the Initial Coin Offerings (ICO) that is offered by the Bitcoin technology provides a more seamless approach to funding researchers and healthcare start ups by raising funds directly from individuals and organizations that are interested in the research by issuing  tokens.
Initial Coin Offerings are just a name for fund raising method. In 2017 several different altcoins tried to raise money for similar kind of scam projects you are talking about. All of them are pretty much died. And like someone already pointed out; This has nothing to do with bitcoin.

Effective Payment process.
One of the advantages of Bitcoin technology is the ability to make seamless payment. Normal payment processes with traditional banks can be time consuming and delayed especially when it involves a large sum but with the help of Bitcoin technology, seamless payment transactions can be carried out.
This isn't about health care, but just an idea that more places should accept bitcoin as payment. That has been the goal since the start of bitcoin.
356  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Does Technical Analysis Really Work? on: March 07, 2024, 10:32:08 PM
I am seeking the opinion of the experienced and voicing my opinion.

I think if a training is 100% for learning, 1% of it is technical analysis and the rest 99% is psychological games..Because I have been learning and trading technical analysis for a long time but mostly I lose. I am still learning after that. I've noticed lately that big investors can handle trading as they please. Because they have a lot of funds, if they take a small amount, they take big trades and destroy it. In which case technical analysis is not enough. And I think psychological analysis plays a big role along with technical analysis.


But I don't have any psychological knowledge about trading. Looking for expert opinion on psychological mind set.
That's a hard question to answer, and i guess it depends on what you mean by it "working".

Sure, you can use it as a tool, but it's not an exact science, or even close to it

History of the market action can be splitted to several different indicators, that can be used in several ways. But what's the right way to do that? I see everyone interpret the chart on their own way.
And since there are several ways people do it in very different ways, it's really hard to figure out if those indicators or combinations of them actually work even for that 51% of the time. Different marketcaps and different assets, different kind of charts and timeframes can behave differently from each other.

I personally haven't even looked any indicator probability data, and couldn't say if my TA was off, or if wrong outcome was just bad luck, because losses fit into that probability of losing (that always will exist).

What i believe is true, is that majority of people are somewhat stupid and behavior of masses is always somewhat predictable.  I couldn't say how accurate that would be though, but i believe it's a possibility to predict it. .

Some people will tell you that TA won't work when there's one person that can bring the market down, and while that's true, that means there's a slight change that will happen, and it will be calculated to the probability. But that doesn't prove TA itself wouldn't work.
357  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Which do you prefer, CEXs or DEXs? on: March 06, 2024, 04:40:28 PM
People see them as comparable because you can swap tokens in them. But they really are not.

It's like asking if you like cash or owning a bank account. Both are about money, and both have their use cases, but other one clearly offers more (CEX). With DEX, it's more pseudonymous and you have control over your money. Except since you are using dexes you are moving that money around and you can compare it to holding large amounts of money in a sketchy neighbourhood.
In cex, or in bank in my comparison, your cash is secured by a multi million dollar company.

With CEX you can legitimately trade fast between different chains, and cash out big amounts to your bank account. Which you can immediately use for buying a house for example.
With DEX, if you want to buy a house without CEX involved, you would have to be sure that seller would accept big amounts crypto money (or physical cash like in my analogy) for that house. And these days, if you don't have any transaction histories saved, explaining huge amounts of cash is even harder then huge amounts of crypto. And because of AML laws, you will need to keep your trading history and account addresses close, if some official comes knocking about where this money is from.

I understand why DEXes have been developed, and they need to exist, And even though i have seen several exit scams of CEXes in my time here, and "not your keys not your coins" has been one of the first things i've learned. I have seen way more problems with dexes. And i am not seeing those problems ending any time soon.
358  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: I don't understand you people... on: March 06, 2024, 04:17:36 PM
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Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
I am not sure if you are trolling or not. But in case you are not joking. If you are upset because people make market go to another direction, trading might not be for you. I find it weird that at least once in a month i see a comment from these "genius" traders telling us that if everyone just so what they said, we would all be rich. Like it would be others fault that they are losing money. Usually it's about price going down though.

I understand it's frustrating to lose money, but other people didn't ruin your change, you did participate to free markets and it's your money, so accept some responsibility of your actions. Otherwise you'll never learn from setbacks, because they will never be your fault. Also you are in writing to trading section and shorting is part of trading.

In case you were joking; Poe's law makes it sure that i am not getting the irony.
359  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Planet to be enlisted on binance on: March 06, 2024, 06:02:02 AM
This reeks like a scam.

I was looking any proof that https://jointheplanet.earth/ (that seems legit) would be in any way connected to https://jointheplanetrwa.planetrefi.com/ or https://planetrefi.com
And i can't find any.

Site mentions no $planet coin token what so ever, nor it has any link to this project. They are trying to sell nfts later on, but there are no details yet, so this would be a perfect time to make a scam around it. There's no connection to the token.

All i've seen is this: https://cointelegraph.com/press-releases/football-goat-messi-opens-mystery-box-to-reveal-planets-plans-to-disrupt-rwa-market
And that's not news. That's a press release from Planet Refi

And this quote from the press release is an actual proof of a scam:
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Aside from the RWA reveal, Planet has also announced the launch of its brand new staking program to reward the holders of the $PLANET token with more utilities. As part of the program, $PLANET tokenholders will soon be sharing 10% of the total revenue generated through the Planet Refi platform.

Anyone who has studied RWA longer than a minute know this is not going to be legal. It's would make the token an unregistered security because of the contract of shared profits, and it directly clashes with AML laws. There's zero change Messi's lawyers would had him anything to do with this.

I have to admit that this throwed me off a little bit, as this is from jointheplanet.earth



But there's just the symbol, no link or explanation what it is, so either jointheplanet.earth have accidentally partnered with a scammer or that's a logo for something else
and scam is been build around that symbol they found on the site. Or messi has a paid partnership up with jointheplanet foundation, and planet is their side hustle that messi's lawyers weren't aware of.

Anyway, i contacted jointheplanet.earth for starters, if they say this is legit then Messi's lawyers have f*cked up.
360  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Potential Upside in Exchange Tokens on: March 05, 2024, 05:18:18 PM
If there's one thing crypto traders love, it's a good opportunity. But I sometimes wonder if exchange native tokens don't get enough attention compared to major coins like BTC.

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Best of all, as the holder of exchange native tokens you can benefit from staking, launchpad allocations, trading bonuses and more perks provided by the platforms. With continued competition between exchanges to scale globally, 2024 could be another breakout year for exchange tokens if networks expand as predicted. But what do you think of the tokens guys?
Because you can't even compare them. BTC is a decentralized cryptocurrency, while exchange tokens are by definition very much centralized around the exchange. And they DO get major exposure all the time. Most of them have substantial marketcap already, so they aren't any more overlooked more then any other altcoins out there.

Smaller marketcap tokens outperforming BTC isn't really surprising as they are obviously going to be more volatile then BTC,

And it isn't real "staking" you are doing with them. Staking is securing transactions for the blockchain and getting rewards without third party CEXes. Exchanges just call that bullshit staking because if they would call it "earning interest" it would be harder to justify that it's not a investment contract and unregistered security.
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