If we're talking about about lows, what do you consider to be a low price?
Are these lows sub 15k? Only some youtube speculators still wait for it to happen.
Are these lows sub 20k? With enough bad news that's still possible, but not very likely.
Are these lows between 20 and 23k? That's more likely, but not concerning.

I don't care about the short term, and the future in 2024 looks bright. If blackrock's ETH gets approved in the next 3 months we might go to 40k in an instant. I don't expect new highs before the halving, but I'm sure we'll be at much higher prices at this time next year.

I don't know where you're getting these numbers from. First you claimed that between 100 or 200 F-16s would not change anything for Ukraine, now you say they had more of their own jets before the war...

Ukraine had around 100 fighter jets total before the war (of various types) which included less than 70 MiG-29, so getting even 100 F-16s would be a greater firepower than they ever had in store.


Especially the ones that had a Russian bomb dropped on their city by mistake, or those who are in fear of getting drafted, or those whose family members were drafted and sent to Ukraine...
Don't forget about the families of those who died. Maybe they don't care because they got a Lada, or the government officials paid their respects by baking them a cake.
I'm guessing you can sleep well because you don't live in or near Belgorod, or in Kursk where those warehouses blew up.

I've read an article about the behavioral differences between men and women and one of the points why it's said that women live longer is that their most basic social role was to take care of children and create warm safe environment for the family. A women's role was to be careful, as she wasn't as strong as a man, while he was to provide food, secure new areas of land, new hunting grounds, fight off danger.
Therefore a man is made to try new things, compete, even at the cost of sustaining some damage, physical and mental. We, men, will die trying, but a woman knows if she's gone the child may not survive, so she'll naturally want to play it safe. For this reason you see men racing cars just to prove a point, while women scream at them to calm down.

On one hand Diaz is fast, at least he used to be fast. Haven't seen him box but I watched some of his MMA fights. That said, McGregor was outboxing him in his prime, so I don't know...
I remember a few fights where Nate would start standing, trying to box, then get cut fast and start going for takedowns. The problem is this time there will be no going for the legs.

One thing is certain, both these guys are some extreme characters, you either love them or hate them, the way that if they were arguing about some stupid shit I wouldn't know which one to back because they both can act like assholes.

This is a bit childish, like you're trying to convince yourself that everything is going to be fine.
If you need assurance, you've invested too much in this.

Have you ever thought how many of us approach this so that we're completely calm and don't even need to check the price? We either invest so little that it doesn't matter, or we're so far in profit that it's basically impossible to be at a loss ever again. I check charts from time to time, see bitcoin up or down by 10% and don't even care. The only thing that makes me angry is bitcoin being involved in this strange war of the US vs shitcoins and all that it's going to lead to is US being left behind by all the crypto companies and deprived of tax money that it could've had.

Bitcoin is going to be here in 2024 and in 2025. All that will change is the places where people will mine, buy and spend their coins. You can be in or out, but bitcoin will be there with or without you.

Staking money or items of value for a chance to win a prize is gambling. If you gamble without money, with points, the way children sometimes do at parties, it's not gambling, but you're mixing two different things here.

As another user pointed out:


We have to put a clear line between lotteries where you gamble with something that you get for free like store points given to you when you spend a certain amount of money and real gambling where you buy a ticket with your money that you could've spent elsewhere.

I had the same idea. I thought he'd cite some pseudoscientific article claiming that gamblers become deaf.

It's like OP is trying to take one of the old topics and add a twist to it so it doesn't look the same because we've already had a number of articles asking why gamblers don't want to change, but this is the first time that I see someone ask why they don't listen to advice and come to a conclusion that they could be deaf

They don't listen for the same reason why a drunkard keeps drinking even though he's at the bottom, sleeping in a park.

Yes, if. You started to speculate here that it would not change a thing. The thing is, it would.
They aren't probably going to get this much but it would make a difference and I hope they will get it and push Russians outside their borders.
If Ukraine were to do enough damage to make them run back to Russia I'm sure it would make life easier for everybody, even the average Russian who goes to work and watches TV every day hoping for the war to finally end. Since Putin doesn't want to end it, somebody else has to end it for him.


I'll tell you how Russians will react to this:
First link is US, so it's a lie because US is clearly anti-Russian, so it's fake news.
The second link is from another NATO country so obviously they will blame Russia because they're on Ukraine's side.
In the third link they're saying destroying a dam was a mistake, but maybe they mean a Ukrainian mistake
Still no evidence against Russia.

It depends on the amount but I probably wouldn't be able to quit. If the amount was high, but not high enough to change my life, like $100k, I'd keep playing thinking that's not a big deal, many people win 100k... If the amount was really high like a million or more, I'd think that I have enough to not care about a loss.

As you can see in both situations I'd keep gambling and I think that most of us would because having big money only makes you more confident. 

Nice, good for you.

Anyway, here's a video showing how Ukrainians are flushing rats from under a tank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlE8g-hJlfM


200 fighter jets would not change anything? Since the beginning of the war Russia has lost over 300 planes. Obviously if Ukraine were to get 200 it would have complete air superiority, provided they'd have enough pilots to fly them.

I don't agree with this at all. What does having money has to do with owning bitcoin? You don't need money to get it and this forum is a perfect example to support this claim.

What age children are we talking about? I have a little girl that cares about going for a walk in the woods, playing with her dolls, chasing our cats around the house and things of this sort. I'm not going to teach her about bitcoin yet. When she's 10, I'll be trying to get her to know bitcoin, that's for sure. I don't think she'll be stressed by that any more than playing chess or reading a book would stress her.

Bottom line, if your kid is smart enough to learn how to use a phone and use the Internet, he or she isn't going to be stressed by bitcoin.

No negativity mate, I can simply recognize when someone is full of shit and trying to put the blame for his own actions onto someone else.
If you look at the posts on the previous page, they were mostly talking about You, not Fil. About your votes being added on the last day by new accounts made on that same day.
Then you come and say that although Fil is a friend, you will point a finger at him, because his votes are suspicious too.
Don't you find this to be childish and pathetic? I sure do.

Anyway, looks like we're sticking with the story of: I made 10 of my friends who never had discord register and vote for me on the last day, so I could win...
Congratulations on your well deserved first place. I'm done here.


All the best to you too.

You should've done that long ago.
If this crisis makes people worried about the safety of their funds and learn about self-custody it's all for the better.

I see a lot of positive aspects in this. First of all this is going to put a pressure on Binance. Stress test it so that we'll finally, in Buffett's words, se who's swimming naked.
Then there's the issue of Binance's insider trading and commingling of funds, which shouldn't be happening. They were too full of themselves and playing with fire, until they got burned, so if that makes them lose money on lawyers and fines, it's fine by me.
Finally, we have the issue of regulation in the US. The fact is, crypto regulation doesn't exist yet, but Gensler is trying to make exchanges look worse than they really are and working outside the law. A great example of this is comparing Coinbase to Binance, when Coinbase was being audited and it wasn't doing any insider trading and commingling of funds.
Armstrong said they're ready to go to court, and IMO this is going to take many years, so the SEC will have another chair by the time we see a verdict.

Correct, as pointed out earlier in the thread by another user:



Dude, are you trying to sidetrack the conversation?
The accounts you've listed as proof of suspicious behavior were at least made BEFORE the 10th of June.

You're saying that Fillippone's votes are suspicious because the voters registered in 2022, while some of your voters did that on June 10 2023, the last day of voting.

Let's stop ignoring the elephant in the room and ask you a direct question that we'd all like to know the answer to.
Did you create accounts that came to vote for you on June 10?
(Esiliato, Pone, suca, Puppa, FrancescoM, Tony, Francuzzo, PippoFranco, Ciccio, Ingrassia)

I'll tell you who should be tagged red. Account sellers.



Like yours?


A warning to whoever thinks this is a legit offer. OP doesn't want to make a deal with you on the forum and wants to talk via telegram. You'll probably be invited to a private group where you'll be asked to pump shitcoins or advertise ponzi schemes. That's why he doesn't want to leave a trace here on the forum. They may also want to scam you by making you do a job for free.

Or it's this:

A himars hit that occurred more than 6 months ago is not a direct evidence against Ukraine. You don't seem to know what a direct evidence is, so I'll help you with that.
When someone gets murdered and that person was attacked some time before, this is not direct evidence against that former attacker. The fact that he tried to do it a year before doesn't mean he did it again and succeeded. A direct evidence would be if you had a murder weapon with his fingerprints or you'd found victims blood on his clothes.

That hit in 2022, or any other existing plans for it did not blow up the dam. Planted explosive devices did. Ukraine doesn't have a single missile capable of such destruction. It would require multiple hits to level the dam and there's evidence for a single explosion.


It used to be direct evidence and now it's more than zero. Your confidence seems to be decreasing with time.
Again, a test hit 6 months ago is not an evidence against Ukraine.

I'd expect something better than an article from 2022.
I guess they're now equipping himars launchers with delayed fuse that explodes 6 months later. This reads like a story straight from kp.ru


It must be going well for the Ukrainians if Russians are blowing up dams and drowning their own soldiers in the process, trying to stop it.

It's never going to happen the way you describe it because of the following reasons:
1. All countries cannot even agree what the age of consent is, if jihadists are terrorists or not, if Russia should be condemned for starting a war, if drugs should be banned, capital punishment, abortion...
If they can't speak with one voice in these terms they will never agree in softer topics like bitcoin, that isn't killing anyone but enabling freedom and banking the unbanked.

2. There are already countries where bitcoin is accepted and regulated and the right to own bitcoin and mine is protected by law, so even the rest of the world turns against it, there will always be places where it's allowed.

Let's say it would get banned in 100% of the world, which is impossible, but let's imagine that it for a moment. It would go to the underground, like torrents and dark web markets. It wouldn't die but it would become hard to get and would lose most of its trading volume and take a price hit, but it would still be there waiting for better days.

I hold my coins and avoid any exchanges or lending platforms. I used to feel like it's important to keep generating bitcoin by constantly putting it at risk: trading it, gambling, lending, investing in shitcoins, now I know better.

Having a lot of wealth stored in bitcoin also helps to make a decision because the more you have the less you feel like risking it. Spend time reading posts by newbies here and you'll see that they all want to make money fast and are willing to risk it all. Long time users, people who were here for 10 years will almost never do that. All of them will tell you to stay calm and hold bitcoin, maybe with some occasional trades if you feel like it.

Shelling with what? Confirmed by what sources? Russian?
AFAIK there are even reports from seismic watchers in Norway that there was an explosion at the dam, not shelling. US satellites confirmed the information with infrared sensors that detected a single explosion.
Also, according to reports from Ukraine the dam was rigged with explosives some time ago, long before the counteroffensive. This is consistent with the way Russians operate. They did the same in Zaporizhzhia power plant and almost blew it up when one of their mines exploded unintentionally near one of the buildings.

It's actually funny when you think of how Russians are bad at warfare. Digging trenches in irradiated soil of the Red Forest is probably their best achievement to date, but there were others.

One Russian soldier has reportedly been killed and another left injured after they were tricked into running into a house containing their own army's landmines by a Ukrainian prank call
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-soldiers-blown-up-mine-27872198

According to some reports, a landing craft of the Black Sea Fleet D-106 is reported to have exploded when it hit one of the Russian navy’s own mines near Mariupol, the southern Ukrainian port city that Russia’s troops destroyed and now occupy.
https://defence-blog.com/russian-landing-craft-sinks-after-hitting-sea-mine/

In a video posted on Prigozhin’s social media channels, Lt Col Roman Venevitin, the commander of Russia’s 72nd Brigade, tells an interrogator that, while drunk, he had ordered his troops to fire on a Wagner convoy.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/05/wagner-group-release-video-of-captured-russian-commander