When your wealth comes from shitting on others you don't deserve your wealth.
This is a very socialist way of thinking, i.e. you can only gain wealth by shitting on others, therefor people with wealth don't deserve it. Really the only way to get wealth without shitting on others is by creating something someone wants, the other way is to use force, generally government, legislation, tax, subsidies etc. Thats wealth gained by shitting on others (i.e. robbed from people who produce), and thats something that the government does and facilitates others (banks, various corps) with as well. Look at us here, we're creators, ok so we're small for now but everything in bitcoin that is worth anything is so because it was created by someone and it brough value to others. GLBSE, deepbit, BitPay, MtGox and even bitcoin itself. If you want to attack corruption and the people who get their wealth by stealing, look at the government and their supporters. |
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Feels like a 1980s version of mastercard or visa, nice though, I remember the 80's with a fondness.
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Hello everyone, thought I'd ask this here are bitcoin tends to attract all sorts of creazies (found my way here, didn't I?)
I've justn finished reading the Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand ans as usual after reading her books, I'm confused. On the one hand there is a quite good storytelling skill, with mastery of the hero with a thousand faces as well as emphatic developement. On the other hand there is a very strong ugliness of spirit, appeal to man's (and woman, everyone is shit) baser instincts and social theories that generally only hold up to a mild breeze..
I'm not sure what I'm trying to discuss, but there should be enough fodder here for a few pages.
Oh yes, a question! Why do I like those books? I'm a dyed in the wool troskyite who has been that way for a very long time. Why do I like her style?b She's the moral equivalent of the root of negative one.
help?
When people ask me what I'm reading, I tell them a treatise about facist archistecture (the fountainhead) or motor design, how do we explain this shamefulk attraction to her work?
She was a sociopath and other sociopaths love her. She simply stated what was right, that people have a right to the wealth they produce, what they do with it is their business. |
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she understood the depth of Marx more than he did himself.
That may very well be right if we are talking about people and personalities. But even though my views are closer to hers, I would label Marx as an important philosopher and Rand a mediocre writer. I hope it makes sense. I acknowledge that she was onto something but there is a long way to go for it to become a sound philosophy. Marx was important in the same way that Hitler was, by the damage he caused, his "philosophy" of people who have are criminals so take what you want from them is like heroin to undeveloped minds, pleasing and damaging. Please don't compare Marx to Hitler. They are not the same at all! you could compare Stalin and Hitler if you really wanted to. just because you don't agree with Marx's philosophical point of view don't compare him to a dictator that committed genocide. its a false argument called "ad hitler rum"(fuck the spelling.) Comparing him only in the damage done, in fact the followers of Marx have done far greater damage, death, destruction and robbery than anything Hitler ever accomplished. Moa killed between 40-80 million as a direct result of his policies, forgot how many Stalin killed (15 million?) You do know that most people supporting Marx, do not support crazy dictators, right? People in the soviet union, specifically Lenin, was not happy about Stalin becoming the new leader. Lenin did not trust Stalin. I don't know much about Mao, but if i was a Marxist, i would not be happy about him. Every attempt to impose Marxism (of any form) ultimately ends in a dictatorship, and Atlas Shrugged explains in great detail exactly why. The philosophy of from each according to his ability, to each according to his need is entirely self defeating and requires force (i.e. dictatorship) to continue. Why would some who is a producer contiue to produce according to their ability when it's only taken off them and given to others according to their need. And the needs always rise (just look at feckless single mothers paid by the state in the UK and Ireland). Here is an except that specifically addresses this problem http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=36055 |
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she understood the depth of Marx more than he did himself.
That may very well be right if we are talking about people and personalities. But even though my views are closer to hers, I would label Marx as an important philosopher and Rand a mediocre writer. I hope it makes sense. I acknowledge that she was onto something but there is a long way to go for it to become a sound philosophy. Marx was important in the same way that Hitler was, by the damage he caused, his "philosophy" of people who have are criminals so take what you want from them is like heroin to undeveloped minds, pleasing and damaging. Please don't compare Marx to Hitler. They are not the same at all! you could compare Stalin and Hitler if you really wanted to. just because you don't agree with Marx's philosophical point of view don't compare him to a dictator that committed genocide. its a false argument called "ad hitler rum"(fuck the spelling.) Comparing him only in the damage done, in fact the followers of Marx have done far greater damage, death, destruction and robbery than anything Hitler ever accomplished. Moa killed between 40-80 million as a direct result of his policies, forgot how many Stalin killed (15 million?) |
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The means to manufacture weapons (guns) has been available to most people at the cost of 1-2K USD in machining equipment and a little ingenuity. For example, some interesting submachine gun plans here http://thehomegunsmith.com/I've had an idea for a Six Shooter Shotgun made from pipes floating around my head for the last couple of days (making a single shot - shotgun requires some steel pipes, a bit of wod and a nail). The most difficult part to machine is the rifling in the barrel (the lack of which makes the above sub-machine gun very innacurate). All 3D printers do is bring this ability to someone who doesn't do metalwork. Really I'm surprised that there are not traveling arms factories drifting around places like the US, UK and other countries, they'd make a fortune pumping out cheap, low quality guns and ammo. |
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she understood the depth of Marx more than he did himself.
That may very well be right if we are talking about people and personalities. But even though my views are closer to hers, I would label Marx as an important philosopher and Rand a mediocre writer. I hope it makes sense. I acknowledge that she was onto something but there is a long way to go for it to become a sound philosophy. Marx was important in the same way that Hitler was, by the damage he caused, his "philosophy" of people who have are criminals so take what you want from them is like heroin to undeveloped minds, pleasing and damaging. |
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On the one hand there is a quite good storytelling skill, with mastery of the hero with a thousand faces as well as emphatic developement. On the other hand there is a very strong ugliness of spirit, appeal to man's (and woman, everyone is shit) baser instincts and social theories that generally only hold up to a mild breeze..
Disclaimer: I haven't done any research on Rand, below is merely what I get from reading some of her books a long time ago.
She has terrible writing skills, the books are filled with repetitive arguments which lack subtlety and philosophical insight, so far that I 'm sure she didn't have enough depth to understand where Marx was coming from, which made her get stuck in the conventional moral dichotomy. Having said that, I almost fully agree with her central point in Atlas Shrugged. The problem is, when faced with the evident challenge, her heroes would either melt away or turn to abusing the abusers, in effect becoming more like them. Which is also what I see in the real world. The reasons for optimism do not stand out in the book and the solution it alludes to isn't actually there. Essentially, the heroes all died and went to capitalist heaven, which is what will happen to all people who empathize with her heroes (including me). Either that, or the message is "hang in there bro"?  I'll tell you where Marx came from, a wealthy family who married aristocracy, watched his family live in squalor, poverty and starvation (some of whom died as a result) and refused to work A SINGLE DAY IN HIS LIFE, and wrote a book about how unfair it was that other people who worked should share their hard earned gains with the likes of him. His entire philosophy is anti-human, anything he didn't like he decided should be removed, family didn't like..BOOM, get rid of it. Rand grew up and studied lived in the Soviet Union (before Stalin got ahold of the reigns and the shit REALLY hit the fan), she understood the depth of Marx more than he did himself. |
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Never in the book(Atlas shrugged) does it say be an asshole to people, simple that people shouldn't be compelled to be nice and share against their will, plenty of room to be charitable for those with a heart. |
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Firstly I'm based in the UK (right now in China but that is temporary), which suffers a lot less from corrupt officials than the likes of Brazil Oh but there was no corruption in this. At least if you define corruption as "not respecting the law", this was not corrupt at all. The law was strictly and actually efficiently applied. And that's the whole problem. Contrary to popular belief, the main problem with countries like Brazil are not the corrupt officials. These actually give people some air to breath. They allow you, through some bribe, to avoid the worst. It's precisely those who efficiently apply the laws, like this Otávio Yazbek, that fuck us all. (Of course, officials who ignore all crappy laws and let people live their lives in peace without requiring any bribe are preferable to the corrupt ones, but these are unfortunately quite rare...) Either what I'm doing is legal or illegal, running a stock exchange for a virtual curreny, good luck proving thats illegal.
Not wanting to be negative, as I sincerely appreciate what you've done (GLBSE), but I'm pretty sure they can find tons of laws you're breaking. I think you're putting yourself in danger by operating GLBSE without hiding your identity. I'd like to be wrong on this one though.  This is a common stategy of overbearing governments (China being a prime example) where nearly everything is illegal (officially, meaning there is a law against that action which could be applied), the only way to get anything done is to bribe or pull strings. Often there are laws there which are almost never applied, except in the situation where the state wants to take someone down. For example, did you know that it is illegal to have pre-marital sex in mainland China? It's never applied (as you can imagine there are plenty of people sleeping around here), but it's there, ready to be used when it needs to be. However I believe that the concerns about me running GLBSE are well placed, I still don't think that it's large enough to warrant official attention in the UK at least just yet. I believe my next step will be to separate the deveopment of GLBSE and it's running. With the development being tied to my public identity. Did you mean to say America? Probably America too, but it's much more obvious in places like China, take for example the definition of a state secret in China, anything that is said in public that is not approved by the government. Only applied when someone has pissed off the wrong person in the communist party. |
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I thought Atlas was an interesting story. But she likes to exhault the virtuous side of the guilded age wealthy elites while glossing over the awful outcomes it brought most Americans. She has to invent greedy government agencies and forget about the profound greed that brought down the markets in the 20's. I think "There will be blood" is a better look into the minds of such barrons.
I'm sorry but she didn't have to invent these agencies, she grew up in the SovietUnion and knew full well what the application of communism was, besides today do you not see Atlas shrugged playing out in slow motion? |
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Firstly I'm based in the UK (right now in China but that is temporary), which suffers a lot less from corrupt officials than the likes of Brazil Oh but there was no corruption in this. At least if you define corruption as "not respecting the law", this was not corrupt at all. The law was strictly and actually efficiently applied. And that's the whole problem. Contrary to popular belief, the main problem with countries like Brazil are not the corrupt officials. These actually give people some air to breath. They allow you, through some bribe, to avoid the worst. It's precisely those who efficiently apply the laws, like this Otávio Yazbek, that fuck us all. (Of course, officials who ignore all crappy laws and let people live their lives in peace without requiring any bribe are preferable to the corrupt ones, but these are unfortunately quite rare...) Either what I'm doing is legal or illegal, running a stock exchange for a virtual curreny, good luck proving thats illegal.
Not wanting to be negative, as I sincerely appreciate what you've done (GLBSE), but I'm pretty sure they can find tons of laws you're breaking. I think you're putting yourself in danger by operating GLBSE without hiding your identity. I'd like to be wrong on this one though. This is a common stategy of overbearing governments (China being a prime example) where nearly everything is illegal (officially, meaning there is a law against that action which could be applied), the only way to get anything done is to bribe or pull strings. Often there are laws there which are almost never applied, except in the situation where the state wants to take someone down. For example, did you know that it is illegal to have pre-marital sex in mainland China? It's never applied (as you can imagine there are plenty of people sleeping around here), but it's there, ready to be used when it needs to be. However I believe that the concerns about me running GLBSE are well placed, I still don't think that it's large enough to warrant official attention in the UK at least just yet. I believe my next step will be to separate the deveopment of GLBSE and it's running. With the development being tied to my public identity. |
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When the new server arrives then I'll increase the limit by 2x or something along those lines, in the meantime other changes on the way.
Sto. a twitter feed for dividends will be added also.
Why not generate a static page for the API every time a change occurs? I've done this on sites that needed fresh results without bogging down the database. That way you're turning potentially hundreds of DB queries into one DB query & hundreds of static html requests. Yeah someone mentioned this in IRC (you?) for the most part this is certainly the route that we'll be taking. |
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So a government does the only sensible thing and treats Bitcoin as money or dare I say "virtual currency" and this is an attack on Bitcoin by a "parasitic" government. I do not think so. For many of us that is good news.
They've forbidden a group of people from making money together. No fraud or crime had happened. Leandro was not hiding his identity. In what universe can such prohibition be good news?? If they decide to apply all their stupid and corrupt laws to bitcoin as they apply to "their money", they'll just make the bitcoin ecosystem almost as awful as the traditional financial system. Maybe you should read this: http://themonetaryfuture.blogspot.com/2011/11/air-guitars-and-bitcoin-regulation.htmlI think the key to this whole event it this Leandro was not hiding his identity. , this is where he went wrong, or at least he didn't think it would matter. Had his identity been kept a secret then they could have done nothing, not knowing who he was they would have been unable to prosecute, or even send him a letter with angry words. I think we know the direction that needs to be taken regarding the identity of people doing things in bitcoin land. Really I think this is a case of the right people not being bribed. Doesn't that concern you in regards to GLBSE? You're also not anonymous. Far from it. This is something I've also thought about and I don't think I'm in the same boat as this gentleman for a number of reasons. Firstly I'm based in the UK (right now in China but that is temporary), which suffers a lot less from corrupt officials than the likes of Brazil (and especially China). Either what I'm doing is legal or illegal, running a stock exchange for a virtual curreny, good luck proving thats illegal. |
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Please add "Last trade price" to https://glbse.com/portfolio > Assets table. And please add: Total market value too. Next div date, last div paid (what received) This will eliminate multiple unnecessary clicks and page loads. As mentioned before, one needs to click way too many pages to get any idea whats really going on. BTW, after you limited API requests to 10 per minute, I can not update my googledocs table. I do not refresh my table more than few times a day but I have more than 10 different securities in my portfolio.  When the new server arrives then I'll increase the limit by 2x or something along those lines, in the meantime other changes on the way. Sto. a twitter feed for dividends will be added also. |
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So a government does the only sensible thing and treats Bitcoin as money or dare I say "virtual currency" and this is an attack on Bitcoin by a "parasitic" government. I do not think so. For many of us that is good news.
They've forbidden a group of people from making money together. No fraud or crime had happened. Leandro was not hiding his identity. In what universe can such prohibition be good news?? If they decide to apply all their stupid and corrupt laws to bitcoin as they apply to "their money", they'll just make the bitcoin ecosystem almost as awful as the traditional financial system. Maybe you should read this: http://themonetaryfuture.blogspot.com/2011/11/air-guitars-and-bitcoin-regulation.htmlI think the key to this whole event it this Leandro was not hiding his identity. , this is where he went wrong, or at least he didn't think it would matter. Had his identity been kept a secret then they could have done nothing, not knowing who he was they would have been unable to prosecute, or even send him a letter with angry words. I think we know the direction that needs to be taken regarding the identity of people doing things in bitcoin land. Really I think this is a case of the right people not being bribed. |
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On a related note, I'm going to be separating charts and the API (for chart information, but not for trades) into a separate application, moving it to a another server, I'm thinking of OpenSourcing this as well.
Opinions on the opensourcing part?
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Do we get an explanation of what the loan is for?
So I don't have to wait for other funds to arrive, which is why the time period is a little variable and short (not sure if it will be 1 week or 3). Has to be a transfer from a british bank, withdrawing from Gox is a pain and takes too long. |
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Funds to be transfered domestically to a UK bank account.
Interest paid in BTC
Nefario.
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I made some changes which have sped the site up, more are on the way over the coming few days for the same purpose (making things faster). We're also going to see the end of reserve for BTC in your account so you'll be able to place more orders in the next couple of days as well. In about a week we'll have a new server up n running which will do two things, increase the site speed for EVERYONE  and will give us a kind of hot swap should one of the two servers go down for whatever reason. Much more coming. |
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