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Miners will move around and that is just fine. Plenty of hash on EXP and you are just being silly.

I have to admit I really don't mind it at all. Average EXP per day mined should start going up soon for those of us still mining.

Thank you.

"Best not to panic buy" - That means don't buy at the top or with emotion. I never suggested a buy on EXP a single time in fact. I even stayed out of all the trollboxes so I would not be even tempted to help with any hype. I did however suggest that it might be profitable to mine. It was and I believe it still is. Trying to FUD over a very rational balanced post made when the charts were still unclear, is really trying too hard. People need to take responsibility for their actions. They take the risks but they get the rewards, that is how trading works.

"I won't make any predictions"  - I think that is quite clear, I never made any for price, not once.

"I don't think you should worry much" - That is true, this is a long term project, and while this is personal opinion I think we will do fine over time. That however does not imply any buying or selling advice, that is just a general comment on the future of the project and a personal opinion.

Also, why edit out the time for this screenshot? So you can mislead people and they can't check the charts then? Exactly.

Bitcoinsandiego:

The reserve is mostly for 3rd party development long term, not the founders, and really just enough for the team to cover the time spent and so the pace can be competitive. While you may believe no reserve/premine is needed with an ethereum fork, that could true if we are not producing much new content or planning on making it last a long time, or if we had an ICO or ninja launch instead. We did not. I personally think it is wonderful to try different things and see how they turn out way down the line. For example, we don't have any bad feelings for the other two ETH forks and we think they are also interesting experiments trying slightly different strategies. We think we have the best strategy of course, but we will also get to prove it out over time and others can see.

If you are talking about a project to last years and not a short term one, funding is needed or people just move on.  Franko and I have a lot of experience with this sort of thing, knowing how much funding is needed for getting things done in cryptos and advancing, and what people generally ask for to complete additions. For the quality and amount of development we want to bring to the project, the reserve was carefully chosen based on that. Most of that will be connected to votes and a DAO, a decentralized autonomous organization. This is no easy undertaking and extremely time consuming, but if it is successful this could provide new innovations in cryptos.

I think price speculation is interesting as a trader and miner myself, but clearly if people bought low early on, or mined any time really, they made out quite well. I started mining almost 8 hours late dealing with discussions and working on various elements, only using 4 GPUs, and I mined about .4 BTC worth in a few days. This was actually the most profitable coin I have ever mined and I wasn't there mining at the launch. So I think Expanse is quite successful in that regard, for the miners. We have had an enormous amount of hash power. We quickly got on 4 exchanges, 3 of them major. Things are moving quickly.

I honestly think you need to wait a few weeks for any accurate price evaluations. Once we have the DAO and everything out there, proving with smart contracts exactly how safe the reserve is, and voting starts up, the rest of the key starting elements Dan is working on completed, and when new 3rd party devs start joining in, I think you will have a much better understanding of how long term we intend this to be.

I believe around 330k available, give or take, counting the reserve that isn't being used until the future, and then slowly, over 11.1 million.

Everything has been sent to Coinmarketcap so hopefully they have it updated soon. Sometimes it takes them awhile.

We were talking mostly about the Advisory Core, potential changes to POS. Some talking about the price. New wallets coming, things like that.

Much of it was related to the different technical options for POS, different algos, that sort of thing. Nothing finalized yet, just discussions.

http://slack.expanse.tech

You can join the slack and see all the active discussion going on in detail.

People are free to join the slack channel and check out the discussions going on. It has been repeated many times, but the vast majority of the funding is for bringing in 3rd party devs, new tech, new partnerships, and will be slowly released over years. I won't predict any prices, but this project is interesting for those bothering to look past the FUD. It isn't about any one person, but rather the community and those that are joining in. Keep an open mind and watch.

http://slack.expanse.tech

http://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/3545/introducing-expanse-exp-the-second-ethereum-fork?new=1

I posted a quick introduction to the Ethereum Community.

I believe that is the average of everything, although the average for today was actually pretty close to 60 seconds. It seems to move around a bit, but keeps getting closer to 60 seconds as it moves on.

If we simply listed ideas with suggested bounties that would be missing the point entirely and acting exactly like a boss, although we have discussed countless ideas and plans in Slack already.

The DAO has to be formed before it can vote, and the first votes will be getting the Advisory Board elected. This isn't a short term or a non serious project, and anything funded has to be carefully considered and approved later by the community as a whole, not just the founders. If you want us to rush and just appoint people to the board, or just pass out bounties like mad, that just isn't going to happen. Certainly lots of people will copy these ideas, but if it isn't done right it won't matter for them and they won't last.

If the price goes down, or way up, that would be taken into consideration later for paying bounties to 3rd party devs. In most all cases people will sell bounties for BTC and then perhaps Fiat, so it is critical to only use it on valuable additions. It isn't like 3rd party devs would get paid less if the price changes, it would be adjusted.

Sure, but you don't just throw money around and hope it works out. We have to form the DAO first before anyone is hired, other than Mike who made the logo early on and we just paid him from the initial team fund. (The logo was exactly what we wanted and he nailed it) So he is the only 3rd party dev paid so far.

To go into more detail, the DAO will actually vote on projects, Dapps, and everyone has to agree the value added to Expanse is greater than whatever sell pressure we might get from a bounty. Right now there is maybe around 200k on the market, so available EXP is rare, and we want to keep it rare.

Exactly, we will be creating jobs for developers, and others that can add value. All without needing to raise any money in advance, short of what we had to pay upfront ourselves at least. There is a lot of FUD over having a reserve, but a couple years down the line when devs are still being paid to develop Expanse, the decision will prove itself to be quite wise. I think we have a huge edge being able to pay for Dapps and advertise them for free to tens of thousands of people connected to cryptos and technology. Our goal is to have the most of course, and if you could get paid for it and with free advertising, and perhaps make profit with your own Dapp, why not?

I think it is because the FUD is slowing down actually, they were giving us a lot of free bumps.

Now perhaps people are starting to realize there is nothing to worry about and the team will just keep delivering. There will be announcements in the future about other projects joining/using Expanse, I don't think there are any Dapps to announce yet, but they will come in time since we can pay them and advertise for them for free. Giving us a unique advantage.

A friend of mine runs multipool.us (the original multi-pool) and wants to set up an EXP pool there, he was asking if there is an open source pool he could use for it. Let me know and I can pass on the info to him, thanks.

I think you are misunderstanding something. "Fair launch" was about announcing it well in advance and having a testnet beforehand, this is somewhat unusual for Bitcointalk in general, but has nothing whatsoever to do with the Ethereum launch, or the Ethereum premine, or the Ethereum ICO money.

Not having an ICO means we have to create the value for it to be successful, people can just mine it if they want. It is just a different plan, that doesn't mean all ICOs are bad. The DAO is also very different as the community will literally determine the future.

Open source platforms are all about using the best ideas and trying different things. That is what we are doing.

That is correct.

The reserve is for funding future development, this is to create a long term self funded project. Projects that are not funded rarely last. This project could last a very long time.

The DAO will also vote on all of that stuff, so unless most people believe it will increase the value more, then it won't be released and spent. Even if some of the community reserve was released, it will be capped to only a very small amount at a time, so the reserve will last quite a few years and never flood the market. Expanse on the market is and will remain rare by design, even if some people do not understand it yet as the idea is fairly new using smart contracts in this way.

There is 100k for the team at launch, that will never be dumped, and whatever miners are mining now. Make sure and read the FAQ in the main announcement here if you are interested in understanding the project, thanks!

(I also wrote an article "Introducing Expanse" that explains the basics)

http://expanseofficial.tumblr.com

You sure have popular pool for Expanse though