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821  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is bitcoin bearish or bullish on: September 15, 2019, 08:48:23 PM
The tide is changing and we are turning bullish.
822  Economy / Speculation / Re: [2019-09-12] Bobby Lee Suddenly Makes $200,000 BTC Price Prediction on: September 15, 2019, 04:36:06 PM
Good point, I believe people who do not have the technical know how, would like an intermediate party to help them and guarantee the safety of their money.

Yeah, there's a lot of consumer rationale that explains why custodial services are so popular but for me the main thing simply is that people are accustomed online now to have a fallback plan to recover a lost password or account. The internet taught us to have passwords, but it also made a way for you to recover them. It needs people to switch to the proper mentality first, and for them to do that, they have to understand the new paradigm of money (or ironically, the original paradigm), which is that you should own your own money, and that means you and only you should have access to it.

The new paradigm you talk about is anarchy. Can't wait for them to steal your money and spit on you alongside the road, maybe then you will regret your stance. You beg the government for aid but nobody is paying tax so the gouvernement is broke in you are shit out of luck.

If you want to turn this world into a ghetto or have everyday of your life look like "the purge" or "mad max" you've got a plan. Society as you know it would crumble... Enough movies illustrate that.

Bitcoin is a great system and could be the heart of the monetary system however it needs to be adopted and encapsulated. Or just leave it as cash money. It is NOT a rip and replace for the current system even if that system is crap as well...

That's my 2cts and am interested in how society with monetary anarchy could work... Smiley
823  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 15, 2019, 04:06:43 PM

1st question.... who the phuk is Ben Baller (yes, I'm living in a nutshell & can't be bothered to google atm)
Sounds like some sort of porn movie pseudonym.

2nd question... Well now, if he bought 300BTC @$700 and sold @$1000  (yes, I'm assuming), he profited 90k ...what's the phukking problem?....
...He didn't know BTC would go to ridiculous value??....Welcome to the club of normality!

 (yes, I know, I know, he didn't hodel... silly wabbit!  Wink)

He got hit by greed. If bitcoin went to $12 he would be shouting that he is the boss and did the right thing.
What's stopping him for investing that $210000 back into bitcoin for the run up to $1M  Huh
824  Economy / Speculation / Re: Day Trading for a Living? on: September 15, 2019, 04:02:29 PM
It is true that most lose. An exchange told me it was more like 89%. But then again winning some and making a living is a big difference...
The thing is that it is a probability game that goes against your gut instinct.
Want to make money sell TA  Wink
825  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 15, 2019, 03:59:39 PM
via Imgflip Meme Generator

Boredom breaker where is this what is this what are we doing Cheesy

Looks like water treatment, sewage treatment.
No sewage in the system so either repairs or demolition.
Could possibly be reused for fish cultivation.
826  Economy / Speculation / Re: [2019-09-12] Bobby Lee Suddenly Makes $200,000 BTC Price Prediction on: September 15, 2019, 06:29:26 AM
I don't know this guy but his hardware wallet is yelling "SCAM"!

From the article in coin desk (https://www.coindesk.com/early-bitcoin-entrepreneur-returns-with-a-crypto-hardware-wallet-for-the-masses)
"On each wallet, beneath the QR code, there is a string of printed encryption code"
So they basically give you a pre-issued private key which is probably locked for the sake of "simplicity" and which they can very easily have copies of in their servers.

I suppose that his plans are as following,
  • Release a compromised hardware wallet in a very low price
  • Call a random huge target for Bitcoin in order to get people's attention
  • People who noticed will google for the name "Bobby Lee" and they'll find out about a new hardware wallet which is very cheap
  • Some will buy this wallet and store their coins in
  • When he has sold enough and the BTC price goes higher, he uses the private keys he has stored, steals the coins and pulls an "oops, we got hacked"

Technically though, I suppose this wouldn't be a steal... since the private keys were his from the start and people decide to store money on HIS keys! Roll Eyes

I need to bookmark this post of mine and lol about it when this comes true in a year or two!


You've just summarized how all this "hacking" in exchanges go.

But most people prefer that way. They dont want to have responsibility over their own money. Thats why I dont believe bitcoin will destroy the banking system. Banks oppose it only because they are run by boomers.

I like to think that if you dont have your own private keys, then you are still a nocoiner. This people who keep all their bitcoin in exchanges, and dont have their own wallets? Nocoiners, all of them.

Good point, I believe people who do not have the technical know how, would like an intermediate party to help them and guarantee the safety of their money. And yes these parties need to be checked by the authority. Basically it’s what we call a bank.

And you probably use a bank? I don’t consider you any less of a human because you don’t have a vault in your house with all of your money/gold stacked. Apparently you trust banks with your money even though they could screw you over anytime/any day.

Do you read every line of code for all bitcoin apps and the bitcoin client, online bitaddress wallet generator? NO?... there could be malicious code in there too... and yes backdoor keys are possible.

This is why I think bitcoin will always remain a cash system. It’s like money you carry on you.
For banks bitcoin could be gold.
Any party wanting to store your bitcoin would need to be checked and covered by insurance.
I do not think bitcoin should replace everything. This would create anarchy and if you lose your keys your a dead (wo)man.
827  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin will reach $100k within 5 years from now on: September 14, 2019, 04:10:12 PM
5 years ? With huge mass adaption of bitcoin i think after  2 to 3 years price could be more than $100k and also insert the upcoming halving it will help bitcoin price to increase
So tell me what you think would be responsible for the mass adoption of bitcoin within the short period of time that you have speculated? The level of adoption is still very low, and government is yet to regulate the cryptocurrency space. ICo that would have encouraged investors are discouraging them and scaring them away from the cryptocurrency space generally, the last ATH that people invested in is still yet to be hit and the moment bitcoin climbs to $20k, the bears will surely come in because some of them had their investment locked up in that figure you see there.

So that 2 years to me is not a reasonable one, I think the 5 years of op is more reasonable because by then, the cryptocurrency space would have grown large and many governments would have probably regulated it.

$100k could be hit next year. $50k will get hit  Cool
828  Economy / Speculation / Re: What is the bitcoin price prediction for 2020? on: September 14, 2019, 04:06:31 PM
I don't know when that famous increase will happen though, everyone has been talking about how the price will go up before the 2020 halving but we have been here for months on the same price. Will it go up early in 2020, will it go up just a month before the halving, will it go up AFTER the halving? I don't know what will happen with it.

I am starting to think that bitcoin may not even go up incredibly much in the halving period, like no moves at all type of deal. Maybe it will move 10%-20% up but I am not expecting x2-x3 like some of the other people have been expecting.

Let's be honest here, if all of us are expecting x2 in less than a year, then why don't we buy as much as we can? Why isn't there people trying to grab as much bitcoins as they can all around the world right now? If you tell people they will double their money in 10 months they will kill people for it. Yet the price stays same, which means not even us people who support bitcoin believe that x2 anymore.

Don't underestimate bitcoin. December 2017 it could going up $1000 in an hour.... If you went to bed and woke up the price could be $3000 higher.

Greed, raw greed is what will drive this pump. What we know as "the FOMO".
829  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 14, 2019, 04:01:25 PM
CME’s BTC Index Provider CF Benchmarks Wins EU License

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CF Benchmarks, CME Group’s Bitcoin (BTC) index provider, received a benchmark license under the European Benchmarks Regulation (EU BMR).

On Sept. 13, CF Benchmarks’ official Twitter account announced that the firm received its license from the United Kingdom’s Financial Conduct Authority (FCA). In the tweet, the firm also claims to be the first cryptocurrency index provider to reach this goal:

“CF Benchmarks is the first #crypto index provider to receive EU BMR authorisation from [the FCA].”

https://cointelegraph.com/news/cmes-btc-index-provider-cf-benchmarks-wins-eu-license

Correct me if I'm wrong but this is a stable indicator that they need in order to set a futures market that is considered safe enough for the mainstream? This institutionalized jargon they wrap up whether the average person is capable of making his own decisions is intentionally obfuscated and i can't keep up nor remember the intricacies.



What's the difference between a rooster and a lawyer?

A rooster clucks defiance while a lawyer...
_____



This took me waaayyy too long to figure out ....

Me too and whats even worse is I know i have heard it before and just forgot the punchline! Smiley

It's not for plebs.

Ohh Snap! Lol

Ballet - The World’s First Multicurrency, Non-electronic Hardware Wallet.

Complete with scratch off private key.  Erm lol thanks Bobby Lee. 




https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/balletcrypto/ballet-cryptocurrency-hardware-wallet


Sounded and looked really cool until I started thinking of a few things.
1) Backing it up without exposing the private scratch off
2) If pre-generated then how do they prove they didn't keep a list of private keys?
3) If I can't back it up then I can use it for Cold storage right?

But
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PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS WALLET IS NOT FIRE PROOF. DO NOT EXPOSE THE WALLET TO FIRE OR ANY OTHER CORROSIVE AGENTS.

So how am I supposed to use this, like a normal only keep chump change in it use case?
The kickstarter page mentions bitcointalk as a place to bid on the auction for the first few low digit serial numbers so do you have a link?



~snip

I prefer offtopic talking about precious metals or dirty fiat, but please, take the Bcash talk to another place.

I prefer rocket/train memes and cleavage  Grin

 Mmmm... cleavage




Thats a gash. Tongue




 This is a gash  Grin
^^^
Not THAT if Fucking Hilarious! Smiley
Literally guffawed on that one!

That dude on the right is looking at it with his hands in his pockets thinking "I thought I had seen it all, a fuckhead getting stuck in a sculpture?, I seriously need another job"
830  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 13, 2019, 05:29:43 PM
You can't mine just 1 bitcoin for $6k. You could try. Otherwise, the price is indeed determined solely by traders. Some miners are also traders. Some miners are not.

You can if your energy is free
831  Economy / Speculation / Re: What year will Bitcoin reach $250,000? on: September 13, 2019, 11:05:14 AM
If you look at the jumps Bitcoin makes percentage wise then 500%-2000% is realistic for the next jump.
So that's $80k to $360k.... If we have a bad jump we will have $80k...
Also the halving basically guaranteed $38k....
$25k is unrealistically low and is highly unlikely. To me your math don't add up.

That's my opinion as well, but it all depends what theory of markets you cater to. Not everyone expects past performance to guarantee future results. In Elliott Wave theory, Wave 3 is usually the strongest, and Wave 5 tends towards certain fib extension levels. That's why xxxx123abcxxxx is only expecting $30K or so, or really anything beyond the 2017 high. He's been spot on with his last few calls, so maybe there's something to it.

I can follow the reasoning in this too. But $20k is just too low...
832  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 12, 2019, 10:48:41 PM
Buckle up.

$100k in May/2020 is confirmed.
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BLX/sia9pOig-Bitcoin-Buckle-Up/

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I am expecting Bitcoin to break all-time highs for the first time in advance of the Halving. The Stock to flow model which I discussed last week, which i have illustrated on the chart and i recommend that you review (see @100trillionUSD on twitter ) implies that Bitcoin will be worth around $100k from May 2020. It has been the best valuation model for Bitcoin to date.
$100k in May 2020 ? After the Halving it could be but not before  Grin

filbfilb doesn't agree.  Grin

filbfilb "Q4 2019 and Q1 2020 will blow your mind"

Nope..mind blown since 2013. I hope that he means in a good way, though.

Is it me or should the curve touch 3 peaks? The third peak they drew themselves so that one doesn’t count.

Anyway we will get there :-)
833  Economy / Speculation / Re: What year will Bitcoin reach $250,000? on: September 12, 2019, 07:45:48 PM
my wild guess in 2021.

in terms of fractals, the current chart looks like early 2016 to me. that suggests the next bubble top is 1.5-2 years away, and i think $250k is very possible in the next cycle.
I believe 2021 as well.

Really? you expect such a rise coming true in 2 years?
This increase is just crazy... I don't think it will ever happen apart from the fact, a war happens and people start buying bitcoin in order to store the value of their money.

Your account date tells me you have never seen bitcoin pump.
Once raw greed gets unleashed, bitcoin turns into a global black friday sale, and it explodes.
The last pumps were unreal, however due to the increase of bitcoin, those pumps are a blip on the current chart.
834  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 12, 2019, 07:34:05 PM
People underestimate how quickly Bitcoin will go from $20k to $50k and then $100k.

Most of the new people have never seen a full bull market. They have no idea how much Bitcoin will pump once it really gets going!

https://twitter.com/btc_macro/status/1172129478048243712?s=21


^
Keep it coming Cheesy

The zest of it....  Grin

835  Economy / Speculation / Re: What year will Bitcoin reach $250,000? on: September 12, 2019, 06:59:00 PM
my wild guess in 2021.

in terms of fractals, the current chart looks like early 2016 to me. that suggests the next bubble top is 1.5-2 years away, and i think $250k is very possible in the next cycle.
I believe 2021 as well.

I just hope you guys are right. Waiting for the next bubble sucks Cheesy
Sorry but I feel the hopes and speculations of many people are quite childish, agree that the value of bitcoin can pump quickly and surpass many calculated brains but somewhere, it always needs real limits and prices that bitcoin can reach. $20k or $25k is a number that  I and many people will have no objections, however, $250k is a huge number, it breaks all the rules and the limited calculations, the market and many big investors will not accept this price when it can create huge war on dumping.

Ok perspective (rough numbers)

2010 - $0.08
2011 - $1.00
2012 - $260
2013 - $1200
2014 - $700
2015 - $500
2016 - $750
2017 - $19000

If you look at the jumps Bitcoin makes percentage wise then 500%-2000% is realistic for the next jump.
So that's $80k to $360k.... If we have a bad jump we will have $80k...
Also the halving basically guaranteed $38k....

$25k is unrealistically low and is highly unlikely. To me your math don't add up.
836  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 12, 2019, 03:42:23 PM
Nice pump ... hope we get to escape velocity Grin

837  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 11, 2019, 06:37:47 PM
I prefer offtopic talking about precious metals or dirty fiat, but please, take the Bcash talk to another place.

WTF is bcash  Grin
838  Economy / Speculation / Re: We are about to hit 8K and below...soon (see charts) on: September 11, 2019, 05:22:27 PM
Forget about the chart, we will not again hit $8K anymore, the growth is good for now and we are stable at $10,000, probably that would be the least price we will see before the end of the year. There are some down trend, it's expected but I never saw in the past months that there are signs we will be bearish and go back to that price again.

Anyway, just like you ,it's just my opinion based my analysis, so I'm just hoping that you are wrong with your prediction.
I'm a little worried about it since the price of Bitcoin is starting to decrease each day and now it stop at $10,000. But if the price keep decreasing each day, the possibility of reaching $8,000 again is not impossible. How long does the market would act like this? Instead of breaking new resistance it's keeping its stable price between $10,000 and $11,000.

This has all happened before.

My view is that
- People selling are getting out.
- People buying are invested in this price.
- bitcoin fundamentals are still ok.

It's a waiting game for the loose hands to leave and we go up again...
839  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 11, 2019, 05:16:39 PM
Almost in the green. Have more endurance dear hodlers.



https://twitter.com/100trillionUSD/status/1171448643762524160

Cool!
Get your last buys in over the next couple of months guys before it gets too expensive Smiley

If we are here to observe, i´ll do it..

I observe more blue each period.. more blue dots, and with a higher slope
I observe green and yellow dots having lesser slope..
and i observe less red dots each period..

so, my l33t TA skillz tell me to join the peaks and... hmm.. expect a 2000% by 2021 ?

Thats the best i can do. I just got meal and my stomach is having all the blood. My brain is idling.



So $200k.... I'm OK with that...
840  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 11, 2019, 05:15:15 PM
<snip>

Totaling at something like $7M to $20M a year ....

So it's not as bad as you think....  Wink

You say that maintenance is not expensive  Cheesy, I prefer not to think about the amount of BTC you have. Cool

My stack is significant... but won't let me buy a ship like that .... yet Tongue

Anyone buying a ship like that is going to be attempting to generate some income from it too, right?  I mean if you want the ship to be sustainable?  Can you really imagine that you are going on trips and the ship only has staff or maybe just a 100 guests or so?  It would feel nearly empty with those kinds of numbers of passengers, so I am having some difficulties understanding a personal use case... gotta be a kind of business boat, no?

Another scenario would be that the purchaser has ONLY a short time to live or something like that, but just making sure that the management of the boat staff is not engaging in shenanigans would take a decent amount of time to make sure that you have a good manager, if you don't want to manage it yourself - which would be kind of time-consuming, I would think.  

So, at minimum, I think that anyone, even remotely interested in getting a boat like that better have at least 5x the yearly maintenance capital (left over after making the purchase of the yacht and the helicopter... hahahaha)....

So, if we are saying minimum of $250million in BTC value, then at today's prices that would be about 25,000 bitcoins, and if the BTC price goes to $100k, then that would be 2,500 bitcoin, and if the BTC price goes to $1million, then that would be a mere 250 BTC.  Do we have to both  make sure that we have 250BTC and wait for the BTC price goes to $1million?  By the way, with my recommendations about selling a bit of BTC all the way up the ladder, then I am thinking that in order to have around 250 BTC when (or if) BTC prices reach $1million, then today, the HODLer would need to have about 330 BTC to account for the on-the-way shavenings.  


TLDR (for Hueristic and udder peeps like dat):  In other words, in order to have BIG ASS dreams, you better be preparing ur lil selfie, and have enough of a BTC stash in order to accomplish such BIG ASS dreams without putting your finances and/or psychology in any kind of unnecessary state of stress.  You heard it here, first.  Wink    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

If you buy a ship like this you can occasionally rent it out. They go for $425,000 a week so rent it out 10-20 weeks a year and your running costs are zero.

I think you would need to be a billionaire to do something like this.
So if you hold 1 BTC you need to wait 10 years  Grin

If anyone gets a ship like that don't forget to host a WO party 🤪😇
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