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421  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 01, 2014, 12:59:39 AM
"OK, guys, set it next to the old wooden crates..."

My order has arrived.  Will post the unboxing video ASAP.  Exciting!



This is what $2.5 mil worth of VMC gear looks like


422  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 01, 2014, 12:45:57 AM
No, because each of the miners at Eligius is hashing at 24.5 TH. Unless that mining operation in the article bought Fast-Hash Platinum One fully-loaded units.
423  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 01, 2014, 12:33:16 AM
I asked operator of Eligius pool wizkid057 if he could post confirmation that top miner in his pool is not ActM. He did so on Hashfast thread on 29th Dec because they were also excited it may be them.  He has activity today so has had opportunity to settle this once and for all however has not.  Maybe not proof it is ActM but if it was ActM he would not post here. Also top miner in Eligius makes more in 24 hours than Okyo owes Mr Slaughter.
It is ActM (or Ken "secretly mining on his own" as some suggest - I don't think that, BTW) - there isn't any other explanation for it. It is likely not a customer because they are limited to two base-stations per customer - the operation on Eligius requires 10 base stations.
424  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: December 31, 2013, 11:14:08 PM
Fuck the law. Lets get this shit on the road.
Seriously, this convo about the shares is about as boring as all fuck. Lets do more speculation.
425  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: December 31, 2013, 06:14:05 PM
Doesn't really answer why hash increments of 25 TH. That really only fits with ActM.
Please... do you still not understand VMC's products? These are not 24TH single unit miners. Actually, the whole "innovation" was to be modular.

Just stop watching Eligius. If there are actual good news, they will be told by kslaugther.

Exactly you can easily check our Div address to see if this is us or not. Nothing else has to be said or done.
I know they are not single units but there isn't any reasonable explanation for the consistent and repeated 25 TH increments... such increments can only bring to mind the maxed-out Platinums from VMC. There is a base unit with up to six expansion units. So, Each 24.567 TH unit consists of a Base + 6 expansion units. So, they do function as whole units, which would make sense that the hash rate is jumping up and down by 25 TH exactly each time. Otherwise we would see dips of 3 TH and then maybe 12 TH or 6.8 TH, etc. You can't run the expansion units alone, you need the base unit. There were only two base units allowed per customer, so the only way this could be someone else is if multiple customers joined together through separate purchases.

If Ken wanted to "secretly" establish our mining operation and switched to a different pool (i.e., Eligius with no fees) he may have created a different payout address to be revealed at a later date.
426  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: December 31, 2013, 05:56:46 AM
Ukyo shut down the damn trading site, how could he liquidate his shares? That is his damn fault for scamming everyone to come over to his exchange. I can't even get my bitcoin off there. He was using other people's bitcoin to buy shares on his exchange.
427  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: December 31, 2013, 05:43:06 AM
Could be cryptx PETA-MINE no?  Fits with dates and figures I think.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280570.0

http://www.cryptx.com/

edit using Cointerra chips?

Doesn't really answer why hash increments of 25 TH. That really only fits with ActM. Its not likely to see such even fluctuations with a bunch of 2-3 TH miners. They also already had 20 TH - this operation started out with 9 TH.
428  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: December 31, 2013, 04:57:23 AM
We get it guys; its not HashFast and its not ActM. We don't have to continuously repeat this. It could be our first shipment from November though. The fact that they stayed confidential about who got the hardware and the fact that this person slowly adding TH to his operation hasn't come forward do suggest that we shipped our low volume chips to this user along with Canadian and whoever else was lucky enough to order first.
Why would we ship other people product before adding to our hashing power? Makes no sense. If these are VMC miners they are hashing for ActM. Bargraphics wouldn't tell us honestly if it was ActM because everyone wants to get cheap shares.

Because we have an obligation to our customers. It seems a lot of you guys don't exactly understand how a business is run. Ken has promised full refunds if we did not ship. So what do we do? We ship. All of our income was a liability until we actually shipped a product, we could not reasonably spend it on our own hardware if it was money needed to insure that we got our product to our customers. Then we reap the profits to pay for our own stuff.

You can't just take peoples money and use it for yourself if you don't want a ruined reputation and lawsuits on your hands. You guys seem to understand this when you pay for something, but not when someone pays you.
You can ship them their product on the next batch. Shareholders are the first customers as we don't have any ownership in the company.
429  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: December 31, 2013, 04:40:00 AM
We get it guys; its not HashFast and its not ActM. We don't have to continuously repeat this. It could be our first shipment from November though. The fact that they stayed confidential about who got the hardware and the fact that this person slowly adding TH to his operation hasn't come forward do suggest that we shipped our low volume chips to this user along with Canadian and whoever else was lucky enough to order first.
Why would we ship other people product before adding to our hashing power? Makes no sense. If these are VMC miners they are hashing for ActM. Bargraphics wouldn't tell us honestly if it was ActM because everyone wants to get cheap shares.
430  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: December 31, 2013, 03:13:39 AM
I dont understand why all this is still under NDA?
This seems like a plausible connection considering the hashrate and electricity usage. I have always figured that we were working with alot more than 3TH ever since deposits from those chips stopped.

Hopefully Ken can clarify how much we actually have hashing and get our damn shares trading again, this is getting ridiculous
If this is Ken it looks like he had about 9 TH running prior to Dec. 24th. The BTCGuild account is still up but haven't tried to calculate the hashrate. The 9 TH could have been from the sample chips in early-mid Nov. There are basically 10 25 TH miners and a 9 TH something. We know they are divided into 25 TH each because they come up and go down by that hash rate.

I think Ken wanted to launch a sneak attack and catch competitors by surprise, whether that is a worthwhile goal has been questioned by some in this thread. But regardless, it makes sense to me, any information you don't have to provide to competitors, don't provide it. If a competitor knew that they were going to lose a significant percentage of their hash rate months in advance, they could sooner adjust plans to compensate.
431  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: December 31, 2013, 03:11:12 AM
The short-term complete power-downs could be the electrical installer cutting the live feed so that he can safely add more conections/breakers to the circuit. Isolation switches should be in place for this but in a new installation created in a rush you might require the occasional dead circuit to make alterations or new outlets.
That is possible...they last about 10 minutes each.

I'm not sure that one could use this much power from a residential line. I imagine this much power would require some specialized industrial arrangement. You are talking about 200,000 Watts with a setup like this.
432  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Bitcoin will be dead before mining factor comes at 0.01 USD/24h@1GHash/s !!! on: December 31, 2013, 02:15:08 AM
Bitcoin prices can not follows the increase that follows the difficulties, consequently mining factor decreases.

View Screen Capture

for next 3-4 days diff rise over 1.13 bilion,
What when diff comes at 1000 bilion, anyone want to pay bitcoin per his real price, 100 000 usd or much more ?
People will pay whatever bitcoins are worth.
433  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: December 31, 2013, 12:31:10 AM
Two of the 25 TH miners went down. Must be having some hardware/software difficulties or power-draw issues. Each one is drawing about 20,000 Watts. The whole system went down and then only 200 TH returned + the initial 9 TH. No other miner on Eligius is having these issues even though they are bringing new miners on over the last few days. That means that whoever is managing this operation is still working-out kinks in their miners, which would generally not be the case with final products from a manufacturer who was shipping consumer units. You can see in the chart below all of the power issues each time there is a power draw increase - as if the breaker is tripping. But there are also other minor "failures" throughout which are not systemic, which likely implies hardware/software issues or even miners on different breakers. But if they were on different breakers, this wouldn't explain why the entire system would go down.



The large down-time on the 28th was an Eligius-wide issue, not isolated to this miner.
434  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: December 30, 2013, 07:27:29 PM
They are almost certainly not ActM miners, so no worries there. ActM would need 10,000 overclocked chips to achieve 200th/s and I strongly doubt that ActM would have that many with sample + low volume - sent out machines.
They need 8 fully-loaded Platinum One miners.

Speaking of which, where would they be hosted? Last I recall ActM no longer had the SU facility due to the Avalons never being built and no new facilities have been announced. So is the plan to host them in the garage with the work benches or in a different facility?
Not sure, but if you notice that everytime new hashing power is added to that account, the entire hash rate drops like a stone. As if the miners are shutting down - e.g., a tripped breaker. May not have enough amps on the receptacle wherever they are being hosted.
435  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: December 30, 2013, 07:11:48 PM
They are almost certainly not ActM miners, so no worries there. ActM would need 10,000 overclocked chips to achieve 200th/s and I strongly doubt that ActM would have that many with sample + low volume - sent out machines.
They need 8 fully-loaded Platinum One miners.
436  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: December 30, 2013, 07:08:40 PM
I hope these arent ActM miners otherwise may have missed opportunity and need to act fast when trading happens.  Another thought is that everyone is assuming the photo taken of quiet workbenches was taken around the time of photo posted but could it have been taken weeks before that?  I hope not or Ill end up with small shares but Im mostly buying and holding BTC so will be happy anyway.  Whatever people say from an outsiders view this looks like the calm before the storm.
Exactly what I thought. There is no way to know when that picture was taken or the context Ken was commenting in. It could have been like a caption speaking of a past event.


Steve Jobs and Wozniak working on the Apple I

Edit: Crumbs pointed-out that the picture is electronically dated.
437  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: December 30, 2013, 05:34:16 PM
Looks like even more hashing power is coming on-line at Eligius... at least another 25 TH.
438  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: December 30, 2013, 04:47:27 PM
No he couldn't, unless you think ActM will be using different chips for their mine than what they will ship to customers.

Ken hasn't had the chips back yet. End of story.
You don't really know what he has and what he doesn't, whether he got an initial batch of sample chips or not. In early November, he stated he was going to be adding about 3 TH or more over the following weeks. That could have been from sample chips.

So, do you think Ken is lying about waiting for chips and has actually been mining since November and is keeping the bitcoin for himself?


He may be waiting for the mainline batch of chips with which to fulfill the orders made by customers who are not ActM, which he could have potentially had modified for whatever reason - intellihash or whatever. I'm not saying he is lying, just that he isn't giving all the details. He may also not be mining for himself but just trying to keep a lid on the fact that he has things up and running to some extent. If it was me, and I was going to try to gain a huge percentage of the network, I wouldn't want anyone else to know in advance but only after I had to reveal it. The later others knew, the better. Or Ken could have been a customer to VMC, purchasing the first batch of units from there. I don't know. But this recent hashing power boost has come within the last week alone - i.e., it wasn't present in Nov. or prior to Dec. 20-something. It started out hashing at around 9 TH.

I can say "Hey, the chips are going to be late." That doesn't mean that I don't already have chips, it could just mean that a certain batch of chips are going to be late, or a whole host of different things. If your wife asks, "Did you take the trash out?" You may say you did, but not in the same way that she thought. Maybe you just took it out of the house and piled it under the deck cause you didn't get it out in time for collection, but technically speaking, you "took it out" (i.e., carried it outside). But she is asking whether you took it out to the curb in time for collection.

I'm just speculating... I find it strange that someone is adding hashing power in increments perfectly divisible by 25 TH every couple days. Yeah, it could be 150 KNC miners or HashFast or CoinTerra miners, that just coincidentally are being added to the network in increments that suggest ActM Platinum miner's 24.5 TH spec.
439  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: December 30, 2013, 04:19:39 PM
No he couldn't, unless you think ActM will be using different chips for their mine than what they will ship to customers.

Ken hasn't had the chips back yet. End of story.
You don't really know what he has and what he doesn't, whether he got an initial batch of sample chips or not. In early November, he stated he was going to be adding about 3 TH or more over the following weeks. That could have been from sample chips.
440  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: December 30, 2013, 04:10:46 PM


Everyone should know this for a fact as Ken specifically told us in his last post that he was still waiting for the chips.

We are working on assembling everything, so when our boards and chips arrive, we can ship the miners fast.

He could be referring to the boards and chips that are going to customers other than ActM.
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