No, I throw out insults because you're a a liar, get it straight! I don't care about your spelling or grammatical errors, but they just serve to illustrate what an idiot you are.
Inaba, I only just recently got into the bitcointalk forums, even though I've been mining for a long time. I have to say I'm seriously confused about why you're acting this way. Presumably you'd like to sell your chips and continue to sell miners, right? You're coming across as incredibly childish and immature here. All you have to do to shut up all your critics is deliver, if you get your chips and your miners out there and they'll have nothing to say. If I were looking to buy ASICs in bulk, I'd have serious reservations as it is - and there are a number of very credible competitors out there at this point. If you're acting this way on forums it doesn't instill a lot of confidence in your company at all. Obviously I don't know the history - and clearly it goes back a long way with certain people. But if you come in here and insult people, but then don't answer the pertinent questions people ask it does look bad. Also, I think you should at least try to be more understanding with some of your angry customers. I know delays happen with electronics, and normally it isn't that big of a deal. But if you'd delivered what you promised on time a lot of these people might be rich now. With every day they don't have their product, they see that wealth slipping through their fingers. I have to say I don't really get it. You'll probably want to go back and read previous threads to catch up, then. Lots of people similar to Jackrabiit like to make up lies and misinformation to smear BFL because they like the attention. I'm not here as a BFL rep, so you get my opinion of the post content or the person posting, not BFL's. The signal to noise on this forum is so out of whack, it's completely immaterial what happens here - this subforum is no longer relevant as far as business goes, as there is simply no way to separate the BS from the truth with people like PG, Jackrabiit, et al posting completely false information over and over in an attempt to confuse everyone because I hurt their wittle feewings. So to answer your question, no we do not want to sell miners or chips to people who are more trouble than they are worth as far as customers go. People like Jackrabiit, Xian, Jordan, etc... cost more money to retain as customers than they generate in revenue, so they are a net loss and need to go, go go! I'm very understanding with angry customers. I am not understanding with non-customers who make up false information or even customers who continually lie over and over in an attempt to get others to cancel their orders because they think it will make their orders more valuable, or simply for grins. If you want adult conversation and not a bunch of children bitching and moaning about how sad they are and acting like a bunch of mentally handicapped emo-teens, I suggest the BFL forums, where the riff-raff and trolls are kept at bay fairly well. I'm glad I got the chance to quote this post before its disappearance. Josh said... I'm not here as a BFL rep, so you get my opinion of the post content or the person posting, not BFL's. This is exactly what he meant when he posted under the username BFL_Josh stating that when he posts under that account, it's BFL related, whereupon posting under the username Inaba, it is not BFL related. Therefore, each time from that point forward to today, each time Inaba posted in the capacity of BFL he was in effect lying, for he knew full well that he couldn't do such according to his own omission then, reiterating now. Josh said... The signal to noise on this forum is so out of whack, it's completely immaterial what happens here - this subforum is no longer relevant as far as business goes,... And this, my friends, is where I drew the line, and started to stick it up Josh's and BFL's ass every motherfuckin' time I can. This, and his "monumental assholes" post really gets my goat (apologies to Goat). Here we have not one, but two examples--Josh and BFL--coming to this very forum, humbly introducing themselves, playing nice, then for doing such, start garnering funds in a professional manner. But once the cocksuckers... Let me rephrase that! Once the COCKSUCKERS got a little bit ahead of the game (read financially), they opted to stick it up the very asses of those who were kind enough to order from them. No where else... I repeat... NO MOTHERFUCKIN' WHERE ELSE on the entire internet would they been able to sell even 1% of their services and produces. Only on BitcoinTalk! Later, yes, due to the efforts or a slew of their customer base getting the word out in the wild. Once they received millions--READ MILLIONS--in their once empty coffers, we--READ ALL OF US--were nothing more than MONUMENTAL ASSHOLES. Money left the hands from those who many probably had to do without for a spell and entered the hands of a felon who just got outta prison so that he could then provide handsomely for his wife/girlfriend and new baby. He got his, as Sonny always has in the past made sure that he did, now fuck yous! You'll get your unit if and when they get around to it, and not one second sooner, for he clearly doesn't have any time for monumental assholes. In one of the two posts Sonny was kind enough to provide on this lovely forum, he stated that he's changed. I've yet to see a single instance of that change, in fact I've seen the opposite--the same ol' Sonny operating in exactly the same ol' fashion he did when he fleeced millions from the elderly. It takes one sick bastard to be able to pull that off, and the mind doesn't cure itself while sitting in an Italian jail cell, nor in a US cell with a dick up one's ass. Do you think for one motherfuckin' second Sonny embraced Bitcoin for the betterment of the world, or do you believe he saw an opportunity to once again fleece people, this time mainly geeks, thinking incorrectly that not only do they deserve it, but he could possible get away with it. He saw firsthand what Tom Williams did and couldn't stand it. Sonny Vleisides, the bastard child of James Ray Houston, could do better. All he needed was a team, one easily found on the internet. To this day, Sonny jacks off in rewarding himself in finding Josh. What were the odds that the man-boy he dreamt about hoping to procure was located directly across the street from the address BF Labs Inc. was using in Kansas City? Q couldn't have been able to predict that. In closing, a simple question, Josh: What is your shoe size? |
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quote: "“Now on to shipping. In the ~8 hours I was there I saw 2 people box up and ship out 2 large shipments with well over 100 orders… Notice orders, not Jalapenos, some of those orders had up to 4 Jally’s each in them, and one of the 2 people who were working in the shipping dept was only on her second day working with BFL. Shipping by no means will be a bottleneck, they can box up thousands of orders a day with 6-10 people working a good day I would assume. I saw how MiniRigs are going to be boxed up. They have a machine which basically makes a hard foam pillow of which 4 will be placed surrounding a MR. This foam appeared to be able to form fit once put in place and it hardens. Once everything is boxed up and they have a full rack they can have USPS come pick up a load of boxes and continue packaging more.” – “ Sonny and Josh both confirmed that within ~7 days after giving the order to go full steam ahead to the assembly plant they can receive thousands of units. So it is just a matter of time before we all have nice presents on our door steps. I see no problems with their entire process.”" http://www.coindesk.com/butterfly-labs-ship-first-bitforce-sc-60-bitcoin-miner/quote: "Even then, a traditional datacenter rack can only handle 20,000 watts of power at a time. According to the Butterfly Labs official FAQ, a Mini Rig consumes 2,500 to 2,700 watts of power at any given time. Right now, that datacenter rack comprising of today’s average servers would only be able to handle about six Mini Rigs." http://www.coindesk.com/inside-butterfly-labs-the-asic-bitcoin-mining-arms-race/Josh has the solution to host them miners: I have to agree... as someone considering buying 2 RigBoxs and with 40 BFL Singles on order, it's not like I wouldn't drop the cash for something viable... but this is completely off the scale for payback and I wouldn't even consider purchasing one of these at the current $/MH. This thing is worth no more than $10,000, if that... especially considering that the time frame for delivery is July, as assuming no schedule slips.
You'll never make you $30k investment back from one of these things. Either ASIC takes off and difficulty rises and you're screwed, or difficulty remains the same and block reward halves... you might see a 1/3 bump in value, so your payback stretchs into years. Naw... you'd be crazy to purchase one of these at that price.
RJK: You're datacenter can't handle a power request like that? Ask them about private suites, they can usually handle larger power requests, at least the ones I use. 400 amps for a suite is not uncommon. If you are willing to suck it up on the open floor, you can get 220v drops and pull down 200 amps fairly easily as well. Did the specs on this thing say it was 220v or 120v?
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One of the servers lost power, it should be back up now. It's a chronic problem - I will be moving that server to a new datacenter ASAP.
Grrr
Not a very simple question, for it involves numbers, but...: How many data centers do you have, Josh?  That is one of the datacenters I am hosting rigs locally in.
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Notice orders, not Jalapenos, some of those orders had up to 4 Jally’s each in them I'm glad LabRat made it clear with the above. I understand fully now. Lab_Rat reports that the ASIC chips used in the Bitforce SC 60 devices are not binned. Binning is the process of classifying chips according to their quality. In his visit he saw “8-10″ units being tested, of which only one dropped slightly below the 60 GH/s threshold to 58 GH/s. This was not one of them 5-10 minute tours. This took time and valuable resources. resources better spent by allowing customers to come by if they wish to pick up their unit from BFL in which they were so kind in forwarding funds to help them develop their product line. During the same timeframe, BFL was snapping pics for an eBay listing of a unit that was heading to a data center, but once sold it would be returned to the BFL's facility to be picked up by the lucky eBayer who purchased it. "Even then, a traditional datacenter rack can only handle 20,000 watts of power at a time. According to the Butterfly Labs official FAQ, a Mini Rig consumes 2,500 to 2,700 watts of power at any given time. Right now, that datacenter rack comprising of today’s average servers would only be able to handle about six Mini Rigs." At one time, Josh stated that he was in the process of procuring more floor space at his yet to be named data center. Joe has the whole top floor of the Oak Tower. I'm sure he'll have no problem obtaining another floor. Rumor has it that the backup plan is to host all miners at the following address: 1550 Oxen Lane NE, Burlington, KS, where enough power is not an issue. Simple question time: Josh, how many legs does each work bence have in BFL's assembling room? |
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Did a little digging, coinabul is run out of a house in Cheyenne WY. http://goo.gl/maps/g6psL Gotta wonder about the 321 area code...wait, sat phones all have that area code. Pretty sure this is a scam. Ship just enough orders to have a semblance of credibility, pocket the rest. Or delay orders long enough to turn a major profit when prices shift. Either way, I for one will never use their service again. Good news is, given my line of work it won't be long until I'm in Cheyenne myself. |
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I think that was Bitcoin-24 returning the balance I had in there when they closed. Hey, psy. Please believe me when I say that I'm not accusing any mods/admins of wrongdoings with this thread. It was started to get a serious concern addressed, then morphed somewhat toward IW, not meaning to bring you into the discussion, albeit another poster above felt it was warranted. When I first read the PsyKick post, I didn't even make the connection until you came here and started asking questions. Exactly when did Bitcoin-24 close? The reason I ask is because I thought I saw bitcoins go to them via IW's wallet. |
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
You've been doing this one for a while and I like it I've never got rid of it since I coin it back when the first Bitcoin slogan thread was put up. |
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My friend heard it from a tech guy at his school and texted it to me
I'm not going to believe it till it's been retweeted on Twitter. EDIT: Nevermind! Innerpowerastro @Innerpowerastro
RT“@coindesk: Bitcoin activists propose "Bitcoin 2", a currency that encourages anonymity and discourages regulation http://coinde.sk/1388xnc ”
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Bitcoin has a unique property in it is very easy to generate a macro-economy as demonstrated by the 20 or so new blockchains around now since only about 2-3 months ago all interacting with each other in trade. That got me thinking about the future of cryptographic digital currency in a similar fashion to postulating "What if Detroit switched to Bitcoin?". Obviously the city is now a dead husk of its former self that has finally thrown in the towel, crushed under the weight of crooked politics and banking cartels, it would have nothing to lose by acting out in pure defiance to the FED with such a move.
Thinking further into the future, could we exist in a world someday where each country, city, and possibly even large business entities of sufficient market cap trade in their own unique currencies?
Why would you want to segment currencies like that? It is much more convinient and useful to have a single currency used across wide areas. The more crypto-currencies there are, the more the Crypto Barons will trade in and out of them. "Grandpa, did you build this castle during the Crypto Wars?" |
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How on earth can you not realise you are running low on casing?!!
Do they not perform something as rudimentary as regular inventory stocktaking? Especially after the PSU issue.
That was obviously nonsense he was posting. Everything he posts related to BFL is utter nonsense, so why would you even consider believing anything he says? Not sure what planet you're from, but your statement is false, for not everything I post related to BFL is utter nonsense. Take for instance the many times I've brought up the FCC certification issue of which Josh stated was forthcoming in about two weeks back in last November, 2013. Would you be so kind as to state that that alone is utter nonsense? I'll make it easy for you, thereby all you'll have to do is copy and paste for your next post: The issue that Bruno keeps bringing up pertaining to the FCC and BFL is utter nonsense.I bolded it for you in case your eyes are bad. The following is more utter nonsense from yours truly, a monumental-asshole-at-large: I am really hoping this is real. Grammar and spelling aside the jist of the post rings true for me. The way all ASIC vendors so far have forced the community to shoulder ALL the risk basically is unbelievable for a newb like me! Add to that the absolute trainwrek PR and customer service shown by the current players and I feel like this isn't the real world anymore but some wild west cowboy shoot out!
Hey man, I think you might have a viable lawsuit on your hands if you were forced to purchase something. Did they use a gun or a knife or something? Was your family being held hostage until you ordered? If you were forced into ordering something, it's under duress and you aren't liable for any contract you signed. You should definitely consult a lawyer, I think you have a case! BTW - just out of curiosity, which vendor(s) forced you to order? You sir are a real gem, one of a kind (I can only hope). Are you often ignorant simply for the sake of being ignorant (I think yes!) First of all LOL at lawsuits I am not even sure how you managed to get there from my post but ah OK cool! Perhaps in its literal definition forced was not the perfect word. I guess me assuming that someone reading the post could get the "jist" of it without translating every word literally we're just slightly optimistic? Would you prefer if I said something like The current ASIC vendors have decided to only accept full payment pre-orders thus shifting the burden of risk from themselves to the customer? If you don't want people to take your inflammatory, false/misleading statements at face value, then say what you mean. You have never been forced to order from any ASIC vendor. You have always had the option to wait until the products were available for purchase and shipped to you. Your entire premise is flawed, in so far as the fact that if you pre-ordered, you chose to do so of your own free will. If the risk that you would be bearing is too much, then do not pre-order. There is absolutely zero requirement for you to do so, thus your statements are false. You may not like it, true, but you are free not to participate. Those that are willing to shoulder the risk and those that don't mind the situation will take your place... but there is nothing forcing you to participate at any level. Yes, of course, attacking you... pointing out that your entire statement is false in a semi-humorous way is attacking you. You're the only troll here, sir. Josh's statement above in 20pt bold red font is in reference to what I posted in the OP: Pre-order funds are not held in escrow so if you aren't comfortable with our using your payment to prepare your product, you may order post production units at the standard price of $599 when they become available. Thus, Josh lied below: I wonder if there will still be people saying that Butterflylabs is not a Scam after they fail to ship by 2027.  I guess a year and a few months is not long enough for most folks. I wonder why there are still idiots saying that BFL is a scam now that they've started shipping. I wonder why people are to0 lazy to read the posts explaining why they're scammers. BFL said every month since OCT 2012 that they were on the verge of delivering only to get pre-orders in. The ones that ask for a refund get their money back. Sounds innocent enough right? Well that funds RnD and that is tax free loans at 0% interest. Perpetual pre-order/refund setup while knowing that the products were never going to be delivered until a year+ later and still waiting. Raise prices to scare people from cancelling and after they deliver only a few jalas to get more pre-orders. Too bad you can't figure this shit out. Idiot Just because you repeat the same lies over and over MooC Tals doesn't mean people are going to start believing your lies. But by all means, continue to spam every thread with your fantasies. Note, Josh is referencing the entire post he quoted as a lie, including the one I highlighted in yellow. Further proof that BF Labs Inc. lied about not using any pre-order moneys for the development of their company. Feel free to poke holes in the above, Josh! |
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I am really hoping this is real. Grammar and spelling aside the jist of the post rings true for me. The way all ASIC vendors so far have forced the community to shoulder ALL the risk basically is unbelievable for a newb like me! Add to that the absolute trainwrek PR and customer service shown by the current players and I feel like this isn't the real world anymore but some wild west cowboy shoot out!
Hey man, I think you might have a viable lawsuit on your hands if you were forced to purchase something. Did they use a gun or a knife or something? Was your family being held hostage until you ordered? If you were forced into ordering something, it's under duress and you aren't liable for any contract you signed. You should definitely consult a lawyer, I think you have a case! BTW - just out of curiosity, which vendor(s) forced you to order? You sir are a real gem, one of a kind (I can only hope). Are you often ignorant simply for the sake of being ignorant (I think yes!) First of all LOL at lawsuits I am not even sure how you managed to get there from my post but ah OK cool! Perhaps in its literal definition forced was not the perfect word. I guess me assuming that someone reading the post could get the "jist" of it without translating every word literally we're just slightly optimistic? Would you prefer if I said something like The current ASIC vendors have decided to only accept full payment pre-orders thus shifting the burden of risk from themselves to the customer? If you don't want people to take your inflammatory, false/misleading statements at face value, then say what you mean. You have never been forced to order from any ASIC vendor. You have always had the option to wait until the products were available for purchase and shipped to you. Your entire premise is flawed, in so far as the fact that if you pre-ordered, you chose to do so of your own free will. If the risk that you would be bearing is too much, then do not pre-order. There is absolutely zero requirement for you to do so, thus your statements are false. You may not like it, true, but you are free not to participate. Those that are willing to shoulder the risk and those that don't mind the situation will take your place... but there is nothing forcing you to participate at any level. Yes, of course, attacking you... pointing out that your entire statement is false in a semi-humorous way is attacking you. You're the only troll here, sir. Josh's statement above in 20pt bold red font is in reference to what I posted in the OP: Pre-order funds are not held in escrow so if you aren't comfortable with our using your payment to prepare your product, you may order post production units at the standard price of $599 when they become available. Thus, Josh lied below: I wonder if there will still be people saying that Butterflylabs is not a Scam after they fail to ship by 2027. I guess a year and a few months is not long enough for most folks. I wonder why there are still idiots saying that BFL is a scam now that they've started shipping. I wonder why people are to0 lazy to read the posts explaining why they're scammers. BFL said every month since OCT 2012 that they were on the verge of delivering only to get pre-orders in. The ones that ask for a refund get their money back. Sounds innocent enough right? Well that funds RnD and that is tax free loans at 0% interest. Perpetual pre-order/refund setup while knowing that the products were never going to be delivered until a year+ later and still waiting. Raise prices to scare people from cancelling and after they deliver only a few jalas to get more pre-orders. Too bad you can't figure this shit out. Idiot Just because you repeat the same lies over and over MooC Tals doesn't mean people are going to start believing your lies. But by all means, continue to spam every thread with your fantasies. Note, Josh is referencing the entire post he quoted as a lie, including the one I highlighted in yellow. Further proof that BF Labs Inc. lied about not using any pre-order moneys for the development of their company. Feel free to poke holes in the above, Josh! |
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The above explanations make sense. Thanks to all those who took the time to explain it to me in layman's terms. Now, the only thing that baffles me is why 3,000 BTC moved from the Instawallet Cold Storage wallet was fragmented in such a way that approximately 80% of all those smaller transaction remain untouched since being stored on April 1, 2013, or thereabouts: https://blockchain.info/tx/996b0e98db80b20516313cd32920e7c8093a8a5bf1e1b1887747338a49052ce5I ain't no fool, albeit an argument could be made I was by keeping over 1,123+ BTC in three separate wallets on InstaWallet even though it was advised to not do such, but continued the practise after it was discovered that there might be a flaw in its business model and was led to believe that my funds were secure. If securing ~2,400 BC in ~100 different wallets is their way of protect mine, among others bitcoins, then this thread needed not be penned. But if I recall, Boussac and Davout are on record in stating that the bitcoins are secured in the handful of wallet addresses they submitted--not 100's To be clear, it's the InstaWallet funds I'm discussing here and not BitcoinCentral's, as clearly seen in the BlockChain. |
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How on earth can you not realise you are running low on casing?!!
Do they not perform something as rudimentary as regular inventory stocktaking? Especially after the PSU issue.
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Four large Cokes just sent to the OP's home. I used a coupon, hence the inclusion of the free pizzas. I've already tipped the delivery guy, so just say thank you. Please submit pics of the meal on this forum for our enjoyment.
Also, quit telling us to quit sending pizzas--it only encourages us to continue.
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You sure did cover a lot of Coast to Coast material there. Towards the end, I was expecting to see all this linked to Mel's Hole and Mr. Fidget. |
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Simple question time: Since BFL's original address is still being used on BitPay's site, how and by whom is the mail being collected when delivered to 25 E. 12th Street, Kansas City, MO (zip goes here)?
Bonus simple question: Why was that address used? (apologies for using only 5 words in that simple question)
Definitely not trying to defend this company, as far as i'm concerned they are easily the most inept i've seen, however that address is personal lofts. Maybe it was just someone's apartment? Section 8 housing, hence that was ruled out. Sonny lives on Walnut St. with at his mother's address. Nasser was in France. The other 20 employees had yet to come unto the scene, including Sonny K. A deceased lawyer close to Sonny's brother once occupied that address, though. Maybe Gabe is collecting his mail. |
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Friday, July 26, 2013 Shipping Update
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BFL_Jody
07-27-2013 at 01:19 PM (555 Views)
Jalapenos shipping through Nov. 14, 2012 paydate
Little Singles: None shipped (So maybe next week will be Little Singles Week)
Singles: Shipping June 23, 24, 25, 2012 without PSU's (only 2 orders on June 23 left!)
MiniRigs: None shipped today. Singles without PSU starting to move. Friday, July 27, 2013 Shipping Update
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BFL_Jody
07-27-2013 at 01:19 AM (4 Views)
The warehouse just called and woke me up to say that they ran out of covers for the all the units. Since somebody on BT shown proof that the units perform better without covers, feel free to request your miners sans covers, thus allowing you to receive your money making machine more quickly.
Comments on!
Friday, July 27, 2013 Shipping Update
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BFL_Jody
07-27-2013 at 09:17 AM (400 Views)
Due to the overwhelming response, all units will not be sent sans covers to expedite the shipping of units.
Josh has informed me that a nontransferable 10% voucher will be sent to all those receiving such units. The three-step redemption process will be pretty straightforward, with the normal expiration date of 30 days.
Now, if you excuse me, I have eggs to collect.
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The big take-away, is (for the umteenth time) if you give someone the ability to take your money, there is every possibility that they will do so. In Bitcoin-land it is a near certainty.
We can see that you keep going with your endless, paranoid, calomnious ranting even though you have been paid back in full. Why do you linger in bitcoinland then ? Why don't you tvbcof travel off to your paracoinland (Note: paracoin, strangely an anagram for paranoic, is tvbcof brainfart )? Boussac serves tybcof. tvbcof leaves.  |
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Selling my queue positions #1, #9 and #14 for the xAU (xEnergy Array Unit). Since I'm a reputable member on this forum to everybody but Josh, you can believe I possess such queue positions, as in the same spirit as xEnergyLabs is a viable entity because they have a brand new Drupal site on the internet.
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