CFB, are you the only one communicating with BCNext? Who will be in touch with him when you depart in 3 1/2 weeks?
He had left the day before Nxt source code became public. Went for good to work on other things. I'll get 3rd part of the plan in April but I can't contact him anymore. this explaines why he also stopped logging to his original 3 years old account 3 days before release of the source Well, disappearing is the easiest way. We made him rich, now, where we need a leader he just disappers. Great. Anyway, I will try to get things together and organize things where I can. Letīs see where this evolves. |
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CORE DEV TEAM
Some questions:
1, How could one join? Whom to contact?
2, Are there any candidates?
3, Do we have a bounty for them? Unclaimed coins or should we put together some Nxt for this?
I would like CIYAM to join the team. Any other suggestions?
When we know whom to contact in order to get the core dev team together and we have the candidates, I will contact them one by one asking them if they would be interested.
AFAIK there is only Jean-Luc actively working on the core. Am I right? |
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Just for the records: how do you want community to decide?
Voting. We have VS. Ok. Where can I vote? |
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i have read all James' posts, many are full of invention.
6 years ago ,i coded a small program with object-c in linux, now use delphi in windows. In China you know a few people use linux/unix.
Because i am not familiar with PHP in web design, i think i can help comment on core and make some test tool.
btw, my english is very fool.
As long as you can understand that is the most important. The client software I wrote should be simple enough to port to whatever other language. I think the first step is for someone who is not me to be able to write programs that create gateway AMJames Could you please specify that? Somebody on the team needs to recreate the doge client demo using just the AM data structure. Most of the code is just a hardcoded parser for API JSON return strings. I bet someone can make an equivalent program in much fewer lines of python or any other language using hansson JSON lib. Ok, anyone capable of this? Guys? |
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I would like to stick to the webui. I somehow like it.
Worst marketing idea ever  Why is the webui of wesleyh a bad idea? That could be the interface for the stanradr user. And for the other users there are other very cool clients that support messaging, AE and everything else one can need. It seems I didn't understand chuckone. I thought he wanted to keep the old one... Or maybe I misunderstood him. Anyway, the old ui must go, and we already have a new one  |
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+1 for Wesleys as standard. But this one click installation - is this open source and necessary?
Yes, it is open source. Yes it is necessary for the ordinary user. Why donīt you like it? Didn't test it. It looks very sexy and is very easy. It installt everythinbg for you and opens up the webui. Very cool stuff. And it is only 0.5Mbyte. Is this only Win? Yes. Please check it out: https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,1902.0.html |
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Expect the question; How are we going to implement NXT at BTC38? Or have we learned from the past and made an instruction? Whoever is our Chinese rep for NXT(I believe we have one right?) should work with opticalc or someone along those lines to help btc38 implement it if it comes to that. Alright. We shouldn't let this be the second Mintpal disaster. I think we will win this vote, so we have to prepare ourselves. BTC38 is very important. optical and wesleyh told earlier that they would be able to help. They can contact us on IRC too. |
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I would like to stick to the webui. I somehow like it.
Worst marketing idea ever Why is the webui of wesleyh a bad idea? That could be the interface for the stanradr user. And for the other users there are other very cool clients that support messaging, AE and everything else one can need. |
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+1 for Wesleys as standard. But this one click installation - is this open source and necessary?
Yes, it is open source. Yes it is necessary for the ordinary user. Why donīt you like it? Didn't test it. It looks very sexy and is very easy. It installt everythinbg for you and opens up the webui. Very cool stuff. And it is only 0.5Mbyte. |
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I personally consider wesleys client as standard client, when it is implemented in the code from J-L, and with the installer from mistafreeze this is the best we can get.
easy to use one click installation. AFAIK wesleyh and J-L are in the proces of integrating the client as we speak.
so lets put our effort to promote that.
Yes, that is what I am telling here for hours +1 for Wesleys as standard. But this one click installation - is this open source and necessary? Yes, it is open source. Yes it is necessary for the ordinary user. Why donīt you like it? |
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Any updates on AE, what are we waiting for? can we set a date?
I am currently writing an AE audit program. It will make sure all asset balances are correct. I think we need to have this running while we have several active tradebots making all sorts of trades, big and small, from many computers. If after a million trade brute force test, everything still reconciles, then it should be good to go James please tell me its not going to be luanched till after the 8th?  ? i want to get my investment back from heavycoin to put into nxt! please wait lol Which clients will support AE? It's important that we show those clients at nxtcountdown.comAll clients support AE. Ok, then we come to the same dilemma. Is it an idea to promote Wesleyh's client at the countdown? That is our moment to spam everyone with a simple client and a countdown. There is no better time to do that. I personally consider wesleys client as standard client, when it is implemented in the code from J-L, and with the installer from mistafreeze this is the best we can get. easy to use one click installation. AFAIK wesleyh and J-L are in the proces of integrating the client as we speak. so lets put our effort to promote that. Yes, that is what I am telling here for hours |
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i have read all James' posts, many are full of invention.
6 years ago ,i coded a small program with object-c in linux, now use delphi in windows. In China you know a few people use linux/unix.
Because i am not familiar with PHP in web design, i think i can help comment on core and make some test tool.
btw, my english is very fool.
As long as you can understand that is the most important. The client software I wrote should be simple enough to port to whatever other language. I think the first step is for someone who is not me to be able to write programs that create gateway AMJames Could you please specify that? |
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More I think about Pooled Forging, more I don't like it. Does anyone have any ideas where this could lead to? Won't we face the same problem as Bitcoin (GHash)?
I put refactoring on hold until the community decides that it's safe for Nxt.
And how should community decide? We will have a big duscission again, while work is on hold. Please continue working on it, like planned, as this is the only way small stakeholders have the opportunity to forge. It is very frustrating to invest thousands of dollars and then see that you will generate the next block in 2 months. If you want the community to decide, put up a voting, or make it clear HOW the community should decide, otherwise it is pointless and will only lead to another function not getting implemented till april. Just for the records: how do you want community to decide? |
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More I think about Pooled Forging, more I don't like it. Does anyone have any ideas where this could lead to? Won't we face the same problem as Bitcoin (GHash)?
I put refactoring on hold until the community decides that it's safe for Nxt.
And how should community decide? We will have a big duscission again, while work is on hold. Please continue working on it, like planned, as this is the only way small stakeholders have the opportunity to forge. It is very frustrating to invest thousands of dollars and then see that you will generate the next block in 2 months. If you want the community to decide, put up a voting, or make it clear HOW the community should decide, otherwise it is pointless and will only lead to another function not getting implemented till april. |
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My installer downloads and installs Java when you install Nxt if you don't already have, exactly like you said it shouldn't because of admin rights...which I agree with. Since Nxt requires Java, though, this was by far the most user friendly solution. Over 5,500 downloads and I've only seen 3 or 4 people(that have contacted me) that had issues. Unpacked JRE can be embedded into installer, and installed without admin rights. But it requires to create installers for each platform you support. Double edged sword. I considered this but decided that most people will have Admin rights to their machine so downloading for the most part shouldn't be an issue......where as expecting people to know if they have x64 or x86 architecture and Win7/Win8 didn't seem like a good solution. I chose to make a "one size fits all" installer rather than complicate matters. User-installer JRE is double edged too  What if some newest release of NRS will require newer version of Java? Will you check what version user have installed? Embedded JRE is always considered as good solution for serious Java-based software. Considering architecture: NRS is not required to run with x64 JRE since it doesn't require too much memory. Embedded x86 JRE work perfect in x64 Win. And there's no different JRE versions for different Windows. Still do not know anything about *nix and OSX. There is code in the installer to check the java version, yes. If needed, I can force an update Edit: Not saying my way is the best or even most widely accepted way, just that this is how I chose to do it and was the first one to offer an installer. Honestly, I'm surprised it's still the only one out there and that someone hasn't made an embedded version. Why am I not able to select another folder than Program Files to install Nxt? Is this meant for me? The installer puts Nxt at C:\Nxt, not in Program Files. I choose to install Nxt to c:\Nxt to keep it inline with the wiki and other tutorials. Since that is where the batch files point and I don't want to dynamically create them, I removed the ability to chose where to install it. More advanced users that will want it installed elsewhere probably wont need my installer to install Nxt for them. You might be right. Sorry for the confusion, it installed it to C:, not the program files, my bad. Please read my edit for my previous post. And respect for your great work, you are a really big benefit for the community, like all other guys that not just cry about the low price and why nothing is working like they thin kit should, but really DO SOMETHING in order to help Nxt succeed. You are all doing a great job!Let´s get things more organized to hit the mainstream. |
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I wish we had something like this https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-walletSeparated between "mobile", "desktop" and "web" clients along with recommended "easy" install clients all located on the home website of the crypto(bitcoin). Could add things like Requires Java or not too. We could always say for now "recommended for beginning users" and then link to whatever client we decide on. When I started to look at bitcoin the reason I didn't give up right away was because that website gives everything so simple and easy to understand basically anyone would be able to understand how to start bitcoin up. I chose multibit when I first started because it said easy to use...  as a new user I didn't even know how to get Bitcoin let alone hold it somewhere. Didn't hear of Coinbase, etc. till I read a forum, didn't hear of any of these wallets till I read the main Bitcoin site. K.I.S.S. This is a very good idea, I think. We have different clients available for different type of users. We have the website nxtclient.org. Who is the owner of the site? We just need to offer a more structured overview of our clients. Absolutely. My site is shit for a newcomer. I will think about it and change the structure. Maybe delete some clients from the front page. Let me know if you need anything. I am not an experience coder, not a good graphic designer, but will help to find someone to support you. |
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My installer downloads and installs Java when you install Nxt if you don't already have, exactly like you said it shouldn't because of admin rights...which I agree with. Since Nxt requires Java, though, this was by far the most user friendly solution. Over 5,500 downloads and I've only seen 3 or 4 people(that have contacted me) that had issues. Unpacked JRE can be embedded into installer, and installed without admin rights. But it requires to create installers for each platform you support. Double edged sword. I considered this but decided that most people will have Admin rights to their machine so downloading for the most part shouldn't be an issue......where as expecting people to know if they have x64 or x86 architecture and Win7/Win8 didn't seem like a good solution. I chose to make a "one size fits all" installer rather than complicate matters. User-installer JRE is double edged too What if some newest release of NRS will require newer version of Java? Will you check what version user have installed? Embedded JRE is always considered as good solution for serious Java-based software. Considering architecture: NRS is not required to run with x64 JRE since it doesn't require too much memory. Embedded x86 JRE work perfect in x64 Win. And there's no different JRE versions for different Windows. Still do not know anything about *nix and OSX. There is code in the installer to check the java version, yes. If needed, I can force an update Edit: Not saying my way is the best or even most widely accepted way, just that this is how I chose to do it and was the first one to offer an installer. Honestly, I'm surprised it's still the only one out there and that someone hasn't made an embedded version. Why am I not able to select another folder than Program Files to install Nxt? Edit: I just tried your installer for the first time. It works like a charm. I love it. If wesleyh´s webclient is integrated, we will have a very good solution for newcomers. |
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about AE test
1. balance=2864
2. ask order (my asset)
quantity:15, price=200(2nxt) fee=1
quantity:10, price=300(3nxt) fee=1
balance=2862 Ok
3. bid order (my asset)
quantity:25, price=300(3nxt) fee=1
4.balance=2846
should be 2864-3=2861
so 2861-2846=15 is lost ( 25*3-15*2-10*3=15 )
Which client are you using? @ CfB: is this a known bug? |
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I wish we had something like this https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-walletSeparated between "mobile", "desktop" and "web" clients along with recommended "easy" install clients all located on the home website of the crypto(bitcoin). Could add things like Requires Java or not too. We could always say for now "recommended for beginning users" and then link to whatever client we decide on. When I started to look at bitcoin the reason I didn't give up right away was because that website gives everything so simple and easy to understand basically anyone would be able to understand how to start bitcoin up. I chose multibit when I first started because it said easy to use... as a new user I didn't even know how to get Bitcoin let alone hold it somewhere. Didn't hear of Coinbase, etc. till I read a forum, didn't hear of any of these wallets till I read the main Bitcoin site. K.I.S.S. This is a very good idea, I think. We have different clients available for different type of users. We have the website nxtclient.org. Who is the owner of the site? We just need to offer a more structured overview of our clients. |
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My Nxt installer will download and install Java on the initial click if needed, no restart If it exists, what we are talking about? Let's work on that. What is your bitbucket account? It will be easier
if I give you access and you commit your files so that I always get
your latest changes when packaging a release.
And it will be better to have it accessible at top level on port 7876,
with the current tools put under :7876/tools/.
Again Wiki should be rewritten completely. Could you please link the client for reference? |
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