Thanks for the info. Researched, and looks like confirmed. So now the picture is a bit clearer: Putin, who's country is ultra-nationalist and has a whole lot of its own neo-Nazis, tried to destabilize Ukraine with fearmongering propaganda and military support (whom he claimed were "volunteers," but finally admitted were Russian military), but probably didn't count on Ukraine having its own set of ultra-nationalist volunteers to contend with. I guess this war isn't ending any time soon. Probably fine for Putin, as long as no one starts mining that gas in Eastern Ukraine, or let's Ukraine join NATO.


News source has a story I like? They might be biased, but I believe them!
News source has a story I don't like? Please! They're obviously lying!


I was searching for refugee numbers that moved further into Ukraine, and stumbled onto this:
"At the beginning of August, the United Nations Human Rights Commissioner (UNHRC), estimated that the number of individuals displaced by fighting in the eastern Ukraine Donetsk and Lugansk regions was around 102,600." (http://mobile.businessweek.com/articles/2014-08-28/refugees-from-the-fighting-in-eastern-ukraine-flood-kiev)

This probably refers to just the ones in Kiev, not the total amount, since there are a few articles claiming "almost a million to Russia," but I wonder if that could also just be newspapers reprinting a story they heard from other newspapers. There are news reports of Ukrainian refugees in Lviv and other parts of Ukraine as well (including first hand witness by my Kiev friend who said the schools are overcrowded with refugee kids), but I can't seem to find any numbers on them. Probably for the same reason: they are living with friends or family, and are hard to track, especially when they don't have to cross borders into foreign countries.

You obviously don't have any sources on that (except maybe something only from Russia), so I'm just going to call bullshit on that.

Seconded for Pocket Ninjas. In college we had a club that would meet once a week to watch really bad movies to make fun of them. We have seen some REALLY bad movies through the years. Pocken Ninjas was by far the worst, and was so horribly bad, that we actually had to stay two hours later in the night and watch a really good movie to cleanse ourselves (we watched "How to Steal a Million" for that)

Black guy, and in Texas? Well he's fucked 

Is this scientific proof? https://m.imgur.com/r/atheism/sJm6EiQ

Why do we build grand quote pyramids, and then some jerk has to come in and ruin them?

You forgot to quote the second sentence


Maybe your English isn't as good, but going through is not the same as producing. Russian gas is going through Ukraine. Ukraine is not producing a lot of gas.

If you believe that, then you have to believe that they are all there illegally, and without telling their friends and family, because you have to ask permission from military office to go do that during vacation and the person running that office said she never received any such requests, and I'm sure you have heard about all the Russian mothers complaining about not knowing where their sons were, and only finding out they were in Ukraine after they died. Plus you would have to believe that Russian soldiers who go on vacation can take tanks, trucks, buks, and howitzers with them.



If they were fighting against 1,000 Ukrainian soldiers, sure, but they may be fighting against thousands more. And also, taking Donbass may not even be their goal. Just keeping the fighting going is enough to keep Ukraine destabilized and not able to join NATO. Plus you can also win the war by draining Ukrainian army of its resources by slowly harassing them. Just like Iraq insurgency did to the much bigger USA army. Just need enough troops to keep everyone safe and from getting overrun.

Fresh as in swimming in an aquarium at the store? Or fresh as in refrigerated, but never frozen?

If only the Russian government did as much to reduce their numbers as it does to reduce the numbers of gay people

http://www.interpretermag.com/neo-nazis-and-nationalists-rally-at-the-russian-march/
http://imagine2050.newcomm.org/2013/11/22/thousands-of-russian-neo-nazis-nationalists-march-in-moscow/
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWnAyFoZUm0

$150 billion. Yanukovich, who is Putin's friend and puppet, stole $70 billion. When Ukraine's government becomes too corrupt, they rise up and kick then out, as they did with the Orange Revolution and the recent one. So whether it's more or less corrupt (and its corruption was from the Russian influenced side), at least they do something about it. What are Russians doing about their corruption, besides adoring the people robbing them blind?

Do you have a bigger version of that map with clearly visible country names? I can't tell if the countries with the dots in them are named USA. Just having a military base in a country doesn't mean the country is expanding its borders, since to set up a base you can buy the land and get permission from the government, you can pay the government to lease the land and use it for a base, or, like in some countries, you can even have the country pay you to have your base there and use your army for defense. In none of those cases are you actually required to charge your name to the name of the country with the base, learn their language, or vote for and submit to their presidents or rulers. Note that isn't the case if a country sends an army into your territory without your permission, kicks out your government, annexes you, and starts calling you by their own name. Like what USSR did, and like Russia is trying to with its old republics, most recently with Crimea.

Or is Crimea still part of Ukraine, but just has a Russian military base on it, like America has in Germany?

No, I mean the ones he admitted were fighting alongside the separatists around the end of August.


First of all, it's probably closer to 1,000 or more, considering the Russian soldier death toll so far. Plus all the trucks, tanks, howitzers, and other military hardware.
And second, it depends on what Putin wants. He may want all of Ukraine, which would require him to invade with a much bigger force. Or he might just want the Ukrainian gas fields in Eastern Ukraine, fearing that if Ukraine starts mining them and selling that gas to Europe, Russia will become insignificant and its economy would crumble. He doesn't need many troops for that, just enough to help the separatists control that small amount of territory. Or he may just want to destabilize Ukraine to prevent it from being able to join EU and NATO, and to punish it for kicking out his own corrupt puppet, or to spread enough fear about Ukraine among his own people so that Russians don't kick out their own extremely corrupt rullers just like Ukraine did. That requires even less troops - just enough to sabotage things and kill a few people here and there to keep the anger and fighting up.

No. We just make announcements here and Reddit, and on our mycelium.com website.

What constitution? You said the Ukrainian government is illegitimate. So no government and no constitution. And if you want to keep governments to a legal standard, start with the Russian government these guys are defending against.


Actually, the only difference is Ukraine wants to become slaves of EU and russians want to stay slaves of Putin junta. Putin's gang has already stolen $150 billion from Russians, and they still bend over and ask for more. At least being slaves of EU doesn't result in your freedoms being revoked, and your wealth and resources being pillaged by fascust governments.

You definitely know your neo-Nazis trivia! Must have spent years learning all about Nazism.

Pretty sure EVERYONE is talking about the Russian army that Putin admitted were therea few weeks ago.

Best we can guess is around end of this year, or early next year.

That's why I said "culture." Is very comparable to the culture of Atila the Hun mongols, wanting to continuously expand its borders, pilage other countries and even their own people (Putin's gang stole $150 billion from Russians), the crazy dangerous amounts of nationalism (Putin's 87% approval rating and Russia having more neo-Nazis than any other county), general lack of empathy for those they take over and opress, and apathy for the ones doing atrocities in their name, and the seemingly constant search for enemies to hate and be against (did you know the rest of the world, and even America, didn't think much of Russia for the last few decades, and even considered them an ally, even while Russia considered "the west" as its imperialistic enemy?)

You guys need to get your stories straight. You say the only ones left are Aidar Nazis, others are saying Mariupol has lots of Ukrainian army and separatists can't invade, another said NAF was pushed out by Ukrainian army... Please get your lies in order so you don't make up conflicting stories.