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361  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Targeted Gangstalking Information Thread on: February 19, 2020, 02:51:26 AM
I hope you find help. What you're experiencing is most likely paranoia brought on by some sort of mental illness. I hope it's just a phase and it passes and you can look back on it and laugh.


Are you getting enough sleep?
362  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus: How can YOU help? on: February 17, 2020, 07:21:54 AM
Unfortunately people in the US go to work sick because they need the money. This is going to be a major way that a virus like that could spread in the US.

Perhaps employers/ the government should give a benefit of 50% of pay for people to stay home. It's for the benefit of society and I don't care if a small percentage abuse it. If there is a medical requirement (a doctor signing off) that would cut abuse right down too.

I don't see us doing anything like that though. It's a ticking time bomb.


So what YOU can do to help is stay home from work if you're sick.
363  Other / Off-topic / Re: Share Good Movies Please? on: February 15, 2020, 12:29:41 AM
Run Lola Run

Is one that I would recommend.
364  Other / Off-topic / Re: What's the longest shift you've ever worked? on: February 15, 2020, 12:27:38 AM
My longest shift was 21h, as far as I remember (8h was the normal shift, 1h of lunch break and 12h of overtime - including overnight).

However, several years I had periods of 3-4 consecutive months when I was working from Monday to Friday between 9AM-10PM and each weekend 8h/day.

So far, in ~13.5 years at the same company I achieved 5261h of overtime which, in normal time (~170 working hours per month) mean 30.94 months extra -- almost 2 years and 7 months of overtime.

I can't believe it sometimes...

- Edit: oh, and I forgot to mention - these were only the paid hours, those officialy counted. Besides them I have spent other hundreds of hours of overtime from dedication Smiley.


I hope they give you stock in the company based on these hours!

365  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC is back with a bang. on: February 11, 2020, 07:38:02 PM
everyone will think in bright side for 20K 25K 30K 100K who know this year how much price going.

but i know one think  price will not turn back to 3k like last year.



There's no reason the price wouldn't just go back to 3k. Don't just jump into the hypetrain.


We don't have enough adoption and usability yet. We may see crashes and starts for another decade and go nowhere until things really blow up. So don't just assume that bitcoin is a magic money making machine for you, nothing is.
366  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BTC, BCH and BSV halving countdown dashboard on: February 11, 2020, 07:34:37 PM
Hi all,

We recently launched a halving countdown dashboard that offers a simple overview of the blocks and time remaining until the block reward halvings.

Hope this is useful! Smiley



I'd love it if the page let people know that the other two are pretenders somehow. I've come across Bitcoin SV true believers in other places in the Internet and they're obnoxious. Don't give them the legitimacy they crave.
367  Other / Off-topic / What's the longest shift you've ever worked? on: February 10, 2020, 02:25:39 AM
I worked a 14 hour shift 8am-10pm
368  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [VIDEO]The Empirical Proof of Bitcoin's Real Value Being Zero on: February 05, 2020, 02:24:44 PM

1. Empirically, records whose issuers pay nothing to their holders are worthless. If a bond issuer goes bankrupt, this bond is a record that pays nothing and as such it's worthless. Bitcon is a record that pays nothing and that's why it is worthless as well.
2. You're not able to sent my poop to me. Does that mean my poop is valuable?
3. There's one theory called "The greater fool theory". This theory doesn't implying people are fools but that they act like fools. Similarly, I am implying that you act foolish and not that you are fools. Acting foolish and being a fool are two entirely different things.

1. Your argument is that bitcoin doesn't have value. You specified empirically. Your use of the term is incorrect. Anything else is irrelevant. If you can buy anything for bitcoin, including other currencies it empirically has value.

So you're classifying bitcoin as this thing "a record whose issuers pay nothing to their holders" and declare it "worthless". Bitcoin is not simply a record. It's a record that can't be falsified without tremendous, almost impossible effort on the part of a single attacker.

While your argument is irrelevant let me debunk it. There is no direct issuer of bitcoin except for all the people who use the network rules. So everyone who runs or has run a full node is an issuer. We agree to the rules therefore we issue the bitcoins awarded to the miners. We get paid in the form of either a secure network or bitcoins for the miners.


Dollars don't have value by themselves either. Dollars are created arbitrarily by the banks. If everyone who owns dollars is a "holder" than when the bank creates more dollars through a loan, most of the "holders" actually lose value in terms of inflation. Therefore even by your argument fiat is worse, not better than bitcoin.



2. This is not contradicting my argument at all. Dollars and Bitcoin can be sent electronically. If I sent you $1 in the mail or through paypal. Would you be able to send me BTC100,000? No. That is because bitcoin empirically has a non zero value.

Me not being able to send your poop to you is a weird argument. I don't see how it's relevant. Are you trying to get me to sell your own poop back to you? Does it have to be your own shit? In this case I can send you a link to the video you made on YouTube. I'll expect a payment of $100 or BTC0.01 Since your video is poop and you put it out in the world I think it qualifies.

3. Here we go again calling us fools but not providing an argument for it. I can guarantee you that a lot of bitcoin holders believe in the project for reasons other than financial gain.

Bitcoin could crash to a fraction of a cent and I'd still believe in the project. Bitcoin can't be frozen by the banks, can't be printed by the governments and can't be blocked by political interests.

I'm here to create a world that I won't to live in. Not to sell bitcoin to a greater fool.
1. I am not making an argument. I am stating facts. The fact is that if a particular financial record such as bond, pays nothing it is valueless. Bitcoin is also a financial record. It is not a good that you can eat, drink, put on your finger or edit text with it. It is simply a database record. A record that pays nothing, just like a bond of a bankrupt issuer. So empirically, Bitcoin is not a good to have value through utilization or consumption. Bitcoin pays nothing to have value as a classical financial instrument. Bitcoin is simply a worthless record that you transfer from one virtual address to another. You bitcoiners have been purchasing this worthless record for thousands of dollars and now you try to rationalize your irrational behaviour by simply declaring bitcoin valuable. You are just repeating the mantra "Bitcoin has value". That's all. You deny the concept of value and try to give value to bitcoin by declaration.

2. E-mail that contains a single letter and mp3 file containing "bip" sound, can be sent electronically as well. So? This doesn't give them value. Value is something that is inherent to a thing itself. It doesn't magically emerge when you transfer that thing from one location to another.

3. I am not calling you fools. I am saying that you act like fools. Being a fool and acting like one are two different things. Under extreme emotional pressure(greed) or due to ignorance, even intelligent people can act very foolish. Purchasing a record, that pays nothing and that can't be consumed or utilized like a good, for thousands of dollars is the definition of acting foolish.


1. You're not stating facts, you're making a bad argument. You're just like a Jordan Peterson, you make constant straw man arguments, you then valiantly slay these straw men, and then declare that you've proven a wider point. Bitcoin empirically has value, you can buy things with it. If you were honest you'd admit you can't disprove that.

I even debunked your dumb little, non-empirical by definition theory.

2. You don't understand how bitcoin works. You never send a .mp3 or whatever file containing the bitcoins. You run a little script that shifts ownership of the coins to someone else. You hold the keys, and while the keys themselves could be copied that would only mean that a third party would use the keys to steal the bitcoin and then hold it secure with their own private key.

3. Your post self contradicts this.



Finally I can't hold your hand here. I don't think this is a high quality topic so from here on out, I let this die.

I tried to get you out towards the shores of sanity, but you choose to wallow into the mud of stupidity, once the night comes you'll die of hypothermia. No-coiner. May your fiat's value forever decrease and may you never have enough insight to even realize it.

369  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [VIDEO]The Empirical Proof of Bitcoin's Real Value Being Zero on: February 05, 2020, 06:40:32 AM

1. Empirically, records whose issuers pay nothing to their holders are worthless. If a bond issuer goes bankrupt, this bond is a record that pays nothing and as such it's worthless. Bitcon is a record that pays nothing and that's why it is worthless as well.
2. You're not able to sent my poop to me. Does that mean my poop is valuable?
3. There's one theory called "The greater fool theory". This theory doesn't implying people are fools but that they act like fools. Similarly, I am implying that you act foolish and not that you are fools. Acting foolish and being a fool are two entirely different things.

1. Your argument is that bitcoin doesn't have value. You specified empirically. Your use of the term is incorrect. Anything else is irrelevant. If you can buy anything for bitcoin, including other currencies it empirically has value.

So you're classifying bitcoin as this thing "a record whose issuers pay nothing to their holders" and declare it "worthless". Bitcoin is not simply a record. It's a record that can't be falsified without tremendous, almost impossible effort on the part of a single attacker.

While your argument is irrelevant let me debunk it. There is no direct issuer of bitcoin except for all the people who use the network rules. So everyone who runs or has run a full node is an issuer. We agree to the rules therefore we issue the bitcoins awarded to the miners. We get paid in the form of either a secure network or bitcoins for the miners.


Dollars don't have value by themselves either. Dollars are created arbitrarily by the banks. If everyone who owns dollars is a "holder" than when the bank creates more dollars through a loan, most of the "holders" actually lose value in terms of inflation. Therefore even by your argument fiat is worse, not better than bitcoin.



2. This is not contradicting my argument at all. Dollars and Bitcoin can be sent electronically. If I sent you $1 in the mail or through paypal. Would you be able to send me BTC100,000? No. That is because bitcoin empirically has a non zero value.

Me not being able to send your poop to you is a weird argument. I don't see how it's relevant. Are you trying to get me to sell your own poop back to you? Does it have to be your own shit? In this case I can send you a link to the video you made on YouTube. I'll expect a payment of $100 or BTC0.01 Since your video is poop and you put it out in the world I think it qualifies.

3. Here we go again calling us fools but not providing an argument for it. I can guarantee you that a lot of bitcoin holders believe in the project for reasons other than financial gain.

Bitcoin could crash to a fraction of a cent and I'd still believe in the project. Bitcoin can't be frozen by the banks, can't be printed by the governments and can't be blocked by political interests.

I'm here to create a world that I won't to live in. Not to sell bitcoin to a greater fool.
370  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: February 05, 2020, 05:49:31 AM
The biggest threat to the Earth?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1237178/weather-warning-ice-age-earth-sun-hibernates-solar-minimum-long-range-forecast

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1207877/space-weather-news-solar-storm-2019-space-weather-forecast-geomagnetic-space-news

It's the Sun. Combine the possibilities of solar storms causing Carrington events, and wiping out our electronics, with the Global Cooling possibilities.


Your sources are not researchers. Your sources are news articles. What are you even doing with your life?

I post the PIOMAS from the Polar Science Center. Notice how their website is a .edu And their data I'm sure is backed by teams and teams of scientists doing rigorous research.

You post news articles.

Article 1: Based on the opinion of one "Expert" No studies found during skimming
Article 2: Some sensational nonsense about solar storms.


You're barely on topic.

If this was a forum for serious climate discussion and I was asked whether your post had any merit or added to the discussion in any way, it'd be a thumbs down. Do other people who respect their time need or even want to read this?
371  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [VIDEO]The Empirical Proof of Bitcoin's Real Value Being Zero on: February 05, 2020, 05:37:26 AM
I am not implying that you're all idiots for holding bitcoin. I am implying that you act like idiots. Being an idiot and acting like one are two different things. Under extreme emotional pressure(greed) or due to ignorance, even intelligent people can act very idiotically. Those that would give you a nice meal for some BTC (worthless record) are good example of such behavior.

So we are greedy and we act like fools.

So where is the proof that bitcoin's "Real" Value is zero?

What gives anything its "Value"

I would argue that financial value can be easily proven through the market. Even if we were all greedy fools, then bitcoin still has value.

Define the word "Empirically" and you will find that it contradicts your whole argument. Things proven empirically are things proven in the real world, not based on logic or theory.

Your argument is a theory based argument.


It's almost as old as bitcoin. You are all greedy fools and bitcoin is worthless.

But empirically I have bought and sold things using bitcoin.


I have eaten my lunch at work using bitcoin and I have worked (a little bit) for bitcoin.
Empirically bitcoin has value and that value is not zero.

If empirically the value of bitcoin was zero, you wouldn't mind giving me 100,000 Bitcoins for $100 since you'd be able to get 100,000 Bitcoins for 0 dollars.

So prove it to me. Send me 100,000 Bitcoins.

Oh what, you can't?

That's right because I just proved you to be a total "can't" no offence given to can't with a U either.

Edit:    Changed "Bitcoin'" to "Bitcoin's"
Edit 2: Changed "do" to "to" in "to be a total"

Your whole post is based on ignorance between market value and real value. Watch the video again.

You declare my whole post ignorance while ignoring all my points.

1. You use the term empirically incorrectly.

Empirically means through experience and not by theory, through experience bitcoin has value

2. If BTC's Value was 0 you could send me BTC100,000 for $1 and you'd make a buck, but you can't, because the value of bitcoin is empirically not zero.

3. Implying that we're greedy fools on our turf (Bitcointalk)  is kind of hilarious but you have no argument. Your video is such garbage that I had to tune out within seconds.
I'm the kind of guy to watch 6 hour videos of badly produced audio and loops. And even I can't watch your shit video.

372  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [VIDEO]The Empirical Proof of Bitcoin's Real Value Being Zero on: February 03, 2020, 05:10:48 PM
I am not implying that you're all idiots for holding bitcoin. I am implying that you act like idiots. Being an idiot and acting like one are two different things. Under extreme emotional pressure(greed) or due to ignorance, even intelligent people can act very idiotically. Those that would give you a nice meal for some BTC (worthless record) are good example of such behavior.

So we are greedy and we act like fools.

So where is the proof that bitcoin's "Real" Value is zero?

What gives anything its "Value"

I would argue that financial value can be easily proven through the market. Even if we were all greedy fools, then bitcoin still has value.

Define the word "Empirically" and you will find that it contradicts your whole argument. Things proven empirically are things proven in the real world, not based on logic or theory.

Your argument is a theory based argument.


It's almost as old as bitcoin. You are all greedy fools and bitcoin is worthless.

But empirically I have bought and sold things using bitcoin.


I have eaten my lunch at work using bitcoin and I have worked (a little bit) for bitcoin.
Empirically bitcoin has value and that value is not zero.

If empirically the value of bitcoin was zero, you wouldn't mind giving me 100,000 Bitcoins for $100 since you'd be able to get 100,000 Bitcoins for 0 dollars.

So prove it to me. Send me 100,000 Bitcoins.

Oh what, you can't?

That's right because I just proved you to be a total "can't" no offence given to can't with a U either.

Edit:    Changed "Bitcoin'" to "Bitcoin's"
Edit 2: Changed "do" to "to" in "to be a total"
373  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [VIDEO]The Empirical Proof of Bitcoin's Real Value Being Zero on: February 02, 2020, 02:55:18 PM
What Fundemental feature are you talking about ?
Fundem feature is actually based on the age old traditional currencies whose value would plummet soon enough , Change is the nature of nature.
This is actually a very good example of how stupid can the humans be , wasting their time on Hating bitcoins and proving the value to be zero , instead go to your computer and give us a better option , discover a good option if your think this is a failure .
Why would anyone hate record in a database, as this is all what Bitcon is - a digital record held in a computer. I hate nothing. I am pointing out the human stupidity of purchasing this record for thousands of dollars although it pays zero monetary or non-monetary value to its holders. On their own, all financial instruments are worthless paper or digital records. That's why their issuers must provide some payment to their holders, and it is this payment what gives them value. Bitcoin issuers pay nothing, which renders Bitcoin worthless. Giving up valuable possessions just to be the holder of worthless digital record, is a very good example of how stupid can the humans be.

OK Mr. "I Hate Nothing" You're obviously taking a shit on bitcoin. You're implying that we're all idiots for holding bitcoin to have value and this is your defense: Oh I don't hate on useless bitcoin it's just a piece of software.

I'm not surprised you have 0 merits earned in this forum. I know that I and others will give merit where merit is due, even to bitcoin haters or people who have completely opposing ideologies to our own.

My only question is why? Why make this content?

Now let's rehash some points on to how bitcoin is not much different than other forms of money, and perhaps even better:


Here's how USD is created. A bank loans out $1000 using $100 of reserves. $900 created. Then the person who got the $900 gives it to someone else and he deposits $500 in the bank. The bank now can loan out another $5000.

It's all bullshit. Bitcoin may not be a physical thing but at least it can't be created using debt.

Now why do you hate on Bitcoin? Bitcoin does have inherent value as a utility. Gold is just a shiny metal and more can be mined or found.  Fiat currency is paper. Bitcoin's value is a monetary one but it also has proven scarcity so in my book it's superior to fiat and gold.

There are millions of people in the world that would give me a nice meal for some BTC I bet. And I would make someone a nice meal if they gave me some BTC. The world is still playing catch up but eventually there will be adoption. It may just take another 10-20 years.

edit: added "not" after "bitcoin may"
374  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Numerology +WTF on: February 02, 2020, 03:44:05 AM
Most interesting

Blockchain = 6

Bitcoin = 9


6 + 9 = 69


Here's me testing the Word Numerology Calculator:

Quote
The Numerology for "asshole" is 7
7- Analysis, Understanding, Spirituality, Collective Consciousness, Observer, Introspection, Secretive, Researcher.
Positive Traits
On the positive side, the energy attributes of the number seven resonates with the vibrations of the ‘collective consciousness’, spiritual awakening, knowledge and understanding. It's also related to mental analysis, mysticism, specialist, inventor, intuition, inner wisdom, psychic abilities, deep contemplation, thoughtfulness, healing, secrecy, myth, ritual, different wavelength, perseverance, persistence, solitude, independence, philosophy, scientific research, alchemy, knowledge seeking, evolution, ahead of time, occultism, esoteric.

Negative Traits
On the negative side, the number seven resonates with appearing different, depression, inactivity, pessimism, dependency, stagnation, pride, narrow-mindedness, misanthropic, resentment, self-righteousness, unwilling to share, hypercritical, anti-social, silent, pride, temper or stand-offish.
375  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin, Climate Change, and the Kardashev Scale. on: February 01, 2020, 01:39:12 PM
Anytime I face an article or a video like that (Bitcoin wastes electricity, causes climate change, uses as much electricity as country x et cetera).

I leave a comment explaining how bitcoin is good for the environment by providing an incentive for renewable energy that can't be stored because the batteries are just too expensive and would just have been wasted.

The added financial incentive means more renewable and more renewable energy for uses other than bitcoin.



Andreas Antonopoulos has made similar points very eloquently on multiple speeches I think. Bitcoin is good for solving climate change.


I also suspect that all the "Big Dick" skyscrapers that banks own in major cities have a carbon footprint multiple times that of bitcoin. Banks are probably the ones who make and circulate most debt-based currency so including them in the Bussiness as Usual carbon footprint is only fair.

Also in the bank's footprint are all the bank employees going to work but going there is kind of pointless.



Edit: Typo, changed "to" to "too"
376  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Exchanges are now potentially banning btc sent to a mixing/conjoin services on: January 31, 2020, 04:40:42 AM
I hate all of this. I guess that's the way to find out if your mixer was worth anything to begin with. I guess you can just swap coins with somebody from another part of the world, probably give them a small tip and then use one of these snoopy snoopy compaines.

It's only natural that they would start doing this. All of those money services licences from the government come with strings and chains attached. The good part is that unlike banks, we can take our funds into our sole and exclusive ownership. Hopefully with the lightning network anonymity will increase drastically.
377  Economy / Securities / Re: I'm bored... it's hot... and I like throwing money away on frivolous investments on: January 30, 2020, 09:53:22 PM
You've misspelled some 0.01's as 0.1's on the OP

Anyway... It's on!

The btc denominated value of syscoin has plummeted over the past 10 months from a high of 1668 satoshis around march 29, 2019 to 278 satoshis today.

So It's either dying, or ready to blow up. It's clear which side I'm on so I'm not going to belabor the point. Quite a gamble.


Code:
Bitcointalk name: KonstantinosM
Altcoin I choose: Syscoin
I will pay 0.01 BTC once 10 people have joined: yes
After 10 months, return my 10% of the "winnings" to: bc1qekrkj8qjw65ac8eaqtur9pnc42m9203mfwakfr
378  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Change mainstream media's perception on "Bitcoin being used by thieves" on: January 30, 2020, 04:09:51 PM
People no longer trust mass media like they used to. When bitcoin started people still trusted them, nowadays a lot of people get their news from the Internet and inherently distrust the mainstream media.

We don't need to change the mainstream media's perception of bitcoin. We only need a few million users and to advance the technology. Since fiat just keeps getting printed and expanded through loans and other debt, and since it's controlled by the banks all it takes is a few mishaps/missteps for people to get fed up with the system and move to crypto.

For example, if you kept your money in crypto, you wouldn't need to worry about unfair civil asset forfeiture as the money could never be spotted by a corrupt local police officer and then used to buy donut making machines or whatever.


In the long term the mainstream media will act as if they were always on our side. Bitcoin is like the Internet. It's a disruptive new technology that will eventually become so mainstream and important to our everyday lives that it will be ridiculous to simply link it to criminality or compare it to a ponzi scheme or dismiss it.


The mainstream media ridiculed the Internet and E-mail as well. I wasn't there for it but you can pull up all the quotes.
379  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: January 30, 2020, 11:14:49 AM
The OP in this thread couldn't be more wrong. The trend-line for arctic ice is steeply downwards to the point where we'll be seeing ice-free arctics (as defined for data-collection methods) by 2030.

Here's the actual data:



You can find the data here: http://psc.apl.uw.edu/research/projects/arctic-sea-ice-volume-anomaly/




I totally agree with any serious climate discussion forum either banning or ignoring climate change denialists.

And also both of the terms Global Warming and Climate Change are accurate.

On average the earth is warming, globally and the climate is changing (to the extent that it's an issue).

The gotcha-ism on the term Global Warming is just embarrassingly retarded.
380  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Democracy is dead and doesn't work!!! what about a one party system? on: January 30, 2020, 03:33:52 AM
Since we all seemed to skip it. The idea behind the Chinese government is that it's a meritocracy. The people go through a career path and the people with the best evaluations end up governing larger areas in bigger roles.

Having worked in a company I understand that favoritism can quickly take over. So I don't buy the meritocracy crap. Democracy can cut through that kind of shit. I don't buy it. I'm not a dumb dumb. Not to that extent at least.




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