I closed kleoptra and reopened it.


it displays the same thing before I closed it





Name                                                                 email                               user id                          valid from        valid until    key-id


Thomas Voegtlin (https//electrum.org)                  thomasv@electrum.org       not certified                     6/5/2011                      xxxxxxxxxxxx



The key id contains numbers and letters but i just typed xxxxxxxxx.



I assume I need to right click on the whole thing and delete it?  Then click import and click on the ThomasV.asc file again?  Because if I just import the same file again... it would show like two of these files?

Do any of you use electrumSV though?  And by that, i mean keep your bitcoin SV in it on your computer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCG3c8a7HZI


So the message that showed up for me after I imported that ThomasV key is what you see right at the beginning of 3:52.  Its the first box you see with the Certificate Import Result- Kleopatra which show the total number processed, imported, changed.  I remember the numbers shown was the exact ones on that video.  That was the box I closed.  I then just X it instead of clicking okay.  But that message of you have imported a new certificate key where it ask you to certify... I never saw this message.



The video... I used it as reference but I am still following direwolf instructions as others suggested to just follow direwolf instructions here.  So what do i do now?  Do I close kleopatra and reopen it and do the samet hing again?

Okay so Im watching that youtube video again and it seems like the box I closed was this message....


Certificate Not Possible Cleopatra

To View other certificates, you first need to create an OpenPGP certificate for yourself.

Do you wish to create one now?


Yes or No



So how do i get back there?  Do i close kleopatra and open kleopatra again and repeat what I did earlier and then click Yes here?

I just did that and then clicked on import from kleoptra and opened the ThomasV file to it.  Then it showed a message and I closed it.  Did I need to see what that message said?



Now I see



Thomas Voegtin      his email     not certified  user id    valid from  June 15 2011 date but doesn't show valid until to.    Then it shows key id.

Okay I did not see your post on the creating a private key to verify electrum part.  That part literally would confuse most people.


So to download ThomasV keys, I need to right click on the blue ThomasV... click save link as... then it should save as ThomasV and ASC file to my pc/downloads correct?

Okay I will disregard the key pair part as that is confusing.  I just don't understand why you mentioned you could create your own key pair... where I have no idea what percentage of the population would even know how to do that.  Thus using ThomasV public key to verify would sound very simple.


I am stuck right now.


This is what I just did now


I downloaded electrum


I downloaded gpg4win and got to the part where its opened kleoptra and it shows

New Key Pair or Import


Next step in direwolf instructions are

Import ThomasV's PGP Key on Windows
Import ThomasV's PGP Key using Kleopatra:
Download ThomasV's PGP Key from a trusted source.  Start Kleopatra, if it's not already running.  Click the Import button, and navigate to the location where "ThomasV.asc" was saved, select the file, and click Open.


I completely ignore clicking on the signatures link next to Windows installer correct?  So just click on ThomasV in blue... which has ThomasV, SomberNight, Emzy next to it?  When you click on ThomasV the blue highlighted, all it does is open up a page with a bunch of keys.  Are you suppose to right click that and save link as?  


The thing is if I were to right click ThomasV and click save link as... it would show saving it to file name as ThomasV and ASC file.  But when it does that, it would save to this pc - downloads where nothing it showing up there.  Like before you click on save, you look at the top where there is no other downloaded files you had downloaded.  Is this normal or not?  If I were to click on desktop/downloads/documents, there is literally no files showing.  Is that normal?  I would have thought I would see electrum exe file I downloaded earlier somewhere here?  So me right click and save as link... that is why I don't see any other files?  Just want to make sure im doing this correctly.

Never heard of that wallet.


Thoughts on just keeping bitcoin sv in the electrumsv wallet then?  What about trustwallet or atomicwallet?

So apparently there are three ways of verifying electrumSV when i just took a look at everything.


Can anyone here confirm



In theory the presence of our signature on the executable you downloaded should be just as reliable as checking the checksum. You can check if the executable you downloaded has our signature, and if it is present you can assume that the file should be legitimate.

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Anyone can answer this?


I took a look at the digital signature method and that appears correct.


When I try to do the command prompt and used certutil, it doesn't seem to work?


Then you need to change the directory until you are in the same directory as the file you wish to get a checksum for. The cd command is used for this. Then you can use the certutil command to generate a SHA 256 checksum for that file. The syntax is certutil --hashfile <filename> SHA256, but remember you need to replace <filename> with the actual file name. You can see an illustration of this in the image below.



But how do i make sure im in the downloads folder before I do this?




It shows


c://windows/system32


But when i enter everything it doesn't work?







Mod Note: Consecutive posts merged

Is there a reason verifying electrum is this complicated?


First off, you need to


Install GPG
Download and Import ThomasV's PGP Key
Download and Verify Electrum



So you need to make sure you are downloading the official GPG and ThomasV PGP Key.  You also need to download kleoptra from another website.  Does downloading many of these things concern anyone here since it increase the chance of a mistake?


Is there a reason why verifying electrum just doesn't require you to download electrum.  Then just right click the program/properties and command prompt and just type letters and words to command prompt and they display the hash just like that... similar to like how you verify ledger live?  I found the verifying ledger live a bit confusing but after I did, it isn't that complicated... but for the average user... it is complicated.  


To verify electrum seems much more complicated since you need to download a bunch of things.  How do you know all these things you downloading now doesn't have malware and all these things?


Now has there ever been a case where someone downloaded electrum from the official electrum site... and got hacked or malware?  Assuming you download electrum and then start using it whether creating a seed or restoring an old seed, can you always verify if your electrum is the real electrum even after started using it?  

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I was checking youtube to see if there is a video to do this and found one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCG3c8a7HZI


In your instructions of

Install Windows


Kleopatra is the GUI front end that's included with Gpg4win, and I recommend you install it.  If you don't, you'll have to use command prompts to manage the GnuPG app.  Another optional feature is a shell extension which I find handy, and an Outlook extension.  If you use you use outlook the integration is pretty seamless, and actually quite useful.

Once installation is completed, and Kleopatra launches I recommend you create a private key.  If you already have one, you can import it at this time.



What do you mean you recommend you create a private key?  I do not understand this and in the youtube video, I do not even see this part mentioned.  I thought the private key was Thomas key.  So what exact private key are you creating here?




Also in the video, there is a part where it says Key Pair Creation Wizard where it ask you to put name/email though it shows optional.  So you just click next and leave it empty and skip it?  Then it ask you to create a password.  I assume this video is outdated and thus none of this applies now?





This is the other instructions I found below for verifying electrum.  On this, it mentions only make sure kleopatra is checked.  So you need to uncheck the other two GPgOL and GPgEX?  Direwolf and the youtube video have you just click next as it auto check all three of these?

https://bitcoinelectrum.com/how-to-verify-your-electrum-download/

So what I read about nano ledger and bitcoin SV is apparently ledger is making it very hard for people to use bitcoin SV with ledger.  So because of that, should i just avoid the idea of using bitcoin SV with nano ledger then ... since it doesn't really support it?  I also read someone mentioned any future firmware updates nano ledger does... it could affect it working with electrumSV?  I know you need to use the BCH app to use the bitcoinSV.


Ledger Live doesn't work with bitcoin SV.  You need to use electrumSV with nano ledger.  So that mean any mistake, your BCH stored in nano ledger is at risk? 



Someone told me when I claim the bitcoin SV, there is no replay protection risk because I had sent my BCH from electroncash to nano ledger which is my own wallet.  They said had you sent the claimed BCH to like an exchange wallet, you are at risk?



Well after I claim the bitcoin SV, i would prefer to keep it in the hardware wallet like nano ledger.  But having it only work if you use electrumSV with it... doesn't make me a big fan of it. 



Now would it be safe to just keep bitcoin SV in the electrumSV wallet for the time being though?  This would be on a separate pc so I wouldn't use it much.  Or would you say having the btc sent to trustwallet or atomicwallet is a better/worst idea?  The other software wallet that seem to allow bitcoin sv is Exodus. 


I heard closed source is not good.  So any electrum wallet whether electrum, electroncash, electrum-LTC, electrumSV, electrumG etc... are all open source then?  So you rather have the bitcoin sv just stored in the electrumSV wallet then as oppose to trust/atomicwallet and Exodus?

Had btc in electrum throughout every single bitcoin fork.  Then sent the btc from electrum to nano ledger.  I only claimed my BCH a while back when I entered electrum seed into electroncash and BCH was there.  Then sent the BCH to my nano ledger and it's been there ever since.



I want to claim my bitcoin sv and either keep it in the wallet or another wallet.  From what I check online, you can use electrumSV with nano ledger, or use software wallet like trustwallet and atomic wallet.
I know I could also send to exchange and sell it.



https://electrumsv.io/


I took a look at the instructions for verifying electrumSV.

https://electrumsv.readthedocs.io/en/releases-1.3/getting-started/verifying-downloads.html




Has anyone here done this with electrumSV and it was easy for them?  I am doing this on another windows pc.  I looked through the instructions and it does seem a bit overwhelming.  You download the electrum windows exe file... then make sure you don't open it... and do this verification before opening the file right?  That is what I did with ledger live last time when verifying it.  Back then when I had electrum installed, I never verified it as I made sure I downloaded from the correct website.  Also when I had electrum installed, I am pretty close majority of people never checked and verified the file until like the last few years or so.




But if you are downloading from the official site and the actual download link... have there been cases of people downloading and installing a fake wallet?  I have never heard a case with ledger live.  With electrum, I remember that fake update message that screwed many people but that required you to actually copy and paste the link they posted and you manually going to that fake link site to download the wallet.  Has any case like this happened with electrumSV or electroncash, electrum LTC, electrumG etc?

To those of you who own bitcoin sv or had sv, which wallet did you use to store it?


I read that you can use it with hardware wallet but have to use electrumSV directly with nano ledger.  You can't use it with ledger live.


I also check on coinmarketcap, you could use trust wallet and atomic wallet.  Does anyone have experience with those wallets?  I had used electrum before as my software wallet previously.  Then again, I don't think I am comfortable having electrumSV wallet on my pc... even though this would be a separate pc that I would install electrumSV in.

I am soon going to claim my Bitcoin SV.  During all these forks, btc was in electrum.  Then after a while I got a nano ledger.  Then after a bit, I claimed BCH by downloading electroncash and typing in my electrum seed and the BCH was there.  Then I sent BCH to the nano ledger and it's been there ever since.



I am going to download bitcoin sv wallet form

https://electrumsv.io/



I am told just type in my electrum seed and the Bitcoin SV will be there and there is no need to sweep any any keys.  Also replay protection is something I should not be concerned with because when I claimed my BCH in electroncash a while back, I just sent the BCH to my own nano ledger.



Now after I enter my electrum seed phrase into electrum sv io wallet, the bitcoin sv should appear.  Now since nano ledger does work with it... but not with ledger live... has anyone here done this?  Yes I know bitcoin SV is a useless coin but no harm in claiming it and just storing it right?  Or claiming it and immediately selling it?  I don't mind sending it to exchange and sell it for btc or usdt etc.



Now is there any risk to my BCH if my nano ledger If I claim my BSV and install it that way?  I read you would be using the BCH app each time when accessing Bitcoin SV.  I checked and saw what other wallets works with bitcoin sv and two software wallets which I have heard of.. but never used seem to store it.  That is trustwallet and atomicwallet.  Does anyone have experience with either of these two software wallets?  The thing is I was told you shouldn't keep the electrumSV wallet on your computer as it might not be safe etc.  I also plan to have it installed on another windows pc. 



But my main purpose of this is I want to claim all the forks... so then my electrum seed would be useless.

How big a difference is windows defender which is free compared to paid antivirus like norton or kaspersky?


If you open a file that contains malware, are you screwed no matter what way?  Or could norton and kaspersky pick it up?  Or they only give you an alert that the file might be malware?


What about visiting websites?  If you click on a link on google and let say its a dangerous site, does windows defender block it or give you a message before you visit it?  Norton and kaspersky does that right?  I have to assume windows defender is only safe if you don't click on dangerous links or download certain files?  Then again, if you don't have an antivirus and don't do none of that, isn't that just as safe?


What is its keylogger or things like that?  Does norton and kaspersky protect that or not?


I heard cases of malware clipboard with crypto addresses but many seem to say they only have windows defender?

This is what I'm being told by someone else.  


They said I download electrum SV and just enter my electrum seed and that is it.  



They also said,



A coin having no replay protection is only an issue if you've sent a transaction to another wallet which can be re-used to another blockchain without replay protection.
So, if you'll just send the balance to your own wallet, there's little to no issue.

Plus since BitcoinSV doesn't have replay protection, the transaction you already did in Bitcoin Cash chain can be reused to BitcoinSV chain as a form of attack.
If someone broadcast it to BSV chain and the output address isn't yours, that'll be an issue, that's why the replies in the first page of your thread suggest to claim BSV first.

Sweeping isn't needed if you'll restore the whole wallet from seed;
Sweeping is involved if you want to directly send the balance of the address derived from the private key to the wallet where you initiated the sweep.
Restoring the seed will restore the whole wallet just like restoring it to your Electrum.



My concern is after I download electrum sv on my separate windows pc... then enter my electrum seed in it, then it would ask me to sweep or do something and then I would be stuck not knowing what to do and then I'm stuck.  There really isn't any instructions or video on this?  The only reason I want to claim the forks now is I just want to claim them and be done with them.  Thus just claim it and send it to exchange and sell it etc.  I don't mind storing it in a wallet as long as its safe.
Why would it ask you to sweep or something? Have you restored your seed to Electrum or Electron before?
It's basically the same as what you did when you claimed your Bitcoin Cash.

Give me list of all decentralized exchanges.


I assume they are


pancakeswap

uniswap

So I need to restore my electrum wallet as well on the computer... is that what you are saying?  Would it be fine to install electrum on a separate pc with the electrum seed and install electrum sv wallet on that same pc?  I kind of don't want electrum installed on my main pc anymore etc.  But I think i might still download it later on.


But even after doing all this, where do i even send the bitcoin sv to?  I would want a place to hold the bitcoin sv or just sell it immediately for btc or usdt etc.  The thing is i just want to claim all these forks now. 

Could you remove this malware with your antivirus or you have to reinstall your machine?

Can you use FTX right now without KYC?