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701  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 13, 2015, 02:32:52 PM
Do I need to run step 2 at final launch? Nodes will be the same?  Undecided

"nodes should be the same"
702  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 13, 2015, 02:30:30 PM
So, i mined 1000 coins, but they are useless, right?

The only use for the testnet coins is to help get issues worked out ahead of the main launch, to test things, and so people can get their systems ready and tested in advance.

The main launch tonight will be the real deal. Smiley

Any cowntdown

https://countingdownto.com/countdown/expanse-main-launch-countdown-clock

Here is one for you.
703  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 13, 2015, 02:25:02 PM
So, i mined 1000 coins, but they are useless, right?

The only use for the testnet coins is to help get issues worked out ahead of the main launch, to test things, and so people can get their systems ready and tested in advance.

The main launch tonight will be the real deal. Smiley
704  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 13, 2015, 01:15:37 AM

which exchanges will offer exp/btc at the launch??

To be announced after the launch once it is official.
705  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 12, 2015, 11:15:09 PM
Is this launched now or not ?!

We are just testing now, Launch is scheduled for 8pm EDT tomorrow.

Ok, i will add a Pool as soon as everything is working and settled

Great thanks, looks like Linux is fine, but getting some issues worked out for Windows. Should be fine by then.
706  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 12, 2015, 11:12:48 PM
Is this launched now or not ?!

We are just testing now, Launch is scheduled for 8pm EDT tomorrow.
707  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 12, 2015, 10:46:18 PM
Works fine for me, and I tested it on windows 10. I am someone that just uses pools to mine normally, well, always. I just wanted to try the .bat files out to see if I had any issues. No problems here. (other than the password entry is invisible, but you just have to type it, hit enter, and type it again and hit enter one more time.)

I would try the obvious things like a system restart, or testing on another machine if you have one available.

Step-1 new account (passwords are invisible, enter password, hit enter, enter password again, hit enter)
Step-2 genesis (just click that)
Step-3 Start Expanse
Step-4 gpu_mining_solo

Then just restart if need be, but that is about it.

708  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 12, 2015, 09:46:51 PM

Yes, the launch should remain the same and this is just testing to make sure it is working for as many people as possible in advance. Sunday is better than weekdays for most people.

They are making some .bat files to make it easier for some people with windows, and there will also very likely be a pool soon after launch and most people won't have to solo mine.
709  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 12, 2015, 09:34:36 PM
Think I found the problem that fixed the node issue in Linux!

it was router setup.

Ublock incoming IPv6 connections

net.peerCount
9

What protocol gexp is using IP4, IP6?

I still have the problem with Windows. Strange since both pc's are connected to the same router.

They are going to get some .bat files and such going to make it really easy for windows users. In process.
710  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 12, 2015, 01:52:04 AM
Added all working nodes posted, no dice.

net.listening true
net.peerCount still 0 every time.

https://github.com/expanse-project/go-expanse/wiki/Connecting-to-the-network

Have you checked everything in here?
711  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 11, 2015, 05:30:02 PM
Will you provide windows binaries at official launch?

Yes.
712  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 11, 2015, 05:05:02 PM


More justifications for the 2.7 years of coin premine go here.

11 million, 60 million, hell take it all. It will have no value on any exchange either way. No value means no money for you and no ability to work on it fulltime. Take a far smaller premine, lock it up in contracts released once a month (you say you want a wage right, not an up front moneygrab) and buy orders will actually be placed on exchanges, and you will be able to work on it fulltime.



I consider this a rather insightfull comment.  This currency can actually self regulate its own premine (unlike previous bitcoin clones).  If the devs were to lock up the funds in the block chain and set a release mechanism at set points in time it would go a long long way to building trust.  Especially if the first pay out was set a month or two in the future.  Some aditional contracts could be set up for bounties etc.  

It is what we are doing. Its all in the OP

No you are granting yourself 10% at launch, the point made by the previous poster was you should delay that at least a while, until it is not such a large % of the total supply.  I appreciate the fact that as "gas" or crypto fuel this is not the same concept as a pure currency, but as the reality is it will have some monetary value which you could sell on an exchange. The point is if you want to build trust that should not be available immediate upon launch and at the time of the release should not be a large % of the total supply.  This action in conjunction with acontract controling the release is the act that builds trust.

My recomendation is propose somthing more like: at any point the relase is no more than 5% the total supply to yourselves, and the first drop does not happen for at least a few weeks.   If you want to control additional contracts with releases for bounties thats great too, but you have 10% at launch right now that could be dumped.  I see nothing contrary to this.

If you want to use the 10% as a "wage" thats totally legitimate, but then do it as an ICO and then let contracts implement a thawing out period to distrubute those funds to the ICO participants over a period of time as well.


We are exploring other ideas. One idea that has popped up in our slack chat was to take the 1.1m we are getting up front and locking up 1m in a founders dao and have it drip to us on a regularly basis that way the community funds are spent completely democratically and independently of the founders reserve. Which would leave 100k initially to pay bounties with.

I think this solution is a better one and I hope you go through with it. A stronger market for the Expanse token means a stronger Expanse network.

Yes, I agree, we had gone over this stuff internally before and it doesn't matter to the team as we trust each other, but it would help with outsiders that don't know us. I think this is pretty much a done deal, 100k at start for the team, rest slowly over time. It would be a much smaller available reserve at start, but over the long run it would still be fair for us. This would give more spaced out funding over time and should also remove concerns people might have over the team having too many votes too soon. I also like that the smart contracts are almost like a time locked safe with many doors, and that keeps the reserves of EXP totally safe from anything that could potentially go wrong, which means everyone involved is more secure and safe.

EDIT: FAQ is updated with this change, 100k only at launch.
713  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 11, 2015, 06:14:48 AM
Why every new crypto run under linux first Huh
most of miners used windows

just waiting for windows compiled

I believe they said this is just the testing phase not the actual release

Yes, this is just testing, and we will have windows testing as well in advance. Don't worry. Smiley

714  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 11, 2015, 04:17:06 AM
Day of testing down and still no windows.



Testing went fine for Linux and Windows is coming soon. (This is just testing)
715  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 11, 2015, 01:40:41 AM
has there been a window release yet? if so can someone quote me to the post, thanks in advance  Wink

I believe Franko was getting it ready, I will forward the question to him.
716  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 11, 2015, 01:23:25 AM


More justifications for the 2.7 years of coin premine go here.

11 million, 60 million, hell take it all. It will have no value on any exchange either way. No value means no money for you and no ability to work on it fulltime. Take a far smaller premine, lock it up in contracts released once a month (you say you want a wage right, not an up front moneygrab) and buy orders will actually be placed on exchanges, and you will be able to work on it fulltime.



I consider this a rather insightfull comment.  This currency can actually self regulate its own premine (unlike previous bitcoin clones).  If the devs were to lock up the funds in the block chain and set a release mechanism at set points in time it would go a long long way to building trust.  Especially if the first pay out was set a month or two in the future.  Some aditional contracts could be set up for bounties etc.  

It is what we are doing. Its all in the OP

No you are granting yourself 10% at launch, the point made by the previous poster was you should delay that at least a while, until it is not such a large % of the total supply.  I appreciate the fact that as "gas" or crypto fuel this is not the same concept as a pure currency, but as the reality is it will have some monetary value which you could sell on an exchange. The point is if you want to build trust that should not be available immediate upon launch and at the time of the release should not be a large % of the total supply.  This action in conjunction with acontract controling the release is the act that builds trust.

My recomendation is propose somthing more like: at any point the relase is no more than 5% the total supply to yourselves, and the first drop does not happen for at least a few weeks.   If you want to control additional contracts with releases for bounties thats great too, but you have 10% at launch right now that could be dumped.  I see nothing contrary to this.

If you want to use the 10% as a "wage" thats totally legitimate, but then do it as an ICO and then let contracts implement a thawing out period to distrubute those funds to the ICO participants over a period of time as well.


We are exploring other ideas. One idea that has popped up in our slack chat was to take the 1.1m we are getting up front and locking up 1m in a founders dao and have it drip to us on a regularly basis that way the community funds are spent completely democratically and independently of the founders reserve. Which would leave 100k initially to pay bounties with.

I like it, we would be holding most anyway with the original plan as this is a long term project, but this way people should have *much* less concern since it would be enforced by smart contracts. (I disagree about having an ICO, but I think releasing the founders reserve slowly over time would be a good change and help with trust)
717  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 10, 2015, 10:30:18 PM
Maybe it would be a good idea to have a images with a guide/wiki to set up on different platforms: OSX, Windows and Linux....

I agree, that is a good idea. I believe Dan is working on something, but I forwarded your suggestion as well.

If time permits, maybe even videos.... Cool

Well, might not be time for videos as some other things are in progress, but eventually that is something that would be nice on the website.
718  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 10, 2015, 10:26:56 PM
Maybe it would be a good idea to have a images with a guide/wiki to set up on different platforms: OSX, Windows and Linux....

I agree, that is a good idea. I believe Dan is working on something, but I forwarded your suggestion as well.
719  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 10, 2015, 10:16:11 PM
So, the launch will be 5pm PST on 9/13?

Yes, that is correct. The test launch is running now so you can also test any settings in advance if you like.
720  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - Fair Launch, No ICO, Community DAO, based on Ethereum on: September 10, 2015, 09:34:22 PM
The fact that the development team compares this coin and it's massive premine to Ethereum and somehow thinks that people are going to swallow 11 million coin premine based on 'It's just like Ethereum they also premined' (But without the team, vision, 20k BTC ICO and corporate projects) is a joke. What part of 11 MILLION premine killing the coin don't you get? No one cares if it's 'community owned', it's 100% unnecessary, and the 'But we all work full time on this' is just laughable as an excuse for giving yourself free money.

With the 4x longer block time than Ether, and literally NO word on what makes this coin 'better for your purposes' than Ether a Premine over 100k is a complete no-go for most people. Look at what happened to Shift (the first Ether copy-paste) and block-times, price and premine. Yeah, it's pretty much dead already because there is NO profit to be made from mining with 250k coins hanging in the air and price tanking.

TLDR: 'Fairly distributed' , 11 million coin premine. ROTFL!

I have to agree with this, and I could be wrong but I don't think Shift's 250k premine has had that much of an effect on the market. Without a block explorer that can show info on accounts it's hard to tell.

Some ideas like waiting 3 months for any payment sound nice if you don't think about it, but that also means we would have less incentive to be competitive until 3 months later. (no incentive actually) Which means it is a terrible idea. We will be revealing more in the future and the first months are critical.

We are quite experienced in cryptos, and whatever FUD people might want to use to trick people into not mining or buying it, just be aware they have their own agendas. Make your own choices and do your own research, but people are wasting time if they think we will change the project as they would design it. If they want to change it later, that option is available by holding Expanse and voting, or proving they have the talent to join the Advisor Board.

I don't really want to compare projects or FUD other efforts, but there is a critical flaw for those not having enough funding for development for any long term project. If people don't understand that, that is ok, I can assure you we have a lot of experience with this and the plan is solid for the long term. Once again, just wait if you have doubts or fears, you should be able to mine or buy it in the future just fine and have lots more data to go on.
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