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401  Economy / Speculation / Re: PnF TA on: May 17, 2017, 06:59:52 PM
Glad to see around Klee.

So basically XMR might shadow growth of bitcoin? Is that correct? BTC just bounced today significantly.

Now, I am noticing, that unlike many other alts, XMR wasnt really all that pumped to begin with... I am sure sharks know about this aswell. This could be big, if you are correct, sir.

There is no good fundamental reason why Monero should have lower cap than litecoin.
402  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people believe in religion? on: May 17, 2017, 06:52:22 PM
There are many religious people on earth. Even the vast majority of the world believes in monotheistic religions.
And often they do not question belief systems. There are many people who have Christian, Muslim and Jewish beliefs.

Why do they still believe in religion? I can not understand why people believe in religions in the age when we can reach the information so quickly.

2 main reasons:

1. fear of the dark death.
2. stupidity.


Funny, that you mention intelligence since so far, people, who have problem with english language, argumentation and basic human decency on this thread are firmly located in atheist camp.

But perhaps I shouldnt be suprised, the worst crimes against humanity in the past one hundred years were brought upon world by these atheists. All the more tragic, that people like you, who were raised crippled without ounce of humility extert so much effort to undo all the work of your ancestors. But those were pious people, so...

1. english isn't my native but i'm sure u got my point rigth.
2. i have nothing against the general idea of god (i.e. deism, pantheism) but if you believe in a personified jewish or other fairy-tale character, it means that you have mental disfunction.

how dare you defend religion and at the same time enjoy the benefits that science and technology have given you?

give at least one example of the achievement of religion over the past 100 years?

1. What are your archievements in your entire life?

You see the fallacy you have committed? Vast majority of knowledge and yes, 2. even technology was developed over tremendous amount of time by scholars, who were religious. In fact many of them still are as archievement and meanigful work is impossible without personal faith in the purpose of your work.

Modern west was build up by people with protestant morals, who were intitially dependant on knowledge savoured by eastern christians and muslims. Unbelieving heathens afterall dont see any value in knowledge itself, but merely its momentary profitability. And here we are today. Again.

I dont have problem using technology while having bible by my side, as one led Man to another. You are showing cognitive dissonance as in belief, that you were somehow created in vacuum without history or culture behind yourself. Everything you have and know today was developed by somebody before you.

So back to your question. What did religion archieve?

3. Religion shapes culture and culture then shapes civilization. You take the last one for granted and choose to not see inherent value of the other two. It will come and bite you later as every culture continue to exist on principles upon which it was founded upon. When you remove the pillars of your house, sooner or later it crumbles on your head.


1. i've got a phd (physics and math).

2. yep, once it was the same thing, like astronomy and astrology but now science is free of this dirt.

3. we have an example of a completely religious state – IS (the islamic state of iraq and the levant). so why don't u move there and taste all the delights of religious sovereignty?

1. I am calling bullshit, not the least, because of your abysmal reasoning.

2. And what is its purpose then, dear Phd?

3. I forgive you. Otherwise, I would have to send you to atheist paradise in North Korea  Wink or is Third Reich more akin to your taste? Anyhow, how does it feel, when others treat you like a subhuman for your beliefs, dear Phd? Is that where education and reason brought you? I doubt it.

the attribute of each cult is to hate and persecute dissenters. remember the inquisition in the past or the shariah countries now? why should I have a different attitude to adherents of cults?

the example with totalitarianism is very unfortunate. since u assume only two alternatives: religion or all the worst anti-religious. forgetting at the same time that there are many positive examples (like ordinary secular states).

Are you sure, you are not mirroring something?

It was you, who told me, an evangelical to go to Islamic state territory, if I disagree with your point of view. I said, I forgive you for your ignorance.

One difference between various secular cults, that you atheits adhere to and proper religions is that the latter actually dignify human beings. Admit them to be born with soul and free will. Work in essence as moral compass. Another difference is, that atheists are targeted by natural selection since they often fail to have any offspring at all. Global share of nonbelievers is steadily dropping. What kind of societal benefit brings extinction?

If you indeed have PhD as you claimed, then you know, that entire basis of your field was founded by religous scholars. Obviously as science merely tries to describe natural phenomena, that was already given name and meaning. Science can therefore go on even without atheists, since it was here long before them and conception of "disbelief". It is not in opposition to religion, it is its complement. On the other hand science cant go on without faith, as it loses its meaning and becomes merely tool of those in power.

so what? this must now be an indisputable truth?

science grew out of religion as a flower grows out of manure. the nonsense of ancient books contradicts the modern scientific picture of the world and common sense in general.

the horse has long died, but u are all trying to saddle it.

And do you have proof or are you reliant on your personal belief and biblical metaphors?

If the horse is dead, please, explain this projection from United Nations:



Religion is complementary to science. As both describe natural phenomena in their own way. People, who rely on science alone are in the place of fools, who try to understand desert by counting all the sand in it.

I pray, that once you grow old and wise enough to understand that.
403  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people believe in religion? on: May 17, 2017, 06:32:08 PM
There are many religious people on earth. Even the vast majority of the world believes in monotheistic religions.
And often they do not question belief systems. There are many people who have Christian, Muslim and Jewish beliefs.

Why do they still believe in religion? I can not understand why people believe in religions in the age when we can reach the information so quickly.

2 main reasons:

1. fear of the dark death.
2. stupidity.


Funny, that you mention intelligence since so far, people, who have problem with english language, argumentation and basic human decency on this thread are firmly located in atheist camp.

But perhaps I shouldnt be suprised, the worst crimes against humanity in the past one hundred years were brought upon world by these atheists. All the more tragic, that people like you, who were raised crippled without ounce of humility extert so much effort to undo all the work of your ancestors. But those were pious people, so...

1. english isn't my native but i'm sure u got my point rigth.
2. i have nothing against the general idea of god (i.e. deism, pantheism) but if you believe in a personified jewish or other fairy-tale character, it means that you have mental disfunction.

how dare you defend religion and at the same time enjoy the benefits that science and technology have given you?

give at least one example of the achievement of religion over the past 100 years?

1. What are your archievements in your entire life?

You see the fallacy you have committed? Vast majority of knowledge and yes, 2. even technology was developed over tremendous amount of time by scholars, who were religious. In fact many of them still are as archievement and meanigful work is impossible without personal faith in the purpose of your work.

Modern west was build up by people with protestant morals, who were intitially dependant on knowledge savoured by eastern christians and muslims. Unbelieving heathens afterall dont see any value in knowledge itself, but merely its momentary profitability. And here we are today. Again.

I dont have problem using technology while having bible by my side, as one led Man to another. You are showing cognitive dissonance as in belief, that you were somehow created in vacuum without history or culture behind yourself. Everything you have and know today was developed by somebody before you.

So back to your question. What did religion archieve?

3. Religion shapes culture and culture then shapes civilization. You take the last one for granted and choose to not see inherent value of the other two. It will come and bite you later as every culture continue to exist on principles upon which it was founded upon. When you remove the pillars of your house, sooner or later it crumbles on your head.


1. i've got a phd (physics and math).

2. yep, once it was the same thing, like astronomy and astrology but now science is free of this dirt.

3. we have an example of a completely religious state – IS (the islamic state of iraq and the levant). so why don't u move there and taste all the delights of religious sovereignty?

1. I am calling bullshit, not the least, because of your abysmal reasoning.

2. And what is its purpose then, dear Phd?

3. I forgive you. Otherwise, I would have to send you to atheist paradise in North Korea  Wink or is Third Reich more akin to your taste? Anyhow, how does it feel, when others treat you like a subhuman for your beliefs, dear Phd? Is that where education and reason brought you? I doubt it.

the attribute of each cult is to hate and persecute dissenters. remember the inquisition in the past or the shariah countries now? why should I have a different attitude to adherents of cults?

the example with totalitarianism is very unfortunate. since u assume only two alternatives: religion or all the worst anti-religious. forgetting at the same time that there are many positive examples (like ordinary secular states).

Are you sure, you are not mirroring something?

It was you, who told me, an evangelical to go to Islamic state territory, if I disagree with your point of view. I said, I forgive you for your ignorance.

One difference between various secular cults, that you atheits adhere to and proper religions is that the latter actually dignify human beings. Admit them to be born with soul and free will. Work in essence as moral compass. Another difference is, that atheists are targeted by natural selection since they often fail to have any offspring at all. Global share of nonbelievers is steadily dropping. What kind of societal benefit brings extinction?

If you indeed have PhD as you claimed, then you know, that entire basis of your field was founded by religous scholars. Obviously as science merely tries to describe natural phenomena, that was already given name and meaning. Science can therefore go on even without atheists, since it was here long before them and conception of "disbelief". It is not in opposition to religion, it is its complement. On the other hand science cant go on without faith, as it loses its meaning and becomes merely tool of those in power.
404  Economy / Speculation / Re: What is the right number of BTC to own in order to become rich in 10 years?? on: May 17, 2017, 06:20:32 PM
How do you define rich?

For me its someone, who is independant of corporate/state employment to meet basic needs.

I could manage to do that on 15k USD a year. Less than 100k would be needed for turning your life around like that. Thats for me. 10 bitcoins should be enough.

However, do you need your own harem, jetplane and private army of mercenaries? Then, maybe even 1000 bitcoins wont be enough to pay for everything you consider to be privilege of "the rich"...
405  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people believe in religion? on: May 17, 2017, 06:12:20 PM
There are many religious people on earth. Even the vast majority of the world believes in monotheistic religions.
And often they do not question belief systems. There are many people who have Christian, Muslim and Jewish beliefs.

Why do they still believe in religion? I can not understand why people believe in religions in the age when we can reach the information so quickly.

2 main reasons:

1. fear of the dark death.
2. stupidity.


Funny, that you mention intelligence since so far, people, who have problem with english language, argumentation and basic human decency on this thread are firmly located in atheist camp.

But perhaps I shouldnt be suprised, the worst crimes against humanity in the past one hundred years were brought upon world by these atheists. All the more tragic, that people like you, who were raised crippled without ounce of humility extert so much effort to undo all the work of your ancestors. But those were pious people, so...

1. english isn't my native but i'm sure u got my point rigth.
2. i have nothing against the general idea of god (i.e. deism, pantheism) but if you believe in a personified jewish or other fairy-tale character, it means that you have mental disfunction.

how dare you defend religion and at the same time enjoy the benefits that science and technology have given you?

give at least one example of the achievement of religion over the past 100 years?

1. What are your archievements in your entire life?

You see the fallacy you have committed? Vast majority of knowledge and yes, 2. even technology was developed over tremendous amount of time by scholars, who were religious. In fact many of them still are as archievement and meanigful work is impossible without personal faith in the purpose of your work.

Modern west was build up by people with protestant morals, who were intitially dependant on knowledge savoured by eastern christians and muslims. Unbelieving heathens afterall dont see any value in knowledge itself, but merely its momentary profitability. And here we are today. Again.

I dont have problem using technology while having bible by my side, as one led Man to another. You are showing cognitive dissonance as in belief, that you were somehow created in vacuum without history or culture behind yourself. Everything you have and know today was developed by somebody before you.

So back to your question. What did religion archieve?

3. Religion shapes culture and culture then shapes civilization. You take the last one for granted and choose to not see inherent value of the other two. It will come and bite you later as every culture continue to exist on principles upon which it was founded upon. When you remove the pillars of your house, sooner or later it crumbles on your head.


1. i've got a phd (physics and math).

2. yep, once it was the same thing, like astronomy and astrology but now science is free of this dirt.

3. we have an example of a completely religious state – IS (the islamic state of iraq and the levant). so why don't u move there and taste all the delights of religious sovereignty?

1. I am calling bullshit, not the least, because of your abysmal reasoning.

2. And what is its purpose then, dear Phd?

3. I forgive you. Otherwise, I would have to send you to atheist paradise in North Korea  Wink or is Third Reich more akin to your taste? Anyhow, how does it feel, when others treat you like a subhuman for your beliefs, dear Phd? Is that where education and reason brought you? I doubt it.
406  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: May 17, 2017, 06:03:55 PM
It's indeed necessary. Otherwise, too many people will be killed continuosly.

Yeah, because states have such great track record at protecting people from hurting themselves. If you put all people, who were killed by guns in self defense in the United States on one list. Since 18th century. It would still be topped by anybody on this list:

You know, unarmed people make for great victims. Regardless if their executioner has approval of state or not. On the other hand, who ever bothered to count all lives saved by weapons? Gas pump station employee, who fended off attackers? Mother, who defended herself by gun from would be rapist?



407  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people believe in religion? on: May 17, 2017, 05:39:12 PM
There are many religious people on earth. Even the vast majority of the world believes in monotheistic religions.
And often they do not question belief systems. There are many people who have Christian, Muslim and Jewish beliefs.

Why do they still believe in religion? I can not understand why people believe in religions in the age when we can reach the information so quickly.

2 main reasons:

1. fear of the dark death.
2. stupidity.


Funny, that you mention intelligence since so far, people, who have problem with english language, argumentation and basic human decency on this thread are firmly located in atheist camp.

But perhaps I shouldnt be suprised, the worst crimes against humanity in the past one hundred years were brought upon world by these atheists. All the more tragic, that people like you, who were raised crippled without ounce of humility extert so much effort to undo all the work of your ancestors. But those were pious people, so...

1. english isn't my native but i'm sure u got my point rigth.
2. i have nothing against the general idea of god (i.e. deism, pantheism) but if you believe in a personified jewish or other fairy-tale character, it means that you have mental disfunction.

how dare you defend religion and at the same time enjoy the benefits that science and technology have given you?

give at least one example of the achievement of religion over the past 100 years?

What are your archievements in your entire life?

You see the fallacy you have committed? Vast majority of knowledge and yes, even technology was developed over tremendous amount of time by scholars, who were religious. In fact many of them still are as archievement and meanigful work is impossible without personal faith in the purpose of your work.

Modern west was build up by people with protestant morals, who were intitially dependant on knowledge savoured by eastern christians and muslims. Unbelieving heathens afterall dont see any value in knowledge itself, but merely its momentary profitability. And here we are today. Again.

I dont have problem using technology while having bible by my side, as one led Man to another. You are showing cognitive dissonance as in belief, that you were somehow created in vacuum without history or culture behind yourself. Everything you have and know today was developed by somebody before you.

So back to your question. What did religion archieve?

Religion shapes culture and culture then shapes civilization. You take the last one for granted and choose to not see inherent value of the other two. It will come and bite you later as every culture continue to exist on principles upon which it was founded upon. When you remove the pillars of your house, sooner or later it crumbles on your head.

408  Economy / Speculation / Re: Nights Watch by Afrikoin on: May 17, 2017, 05:07:18 PM
Seriously?

Anyone seen what's going on with UASF?

Luke suggesting we could switch to litecoin as the new bitcoin? or vertcoin? or another alt?

WTF?

BTC market dominance down to 49%? (whatever that means)

All is not well

If you want to know what's really going on, the btslack is where all the big blocker been hanging out.

Now not looking pretty

And a HF looks even more likely.

Not pretty.


edit thread https://twitter.com/LukeDashjr/status/864260563223928833

Okay, but what does that translate to exactly? Right now we are retesting ATH again. We pretty much recovered 100+ USD in price in single day. Dont you think thats impulse from teachnical analysis point of view?

The problems you are mentioning are indeed all real, but none of them (with the exception of market cap) is new or unexpected. Furthermore, if the alts fail to suppress bitcoin all that money will flow into it fueling the bubble.

I am not disagreeing, its just difficult to see how exactly are the new old problems supposed to stop Bitcoin from making new heights later this month.
409  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are rich countries rich and poor countries poor? on: May 17, 2017, 05:02:27 PM
Precisely. Gulf States usually have relatively small aristocratic class on top, who have jobs in public sector created for them. Real work is done by foreign specialists and slave labourers from Asia and Africa. When you realize that all those vast natural resources are all used up by couple of hundred of thousands individuals it makes sense.

I don't understand why these Asians and Africans prefer to work in Saudi Arabia. Almost all the women are sexually abused and tortured, and even the men are forced to give homosexual favors to their employers. Check these:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/21/world/meast/saudi-filipino-maid/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-filipino-philippines-maid-raped-by-employer-dies-in-hospital-a7207041.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/woman-allegedly-tortured-to-death-by-her-employer-in-saudi-arabia-a7020551.html
http://time.com/4067663/saudi-woman-india-hand-chopped-employer-sushma-swaraj/
http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/saudi-businesswoman-faces-charges-of-torturing-maid-to-death-1.1571909

Its all about perspective, friend. When you are growing up in slums, what would you rather do? Prostitute yourself to make it as another throw away refugee into european camp. Or try arab recruitment agency? Of course they dont tell you about the conditions. If nothing else, Arabs are good at persuasion.

They show the poor kid this:



Not this:

410  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: May 17, 2017, 04:37:15 PM


You and your science guys all over this thread arent addressing actual questions, you are merely offended by the fact, that somebody even has audicity to question Mr. Darwins theory. Darwin was anglican christian by the way.


I just did man!
And there is no problem with evolution and religion as long as you're not dumb enough to think that god created all species. You can believe that god created the world AND the evolution process.

And we're offended by the fact that you reject this scientifically proved theory without giving any argument :/

I did not reject it, you would know, if youve read this thread before reacting. I do question it and the miserables around here, who cant even make difference between Flynn effect and Darwinian theory of evolution (thought out by christian, no less) proves me right. How many here actually did read his book? I did.

People here take evolution theory even with its numerous shortcomings as undisputable fact, when some of them even have problem describing the process.

Absolutely no one here, dared to explain how one species develops into two others, who cant interbreed even though they share same geographic area. No one. Legitimate question, sir.

What we got instead are insults and attacks in the style of: "Oh, if you dont take this theory of english protestant guy for granted, then you believe Earth is flat!"

What the fuck?
411  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why There's No Shootings In The US Anymore? on: May 17, 2017, 04:28:46 PM
If you carefully study the incidents of mass shootings in the United States, then you will definitely notice one particular fact. The vast majority of the shootings (or at least the ones with multiple casualties) occur in gun-free zones.

Very good point, Sithara.

Lunatics work like intra-species predators - they dont pick on people, who can readily return blows twice as hard. There are no mass shootings at NRA rallies, at gun ranges, at police stations.

Every society has some psychopaths within, that cant be avoided. But not all have the need to show them where to look for unarmed victims.
412  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How To Avoid All Terrorists In Planes - Travel By Train - Easy And Simple on: May 17, 2017, 04:19:50 PM
We all know how terrorists love airplanes, so the best way how to escape from terrorists would be - travel by train !!! There are also express trains, which move quite fast, so terrorist problem is solved.  Grin

I hope that you are joking here.
Terrorist already attacked trains in the past, and also airplanes, buses, used trucks etc.
So, there is no such thing as ''safe transport'' or ''safe place'' any more.
Terrorists can attack in any place, at any moment.
It's very serious and sensitive topic, so please be careful with your comments.


Why? There is no better defense against fanatics than humor.

Your apocalyptic visions are not really supported by numbers either. Statistics readily show from where do terrorists come from, where do they attack often and how readily are locals responding.
413  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Gay "Recruitment" on: May 17, 2017, 03:34:46 PM
to pedophiles

Russian Federation legal age for marriage is 14 in some circonstances.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

Interestingly, age of consent is legally different from being able to marry. In my country, age of consent is 15, you are also criminilly responsible at 15, you can marry at 18 (?), look or shoot your own pornography at 18 (?!) and get gun permit at 21. There is little logic behind it.

If society considers you old enough to engage in sex and being accountable in front of court, then why not the rest?

In some underdeveloped countries girls get married in 9 years. It's probably the only way to marry a virgin. Part of Russia includes the Muslim regions and there in the mountain villages of 14 years is already a lot for the bride.

Its not, where the hell do you live in? Brooklyn? I know of two women, one muslim, one jewish, who are virgins at the age of twenty. Both waiting for wedding. Its not that unheard of either.
414  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Gay "Recruitment" on: May 17, 2017, 01:16:34 PM
The whole gay recruitment thing is only a joke. Why can't "gayness" be genetic? Maybe it's multiple recessive genes? That would mean that straight people are, OMG, creating new gays all the time.

Sure. And some people are surely born with a weak spot for children or animals. Does it mean we are now supposed to donate to pedophiles and zoophiles? Let them parade around classrooms?

Where will you liberals ever stop? I guess, only at death, since you lack any moral compass whatsoever.

415  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: May 17, 2017, 01:10:32 PM
You are getting trolled mainpmf.
It is a lose lose situation when you try to explain some 6000 year earth believers how evolution works.


Okurkabinladin: good example. You and ridery99 would make great muslims.
They too think mohammed split the moon and of course that evolution is a bigly conspiracy Roll Eyes

Let me repeat it for you, "Criptix".

You and your science guys all over this thread arent addressing actual questions, you are merely offended by the fact, that somebody even has audicity to question Mr. Darwins theory. Darwin was anglican christian by the way.

Let that sink in for a moment.

416  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How To Avoid All Terrorists In Planes - Travel By Train - Easy And Simple on: May 17, 2017, 11:56:00 AM
Seriously? Historically trains have been subjects of terrorism, when they were the most popular transport, and if they managed to blow up those trains in Madrid back in 2004 in the train station(supposedly secure) imagine how easily they can ambush or simply derail them while they're in transit.

Yes, terrorists can also travel in trains. And here it seems to me to penetrate them much easier than on an airplane.

Actually, this raises interesting point.

How common are train attacks? Once per decade? Vast majority of humankind travels by public transportation system, not by planes. Yet, we are almost never witnessing these attacks.

It might be, that planes are inherently more high profile targets. Even one man with grenade can kill everything aboard a plane and the news about it will go around the world. Derailed train? Nah.
417  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people believe in religion? on: May 17, 2017, 11:42:39 AM
There are many religious people on earth. Even the vast majority of the world believes in monotheistic religions.
And often they do not question belief systems. There are many people who have Christian, Muslim and Jewish beliefs.

Why do they still believe in religion? I can not understand why people believe in religions in the age when we can reach the information so quickly.

2 main reasons:

1. fear of the dark death.
2. stupidity.


Funny, that you mention intelligence since so far, people, who have problem with english language, argumentation and basic human decency on this thread are firmly located in atheist camp.

But perhaps I shouldnt be suprised, the worst crimes against humanity in the past one hundred years were brought upon world by these atheists. All the more tragic, that people like you, who were raised crippled without ounce of humility extert so much effort to undo all the work of your ancestors. But those were pious people, so...
418  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people believe in religion? on: May 17, 2017, 11:26:35 AM
There are many religious people on earth. Even the vast majority of the world believes in monotheistic religions.
And often they do not question belief systems. There are many people who have Christian, Muslim and Jewish beliefs.

Why do they still believe in religion. I can not understand why people believe in religions in the age when we can reach the information so quickly.

Now only those who are not sufficiently informed in the field of science can believe in religion and can not find an explanation for all things.

So tell me, why are you here, sir? I mean on Earth, not this thread in particular. What do you do here and what is your purpose?

The belief that we can understand life through science alone is like trying to understand a desert by counting every single stone and pebble in it.

You can try to google it, though. Good luck.
419  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Seasteading on: May 17, 2017, 11:16:50 AM
How would you be protected from pirates and such? Most countries can't protect their citizen on land and can't effectvally watch all waterflow.

Also a certain nation in Asia(North Korea) has reports of abducting people from boats in sea, they may attack you and the outside world would never know what happened.

And I don't think the nations and people fleeing to live outside their jurisdiction, I think even the "host" nation would be a threat

Pirates? We don't develop near nations where pirating is common. Also...guns.

If any project starts out with "we have to be able to defend ourselves against nations" then it's dead from the start. Imagine if everyone considering buying a boat thought "I can't buy this boat, Korea may attack me".

You are not talking about buying a boat, you are talking about starting a country.

Country that cant defend itself from something as meager as third world pirates is no country.

We dont live 1960s anymore.
420  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What they are earning? on: May 17, 2017, 11:04:22 AM
Theoretically this is possible, but the Chinese don't have good technology. They only produce products. What is the point to move production from China to Europe? The owner of the technology can do it without China. The Chinese can become the investors to build new plants outside of China, but then the money will support the economies of other countries. Why is China? They see problems in the U.S. associated with the relocation of production to China.

Chinese have the technology. You know how? West has been busy exporting it to China for the last three decades.

The reason why they would outsource jobs is precisely the same, why west started to do it. Its profitable for the companies.

You already have large factories like that in Europe, so we are not talking about some distant future.

http://automotivelogistics.media/news/yanfeng-automotive-interiors-opens-second-czech-plant-to-supply-daimler
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