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5861  Other / Meta / Re: Customized Trust Network – Interactive tool to see who we trust/distrust on: January 16, 2019, 12:50:30 AM
Apparently when this happens I can't even delete the filters because I looked all over the filter menu and I can't remove them, even by highlighting manually and deleting. Thanks for this project btw. I am sure many will find it helpful.
5862  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Heterosexual males are under attack on: January 15, 2019, 08:38:08 PM
Late stage empires often experience this. The fighting age males are being feminized, marginalized, and neutralized in preparation for the collapse of our society as we know it, and make a totalitarian dictatorship that much easier to implement.
5863  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Some are more equal than others... on: January 15, 2019, 08:34:44 PM
This is an interesting window into the politicization of science and its abuse as a method of propagandizing the public.


"Professor Who Exposed Feminist Ideology In Colleges May Be Fired"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHCsD3gtE4o

5864  Other / Meta / Re: Customized Trust Network – Interactive tool to see who we trust/distrust on: January 15, 2019, 08:10:21 PM
Is it just me or did some one make a mess of this? How do I strip those filters that load automatically now?
5865  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: January 15, 2019, 07:29:39 PM
Well, we almost made it a week with the new trust system before newly appointed DT members were connected to a large scam (>$70,000)...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5097164.0

20 BTC jackpot not paid out to a user playing by the rules. DT member wearing a paid signature from the accused scam site rushing to defend it in spite of having the exact opposite opinion on previous similar cases.

The trust system has become a popularity contest rather than a gauge of who will and will not rip you off, and con artists are usually quite charming by nature.
5866  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why is the violence in France completely legitimate? on: January 15, 2019, 05:39:10 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-14/french-riot-police-deploy-semi-automatic-weapons-against-yellow-vests-macron-loses

Just wow. The US police hardly ever brandish rifles against protests/riots, but perhaps this is just because they know we can shoot back Wink

This just goes to show you what results when you let the government hold a monopoly on violence. IMO this was a retarded choice to arm them for 1000 reasons. Whoever decided to do this WANTS France in a civil war. All it is going to take is a few protestors shot by the police before the whole country loses its fucking mind, then those police won't be safe anywhere even if they are carrying RPGs.
5867  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Are there any real domocrats here? on: January 15, 2019, 05:13:36 PM
Don't you know all the people who WERE classical democrats are right-wing extremist Nazis now?
5868  Other / Meta / Re: OgNasty excluded from DT1 based on? on: January 15, 2019, 07:07:55 AM
So you are saying that you want something centralized instead?

I am saying what I am saying, not what you are saying. See folks? Witness it in real time.

Is the OP your alt account?

As predicted, here come the accusations and attempts to slander my character simply for pointing these facts out.

Why are you so god damn butthurt?

Will you be addressing the topic at any point or did you just come here to derail the thread? Don't bother answering, we can all see what is happening here.

His question was answered, the thread can be locked. What about the OP do you want me to address? The fact that life is unfair to you and ognasty?

I don't care much what you have to say, but generally the rule is posts must be on topic. I don't really see how "why are you so god damned butthurt?" is on topic. Perhaps the rules are just for me and not for thee.
5869  Other / Meta / Re: OgNasty excluded from DT1 based on? on: January 15, 2019, 06:59:35 AM
So you are saying that you want something centralized instead?

I am saying what I am saying, not what you are saying. See folks? Witness it in real time.

Is the OP your alt account?

As predicted, here come the accusations and attempts to slander my character simply for pointing these facts out.

Why are you so god damn butthurt?

Will you be addressing the topic at any point or did you just come here to derail the thread? Don't bother answering, we can all see what is happening here.
5870  Other / Meta / Re: OgNasty excluded from DT1 based on? on: January 15, 2019, 06:46:19 AM
So you are saying that you want something centralized instead?

I am saying what I am saying, not what you are saying. See folks? Witness it in real time.

Is the OP your alt account?

As predicted, here come the accusations and attempts to defame my character simply for pointing these facts out.
5871  Other / Meta / Re: OgNasty excluded from DT1 based on? on: January 15, 2019, 06:43:13 AM
So you are saying that you want something centralized instead?

I am saying what I am saying, not what you are saying. See folks? Witness it in real time.
5872  Other / Meta / Re: OgNasty excluded from DT1 based on? on: January 15, 2019, 06:24:08 AM
Yeah, interesting that after 8 years huh? Not really seeing how any of what I said is contradicted by what you have said.

It's extremely implausible that out of hundreds if not thousands of users who set up their custom trust lists the vast majority except 9 are part of some conspiracy against you. Much more likely that only 9 people at the moment trust you.

Other than that you didn't provide any evidence of the criminal abuse or whatever it is you're alleging so there is nothing to contradict.

Cool story bro. I never said that, but it is telling you trying to attribute such an extreme claim to me, as predicted trying to cast me as some kind of conspiracy theorist in order to discredit me. No evidence of criminal abuse? Please. Lets not pretend. How about your own signature FFS?
5873  Other / Meta / Re: OgNasty excluded from DT1 based on? on: January 15, 2019, 06:01:54 AM
Why is it people such as myself

You're short one person to include you in their list. This is before any exclusions:

[pic]

from: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096207

Clearly some other motive is at play here

LOL. No. You're trusted by only 9 users. Get one more and you'll have a better chance.

Og is no angel either. When he thinks no one is looking he can be quite nasty (pun intended).


Yeah, interesting that after 8 years huh? Not really seeing how any of what I said is contradicted by what you have said.
5874  Other / Meta / Re: OgNasty excluded from DT1 based on? on: January 15, 2019, 05:40:00 AM
The trust system is constantly abused for political as well as likely organized criminal purposes. It provides cover for these people to abuse honest contributing members of the forum with impunity. The question is not if they help, it is at what cost? The cost is consistently driving away MANY new users who simply didn't understand the unwritten mob rules enforced here. The thief simply spends a few bucks on a new account and is back in minutes. Legitimate users burned this way don't come back, perpetually putting us in a feedback loop of driving away the decent user base while providing cover for the cons.

Blindly following the trust is a HUGE issue. There is no way to even know if the same person is truly in control of the account any more at the end of the day, and purporting otherwise is disingenuous and only harms the people it was designed to protect most, the newer users. It is at its best little more than a notification system for people to warn others of suspect behavior, and at worst a system of protecting organized crime and mobbing cliques.


I know for a fact this goes on. I have not only personally experienced it, I have others talk to me about it in private for fear of being harassed themselves. The "community" around here means a select group of stalkers willing to harass and defame any dissenters or naysayers into submission. The trust system is just a fig leaf to distract from this banana republic, and by its very nature anyone pointing this out will sound kind of nuts making them easily dismissed.

The only reason I bother speaking about it is enough people know me here to at least take these accusations seriously. If you have no reputation, you are dismissed as a scammer. If you have a reputation then they simply have something to leverage against you and keep you quiet. Now with exclusions these people need not even explain themselves, they can just quietly silence anyone who is critical of them with impunity.

Ask yourself the question. Why is it people such as myself and OgNasty, trusted with large sums of money by hundreds of users here over a period spanning almost ten years... but we aren't valid inclusions in the trust system? Clearly some other motive is at play here than providing users a reliable system of trust.
5875  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Are Bankers trying to regulate/dominate the Bitcoin Market? on: January 15, 2019, 01:28:47 AM
I think a more appropriate question is what AREN'T the bankers trying to control and dominate?
5876  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Anyone following Kevin Shipp whistleblowing? on: January 14, 2019, 08:13:49 PM
I watched the first video. According to all the research I have done he is perfectly accurate, and what he is saying lines up with what I know. Nothing he is saying here is that secret any more and most of it is even well documented.
5877  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why did Macron arrest Eric Drouet on: January 14, 2019, 12:03:08 PM
Macron first of his name (may the god bless him) is actually believing in his story in my opinion. I think he genuily thinks EU is the solution, complete deregulation and market freedom is good, privatisation is the way to go, growth is the way to fight unemployment...

If you think Macron or the EU really want or represent any of these things than you are quite a but more stupid than he is.
5878  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Social Media is cancer on: January 14, 2019, 10:32:20 AM
So because people die in car crashes, cars shouldn't be made any more, right? I think his argument is faulty. Even before the advent of social media were there no fake news? Did people and junk news paper publications not spread rumours?

The difference is social media is not passive, it is interactive and real time. It is literally changing every aspect of our lives, and in many ways allowing top down centralized manipulation and control of the population scalable down to a very granular level. I don't think anyone has any concept of how dangerous this can really be. What started as a platform for free expression, communication, and free enterprise has been turned into a global interconnected tumor of censorship, mobbing, and monopolistic thuggery.
5879  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: January 14, 2019, 08:02:53 AM
The trust system is constantly abused for political as well as likely organized criminal purposes. It provides cover for these people to abuse honest contributing members of the forum with impunity. The question is not if they help, it is at what cost? The cost is consistently driving away MANY new users who simply didn't understand the unwritten mob rules enforced here. The thief simply spends a few bucks on a new account and is back in minutes. Legitimate users burned this way don't come back, perpetually putting us in a feedback loop of driving away the decent user base while providing cover for the cons.

Blindly following the trust is a HUGE issue. There is no way to even know if the same person is truly in control of the account any more at the end of the day, and purporting otherwise is disingenuous and only harms the people it was designed to protect most, the newer users. It is at its best little more than a notification system for people to warn others of suspect behavior, and at worst a system of protecting organized crime and mobbing cliques.

"The only people you see complain are mostly the ones that have actually been caught with doing something bad.."

That sounds like something dirty cops say when some one tries to get the cop to follow the law too... the rules are for thee and not for me.

Could you give me a few examples?


There are rules set for this forum, as well as guidelines. If they are not followed and a new member gets negative trust for something that was against that, is it not deserved? I'm not really sure that it affects as many people as you paint it out to be.

I'd also like to request an example of organized crime that is being protected by the current trust system as that sounds like a conspiracy theory at best.

The funny thing is merely giving examples was the only thing it took to start a years long flame war with one of these people resulting in exactly this type of harassment. It doesn't have to be some kind of mafia, but that doesn't mean it isn't. It can be as simple as an organic clique of users actively suppressing those going against their plans, or even publicly questioning them.

Please now, lets not act like people doing shady backhanded things to each other here is an uncommon occurrence. You need to call it a conspiracy theory to try to make my claim look fantastical and unrealistic when it is pretty obvious how it can be abused.

A bad actor gets control of 1 or more highly ranked accounts, does their conning, if anyone tries to point it out they can simply make them look like a scam artist themselves or just mob them and mass report them until they get banned. I have personally experienced it MULTIPLE times, and I KNOW I am not the only one. The problem is if you have no ratings well you are just a scammer, and if you do have good ratings, well now you have something they can leverage against you.
5880  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: January 13, 2019, 08:30:59 PM
I don't think it's quite that easy. There's plenty of people who have a bad trust rating here yet they are still able to do business without much of an issue. I'm not sure the change you are proposing would have any real effect.

As for the self proclaimed scambusters, I appreciate their work around here. It helps me when I'm managing signature campaigns and looking for users to enroll. Blindly following the DT is not really an issue IMO. The only people you see complain are mostly the ones that have actually been caught with doing something bad..

The trust system is constantly abused for political as well as likely organized criminal purposes. It provides cover for these people to abuse honest contributing members of the forum with impunity. The question is not if they help, it is at what cost? The cost is consistently driving away MANY new users who simply didn't understand the unwritten mob rules enforced here. The thief simply spends a few bucks on a new account and is back in minutes. Legitimate users burned this way don't come back, perpetually putting us in a feedback loop of driving away the decent user base while providing cover for the cons.

Blindly following the trust is a HUGE issue. There is no way to even know if the same person is truly in control of the account any more at the end of the day, and purporting otherwise is disingenuous and only harms the people it was designed to protect most, the newer users. It is at its best little more than a notification system for people to warn others of suspect behavior, and at worst a system of protecting organized crime and mobbing cliques.

"The only people you see complain are mostly the ones that have actually been caught with doing something bad.."

That sounds like something dirty cops say when some one tries to get the cop to follow the law too... the rules are for thee and not for me.
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